Paris Riots

[Calm2Chaos]

Oh you must be referring to WW2. Yeah of course the French Government surrendered, that must mean they always surrender. Some people are so ignorant that they rely of stereotypes to classify people. It's like me calling every American fat, its a stereotype, but i doubt every American is fat but according to your logic it must be true.

If you remember during WW2 even though the French government surrendered, the French people fought on when they could. The US and UK owed alot to French Resistance Intelligence to stage bombings and the invasion of Normandy.

I can't stand the ignorance of some people.

Yes every American is fat. Thats how we keep our economy moving and our McDonalds open. The ones that aren't fat will be fat... Except for Kelzie of course.. She's a vegan I belive and well there are no real Fattening shrubbery out there.

I am sure the US and UK owe a ton to the french for helping the our soldiers, dying in the liberation of there country. There's no love loss between the US and the french, yet I am ignorant. But when they deface cemetarys of these soldiers with slogans like "Death to Yankees". Or telling us to remove our garbage from there soil....

Comon.. gimmie a break with your attempt at moral superiority. And If you can't stand my ignorance or put up with a little sarcasim then TOUGH SH IT. If the french can't handle it then maybe they should go Drink a little wine eat a little cheese and devise and exit strategy from were ever they are sitting...

 

[epr64]

But when they deface cemetarys of these soldiers with slogans like "Death to Yankees". Or telling us to remove our garbage from there soil.... .

That would mean that this site represents what all americans think..

I know a LOT of american people outraged by this. Not you, of course. But who cares? You NEED an ennemy to be alive. Is it because your life is worthless without hatred to be spilled?

Try understanding people before judging them.. and NEVER try to globalise judgements.

I hope you can do this. Otherwise, as far as "DEBATE poltics" is concerned..

Y

 

[MSgt]

Oh you must be referring to WW2. Yeah of course the French Government surrendered, that must mean they always surrender. Some people are so ignorant that they rely of stereotypes to classify people. It's like me calling every American fat, its a stereotype, but i doubt every American is fat but according to your logic it must be true.

If you remember during WW2 even though the French government surrendered, the French people fought on when they could. The US and UK owed alot to French Resistance Intelligence to stage bombings and the invasion of Normandy.

I can't stand the ignorance of some people.

1) Gallic Wars (58BC to 51BC) - In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

2) The " Hundred Year War " against England, between 1337 to 1453, included disasters such as the king of France (Jean le Bon) being kept prisoner in London for years, another king (Charles VI) becoming crazy, a terrible defeat in Azincourt (1415) but, finally, came Jeanne d'Arc (1429) and the final victory.

3) Italian Wars ( A series of wars between 1494-1559)- France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

4) Wars of Religion (1562 and lasted until the Edict of Nantes in 1598) - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

5) The Thirty Years War consisted of a series of declared and undeclared wars which raged through the years 1618-1648 throughout central Europe. France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway.

6) The War of Devolution (May 24, 1667 – May 2, 1668) was a tie in which France invaded Spain. Thus the Triple Alliance was formed in January 1668, joining the Netherlands, England, and Sweden. They issued a decree granting Louis the territory he had demanded at the start of the war, but warned that if the French continued their offensive beyond those lines the three would join the Spanish in repelling them. French troops under the skilful Prince de Condé (the "Grand Condé") swiftly occupied Franche-Comté in February, but then, with his troops ranged across a long possible front, ill positioned to resist the Triple Alliance, Louis agreed to their demands.

7) The Dutch War - Tied

8) The French and Indian War was a profoundly significant victory....for the Brits although claimed as a tie by the French. Without Quebec, Montreal is isolated. Surrounded by British armies, the commander of the city surrenders in September 1760. The whole of French Canada is now in British hands - a state of affairs confirmed in the Paris peace treaty of 1763.

- BREAK - That's three ties in a row (6-8), which induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

9) War of the Spanish Succession (1701–1714) was a major European armed conflict that arose in 1701 after the death of the last Spanish Habsburg king. France began to expand their territories more aggressively, but in the end lost it all to other countries that were doing the same.

10) American Revolution (1775–1783) - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

11) French Revolution (1789-1799) - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

12) After Waterloo (June 18, 1815), France was crushed by a large coalition, Paris occupied, Napoleon exiled ; in spite of the huge losses of 20 years of wars, the country recovered in a few years.

13) The Franco-Prussian War (July 19, 1870 – May 10, 1871) - The lost war against Prussia in 1870, with two provinces (Alsace and Lorraine) annexed by Germany and a huge indemnity to pay but, finally, " la Belle Epoque " and decades of prosperity and creation.

14) World War I (1914 to 1918) - On the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

15) The defeat in 1940 and more than four years of occupation, the country deeply humiliated and severely destroyed but, finally, " les Trentes Glorieuses " (the Thirty Prosperous) (1950-1980) with the spectacular modernization of the French society and economy and the country catching up with its time under the presidency of de Gaulle.

16) Dien Bien Phu, Vietnam, 8 May 1954. General de Castries surrenders to the Viet Minh. But in their defense, while not surrendering, even America left without a victory later on.

17) Algerian Rebellion (1954-1962) - Lost. This Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare: "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

18) War on Terrorism - So far, any effort has been as minimum as it has been appeasing. The riots in France are merely the beginning. Their failures to recognize the global clash of civilizations between the west and the Muslim world is now burning their cities. The rioters have been shouting "Allahu akbar" as they spread violence throughout. The rioters have thrown Molotov cocktails at two French synagogues, making it likely that they subscribe to the deeply rooted hatred of Jews that so many jihadists share. They have also set two churches on fire, further reinforcing the impression that they view their struggle as fundamentally religious, and consider the terrorizing of Jews and Christians to be part of their religious responsibility, in accord with Qur’an 9:29. All the while as the violence becomes more and more to the definitions of Islamic extremism...thge mainstream media and the French government refuse to see the rioters are no more than some troubled youth bent on revenge.


Yes...history is so very ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallic_Wars

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/froissart1.html

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/I/ItalianW1.asp

http://www.lepg.org/wars.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/timelines/britain/geo_napo_wars.shtml

http://www.understandfrance.org/France/History.html

http://www.thbz.org/e2/french_surrender.php

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20107

http://www.fortliberty.org/patriotic-humor/French-Military-History.shtml

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes...history is so very ignorant.

You forgot the French particpation on Operation Desert Storm - Placed far to the left of the US VII Corps, obtensively to protect its flank as it maneuvered around the Iraqi right.

Of course, there were no Iraqi forces to the VII corps left, but we need not bother with that.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

How incredibly interesting that you left out the Napoleonic Wars with the exception of waterloo. Hundreds of victories there alone. Of course you also failed to mention the fact that the French practically won our revolution for us. Before the French began arriving, unofficially, every major city from Maine to Georgia, including the capital, had been taken by the British. Interesting how we only started winning after French tacticians, engineers, officers, etc arrived. By the way, what would the colonists have used to fight the British without a steady flow of amunition, muskets, and cannons from the French? Tea bags perhaps? LOL. While we're facing facts I might add that we'd still be chasing Cornwallis up and down the coast if it weren't for the French Navy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How incredibly interesting that you left out the Napoleonic Wars with the exception of waterloo. Hundreds of victories there alone.

Yeah... like that Moscow thing.

 

[MSgt]

HAHAHAHA! I meant to put a special hello to you, because I knew you would gravitate towards that post.

How incredibly interesting that you left out the Napoleonic Wars with the exception of waterloo. Hundreds of victories there alone.

#12 - What was the point? Having never achieved his envisioned victory, Napolean's eyes for conquest were too big to control everywhere he planted the French flag and lost in the end.

Of course you also failed to mention the fact that the French practically won our revolution for us. Before the French began arriving, unofficially, every major city from Maine to Georgia, including the capital, had been taken by the British. Interesting how we only started winning after French tacticians, engineers, officers, etc arrived. By the way, what would the colonists have used to fight the British without a steady flow of amunition, muskets, and cannons from the French? Tea bags perhaps? LOL. While we're facing facts I might add that we'd still be chasing Cornwallis up and down the coast if it weren't for the French Navy.

#10 - You give them far too much credit. I've told you this before.

So out of 18 seperate conflicts in French history, you have made argument for just two? Doesn't really speak well for the French does it?

 

[Lucidthots]

Probably. That's why I bought a jumbo bag.

Typical Jarhead.

Siding with the Third World filth over his Blood brothers.

Traitor!

 

[Lucidthots]

LONG LIVE FRANCE!

 

[hiker]

The French turned their Muslim population into a permanent underclass. They then ignored them. And once the unrest began, they continued to deny there was any. They dug their own graves on this one, let them lay in them. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[Lucidthots]

The French turned their Muslim population into a permanent underclass. They then ignored them. And once the unrest began, they continued to deny there was any. They dug their own graves on this one, let them lay in them. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Another North African/Muslim sympathizer.

Where do you degenerate sickos come from?

 

[MSgt]

The French turned their Muslim population into a permanent underclass. They then ignored them. And once the unrest began, they continued to deny there was any. They dug their own graves on this one, let them lay in them. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

That's right. The French have done this to themselves, but not in the way people suspect. The French government have not turned their Muslim population into a permanent underclass. They have done this to themselves through their unwillingness to assimilate into their surroundings. Muslims have not been marginalized in French public life. After the French government announced plans to expel jihadist imams from France last year, the anouncement was made by Jean-Pierre Raffarin that “there is no lumping together of the expulsion of imams and the Muslim community in general.” Not too long before this, France established an official organization to oversee French Islam, the French Council for the Muslim Religion (CFCM), and has even discussed revising France’s age old secular laws of seperation between church and state to allow the government to fund mosques in France, in order to wean them away from “extremist” foreign influences. When two French journalists were kidnapped in Iraq in August 2004, then-Interior Minister (and current Prime Minister) Dominique de Villepin went to a mosque to join Muslims in prayer for their release — and drew applause when he spoke of the unity between non-Muslims and Muslims in France. France’s have made ongoing efforts to make its Muslim population feel included, loved, and French — efforts they are now being universally excoriated for not having made. The French are guilty of the same thing they are always guilty of - failure to recognize the growing threat and making every appeasing attempt to make it go away. Just like in every so many corners of the world where a multiple number of Islamists live, they are blaming some one else for their civilization's failures. Instead of rolling up their sleeves and prospering like people from every religion have done, they choose to blame a scapegoat.

Most of the rioters are the French-born children of immigrants from Arab and African countries. A large percentage are Muslim. Their parents' generation was invited to France as laborers who were expected to return home but didn't. The new generation is coming of age in the midst of France's worst economic slump in years and during a time when many in the country, which is culturally Christian but officially secular, are increasingly fearful of the growth of Islam inside its borders. At present, the country has an estimated 6 million Muslims, most of African descent. The fear of losing France's traditional white European identity fueled French voters' rejection of the proposed European Union constitution last summer and has heightened French opposition to admitting Muslim Turkey into the E.U.

In France's defense (ouch..that hurt), they are victims of a civilization's failures just like the entire western world. This is the sort of thing that I have talked about when speaking of the fundamental spread of Islam. One only has to pull out a map. We allowed the government's of the Middle East to abuse and oppress their people just as long as the oil flowed. Islamic extremism has been the desperate development. In France, they are dealing with their own version of this. Of course, the mainstream media and French government has yet to admit that what is occurring is the beginnings of what it will eventually turn into even though all of the signs are obvious.

Some interesting signs...

1) It has long been established that there is a significant jihadist presence among French Muslims. Recently six Muslims in Paris were arrested for recruiting for the jihad in Iraq.

2) The rioters have been shouting the jihad battle cry, “Allahu akbar.” and have avoided Muslim-owned businesses, preferring obviously non-Muslim targets.

3) French Jewish synagogues and Christian churches have been targetted.

4) Mouloud Dahmani is a Muslim leader in France who is trying to prevail upon the French to allow for a group of Muslim Brotherhood sheikhs to negotiate an end to the riots. The Muslim Brotherhood, of course, is the first modern Islamic jihad organization and the direct forefather of Hamas and Al-Qaeda.

President Jacques Chirac and Premier de Villepin are especially sore because they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim community. That illusion has now been shattered — and the Chirac administration, already passing through a deepening political crisis, appears to be clueless about how to cope with what the Parisian daily France Soir has called a "ticking time bomb." It is now clear that a good portion of France's Muslims not only refuse to assimilate into "the superior French culture," but firmly believe that Islam offers the highest forms of life to which all mankind should aspire.

Where have we seen this before? Look at that map, identify where Islamists are lashing out through violence and take your pick. It won't be long before the rest of the world stops appeasing and coddling and starts identifying the true issues behind Islamic extremism and the vast size of it's adherents. Maybe after enough of France has burned and the explosions begin, even the French will acknowledge that America had the right idea the whole time regarding a democratic and necessary social change in the Middle East where Muslims have been mostly "victimized" by the prosperities of the west. You can't fight terrorism without addressing it's roots.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

HAHAHAHA! I meant to put a special hello to you, because I knew you would gravitate towards that post.

Well I couldn't let you get away with deliberately excluding those MAJOR victories.

#12 - What was the point? Having never achieved his envisioned victory, Napolean's eyes for conquest were too big to control everywhere he planted the French flag and lost in the end.

Thats not really true. As conditions of the Treaty of Campo Formio Napoleon granted soveirgnty to his territories in Italy. Napoleon honored the agreement but unfortunatley Austria decided that respecting the soveirgnty of nations, peace, and keeping their army to themselves wasn't an option. In the Treaty of Lunéville Napoleon granted soveirgnty to all of his territories east of the Rhine. Napoleon honored the agreement but unfortunatley Austria, Russia, and Prussia decided that respecting the soveirgnty of nations, peace, and keeping their armies to themselves wasn't an option.The Treaty of Amiens was signed between Britain and France..ending centuries of war. Napoleon honored the terms but unfortunatley the British couldn't stand the thought of peace. In the Treaty of Tilsit Napoleon created the Dutchy of Warsaw and the the Dutchy of Berg and granted both soveirgnty. Napoleon honored the agreement but unfortunatly Russia, Prussia, Austria, and Sweden decided that respecting soveirgnty, peace, and keeping their armies to themselves wasn't an option. So you see, Napoleon wanted peace. In fact, Austria, Russia, and Naples asked for peace then broke the very treaties they asked for and signed.

#10 - You give them far too much credit. I've told you this before.

I've proven that you don't give them enough credit.

So out of 18 seperate conflicts in French history, you have made argument for just two? Doesn't really speak well for the French does it?

You can toss WW1 in there too.

 

[MSgt]

Another North African/Muslim sympathizer.

Where do you degenerate sickos come from?

Still shooting off at the mouth?

 

[robin]

These riots highlight the need for a strict immigration policy.
To start with, when these people wanted their independance from French colonial rule they should have been told... "Here's your country back, but just one thing you can't have it both ways so... NO FRENCH PASSPORTS"
Australia & New Zealand don't get **** like this in their countries.
You can't get citizenship there unless you have a trade or profession of use to them & no criminal record so you will therefore form a useful member of their society.
We can thank "article 3 of the European convention on humans rights" for this from those Eurocrats in the European parliament. It says 'you can't send someone back to their country if they might be tortured'.
So most of these immigrants abuse the assylum laws by falsely claiming they will be tortured if they get sent home !
In UK we are stuck with terrorist suspects we cannot repatriate because of it. The law is an ass.
A real war on terror will be fought on the home front when the immigration laws start ignoring article 3.

No one can complain if Le Penn finishes up as President after this rabble have done this. I think France needs a dose of fascism to deal with the problem of immigrant scum who blame everyone else but themselves for their problems.
The 1st thing they need to say to these ba5tard5 is "OUT.. you benefit scroungers **** off back to N Africa. You're more interested in being Muslim that being French anyway".

 

[MSgt]

You can toss WW1 in there too.

This would be in post# 14.

 

[hiker]

Another North African/Muslim sympathizer.

Where do you degenerate sickos come from?

:rofl

From reading other posts you have made, to feel your wrath, as opposed to your agreement...I consider that an honor :smile:

 

[MSgt]

:rofl

From reading other posts you have made, to feel your wrath, as opposed to your agreement...I consider that an honor :smile:

Yeah...he's not all there.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

14) World War I (1914 to 1918) - On the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

The French won the First Battle of Marne. You know..the one that forced the Germans into retreat. It remained a stalemate until our troops arrived. You know..the troops commanded by French officers, largely trained by the French, supplied by the French, some of which wore French uniforms. We provided the additional men and they provided the supplies, expertise, and tactics..gee..kinda sounds like the American Revolution.

Where have we seen this before? Look at that map, identify where Islamists are lashing out through violence and take your pick. It won't be long before the rest of the world stops appeasing and coddling and starts identifying the true issues behind Islamic extremism and the vast size of it's adherents. Maybe after enough of France has burned and the explosions begin, even the French will acknowledge that America had the right idea the whole time regarding a democratic and necessary social change in the Middle East where Muslims have been mostly "victimized" by the prosperities of the west. You can't fight terrorism without addressing it's roots.

France has been fighting terrorism far longer than the U.S. and has often been criticized for being too agressive. Now they're being criticized for not being agressive enough :roll: . The underlying issue is that France adopted a strategy of defensive warfare when WW1 ended...it's a problem but I think it was adressed when they went into Afghanistan. The French government is extremely corrupt and the people know it...you can bet your last dime that once Cherac is out of office and his immunity gone the people will tear him limb from limb. It's also unfortunate that 20% who voted in the last election voted for the far right..the ones who espouse their "white power" nonsense. I hope these riots dont drive a larger percentage to vote for that party.

 

[MSgt]

France has been fighting terrorism far longer than the U.S. and has often been criticized for being too agressive. Now they're being criticized for not being agressive enough :roll: . The underlying issue is that France adopted a strategy of defensive warfare when WW1 ended...it's a problem but I think it was adressed when they went into Afghanistan. The French government is extremely corrupt and the people know it...you can bet your last dime that once Cherac is out of office and his immunity gone the people will tear him limb from limb. It's also unfortunate that 20% who voted in the last election voted for the far right..the ones who espouse their "white power" nonsense. I hope these riots dont drive a larger percentage to vote for that party.

These riots are just the beginning. This is not like times before. There has definately been a line drawn between the Islamic world and the west. The French can respond in three ways. They can feel guilty and appease the rioters with prerogatives and the “massive investment plan” some are demanding. Or they can heave a sigh of relief when it ends and, as they did after earlier crises, return to business as usual. Or they can understand this as the opening salvo in a would-be revolution and take the difficult steps to undo the negligence and indulgence of past decades.

I expect a blend of the first two reactions. France must await something larger and more awful to awake it from its somnolence. The long-term prognosis, however, is inescapable: “the sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced,” as Theodore Dalrymple puts it, “by the nightmare of permanent conflict.”

Islamic violence is spreading and as I have claimed over and over, the war in Iraq has nothing to do with it.

http://www.city-journal.org/printable.php?id=1885

 

[MSgt]

These riots highlight the need for a strict immigration policy.
To start with, when these people wanted their independance from French colonial rule they should have been told... "Here's your country back, but just one thing you can't have it both ways so... NO FRENCH PASSPORTS"
Australia & New Zealand don't get **** like this in their countries.
You can't get citizenship there unless you have a trade or profession of use to them & no criminal record so you will therefore form a useful member of their society.
We can thank "article 3 of the European convention on humans rights" for this from those Eurocrats in the European parliament. It says 'you can't send someone back to their country if they might be tortured'.
So most of these immigrants abuse the assylum laws by falsely claiming they will be tortured if they get sent home !
In UK we are stuck with terrorist suspects we cannot repatriate because of it. The law is an ass.
A real war on terror will be fought on the home front when the immigration laws start ignoring article 3.

No one can complain if Le Penn finishes up as President after this rabble have done this. I think France needs a dose of fascism to deal with the problem of immigrant scum who blame everyone else but themselves for their problems.
The 1st thing they need to say to these ba5tard5 is "OUT.. you benefit scroungers **** off back to N Africa. You're more interested in being Muslim that being French anyway".

Regarding the emboldened statement above...I'd appreciate it if you could refrain from saying things that I agree with henceforth.

 

[FireUltra 98]

The problem I see in France is its bend-over backwards policy to not profile bad eggs in the name of nondiscrimination. In the overally socialist environment that is modern France, everyone is the same with no recognition of social, economic or religeuos differences. Look at what Australia has recently done, the UK has been doing since this summer and the US has been doing since 9/11, profiling radicals and their despot messengers. France, like many continetal European countries have thrown their doors open to a large influx of Muslim immigrants who have no intention of becoming part of the cultures of the countries to which they immigrate but to recreate their own cultures in those countries.

In the name of tolerance, these countries have imported intolerance, of which growing antisemitism in Europe is just one example. In the name of respecting all cultures, these Western civilized nations have welcomed people who respect neither the cultures nor the rights of the population among whom they have settled. In Holland, people were shocked when one of their film-makers was assassinated by a Muslim extremist for daring to have views at variance with what the extremists would tolerate. Why? No one should've been shocked. Much of the media and the cultural elites of the West cannot bring themselves to even criticize, much less stop, the dangers or criminal acts among groups viewed sympathetically as misunderstood.

 

[Lucidthots]

The French turned their Muslim population into a permanent underclass.

They then ignored them.

They dug their own graves on this one, let them lay in them.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

You are a ********!

**** the Muslims!

LONG LIVE FRANCE!

 

[cnredd]

'I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.' - General George Patton

 

[OdgenTugbyGlub]

The problem I see in France is its bend-over backwards policy to not profile bad eggs in the name of nondiscrimination. In the overally socialist environment that is modern France, everyone is the same with no recognition of social, economic or religeuos differences. Look at what Australia has recently done, the UK has been doing since this summer and the US has been doing since 9/11, profiling radicals and their despot messengers. France, like many continetal European countries have thrown their doors open to a large influx of Muslim immigrants who have no intention of becoming part of the cultures of the countries to which they immigrate but to recreate their own cultures in those countries.

Riots were started mostly by young, french born muslims from extrememly impoverished areas. The riots are the result of the sometimes as high as 40% unemployment rate, the reluctance of "real" frech citizens to give them jobs and the feeling among most of the country that they aren't really "french". Sure there are radicals trying to use the riots to their advantage, but they aren't the root cause of it. If anything its france's policy of ignoring these people that caused the riots, its not that they want to preserve and respect all cultures its that they make no attempt to actually naturalize and assimilate these new immigrants. Sloppy work if you ask me.

Now though the police just need to stop the riots, and screw the cost. I think its more the radicals fueling the fires now than the french born kids continuing the fight. After that, quitely kick those ****s outta the country. Things have definatly gotten outta control for those smelly fools.