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Panic Buying in Kaliningrad as Lithuania Bans Rail Cargo From Russia

Roadvirus said:
If Russia decides to "stomp" Lithuania, it'll be involving NATO since Lithuania is a member.
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Bring it on Putin. Let's get NATO involved and send the Russians in Ukraine back to Russia!
 
Tigerace117 said:
That’s what we said about the Chinese too. And the Vietnamese. And the Afghans. And the Iraqis. Hmm....I’m sensing a pattern.
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The US defeated the Iraqis, twice. And a war with Russia would not be some kind of guerilla war against a radical and hostile local populace, it would be defending NATO territory.

Russia cannot even find victory in Ukraine despite a heavy numbers advantage and a supposed equipment advantage.
 
Putin objects to the sanctions blockade on Kaliningrad, but has no problem in blockading all Ukrainian ports.

The hypocrite!
 
Carjosse said:
The US defeated the Iraqis, twice. And a war with Russia would not be some kind of guerilla war against a radical and hostile local populace, it would be defending NATO territory.

Russia cannot even find victory in Ukraine despite a heavy numbers advantage and a supposed equipment advantage.
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Claiming Iraqi Freedom was a “win” is a stretch given the country is now quite friendly with Iran after years of the US running around trying to crush insurgents who slipped through our fingers time after time.

The US spent billions of dollars and twenty years fighting people who didn’t even have tanks or aircraft and still lost
 
Tigerace117 said:
Claiming Iraqi Freedom was a “win” is a stretch given the country is now quite friendly with Iran after years of the US running around trying to crush insurgents who slipped through our fingers time after time.

The US spent billions of dollars and twenty years fighting people who didn’t even have tanks or aircraft and still lost
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W or L?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If Russia blockading Ukrainian ports for grain shipments is a war crime, would blockading rail to Kaliningrad also be a war crime?
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Lithuania is "blockading" nothing. They are under no obligation to permit Russia a right-of-way through their country when Kaliningrad has another, perfectly viable, method of receiving needed goods.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Lithuania is "blockading" nothing. They are under no obligation to permit Russia a right-of-way through their country when Kaliningrad has another, perfectly viable, method of receiving needed goods.
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Ukraine can ship grain by truck and rail to the west rather than ship. No blockade
 
Carjosse said:
The US defeated the Iraqis, twice. And a war with Russia would not be some kind of guerilla war against a radical and hostile local populace, it would be defending NATO territory.

Russia cannot even find victory in Ukraine despite a heavy numbers advantage and a supposed equipment advantage.
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Russia tried to fight in a way their military was not suitable for. It changed tactics and is doing to Ukraine what it did to Grozny. It will take longer, but given the numerical advantage with the new tactics Russia is performing much better
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Ukraine can ship grain by truck and rail to the west rather than ship. No blockade
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There's also the "trivial" matter that the blockade is happening on Ukrainian soil. Lithuania's doing nothing beyond their own borders.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
There's also the "trivial" matter that the blockade is happening on Ukrainian soil. Lithuania's doing nothing beyond their own borders.
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A blockade is a blockade. One one's soil or not
 
Tigerace117 said:
Claiming Iraqi Freedom was a “win” is a stretch given the country is now quite friendly with Iran after years of the US running around trying to crush insurgents who slipped through our fingers time after time.

The US spent billions of dollars and twenty years fighting people who didn’t even have tanks or aircraft and still lost
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Militarily it was a very swift victory, politically it was a failure. The UK also managed a victory against Argentina as well. A guerilla war against a hostile local populace in very defensible positions is a very different kind of war than a war against Russia would be. A war with Russia is purely about military strength.

The Russians can barely handle the much poorer trained and equipped Ukrainian forces how well do you think they would handle 10s-100,000s of much better trained soldiers with the best equipment of any military force on Earth?
 
Carjosse said:
Militarily it was a very swift victory, politically it was a failure. The UK also managed a victory against Argentina as well. A guerilla war against a hostile local populace in very defensible positions is a very different kind of war than a war against Russia would be. A war with Russia is purely about military strength.

The Russians can barely handle the much poorer trained and equipped Ukrainian forces how well do you think they would handle 10s-100,000s of much better trained soldiers with the best equipment of any military force on Earth?
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Except militarily it was ultimately a failure as well. The US was unable to secure the country and prevent the outbreak of large scale sectarian violence across Iraq.

In case you hadn’t noticed it, Russia isn’t what amounts to a backwater whose army hadn’t fought an major war for about a century prior to the current conflict.

The US couldn’t handle untrained peasants with decades old AKs, so assuming we’d easily beat a near peer is a dangerous assumption.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except militarily it was ultimately a failure as well. The US was unable to secure the country and prevent the outbreak of large scale sectarian violence across Iraq.

In case you hadn’t noticed it, Russia isn’t what amounts to a backwater whose army hadn’t fought an major war for about a century prior to the current conflict.

The US couldn’t handle untrained peasants with decades old AKs, so assuming we’d easily beat a near peer is a dangerous assumption.
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The secretarian violence and the rise of groups like ISIS happened after the military defeat of Iraq and most of the troops withdrew and the new Iraqi state was left to fight.

How would a defensive war with Russia be anything like Afghanistan, Vietnam, or any of these other conflicts you mention? From what we have seen in Ukraine the Russian military is indeed a corrupt backwater with extremely poor training, nonexistent logistics, bad morale, and decades old equipment. If they can't beat the Ukrainians you really think a Russian force could stand up to the might of the US let alone a combined NATO force?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except militarily it was ultimately a failure as well. The US was unable to secure the country and prevent the outbreak of large scale sectarian violence across Iraq.

In case you hadn’t noticed it, Russia isn’t what amounts to a backwater whose army hadn’t fought an major war for about a century prior to the current conflict.

The US couldn’t handle untrained peasants with decades old AKs, so assuming we’d easily beat a near peer is a dangerous assumption.
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Militarily it was a success. Whether or not shit hit the fan later is irrelevant to that fact..
 
Fledermaus said:
Militarily it was a success. Whether or not shit hit the fan later is irrelevant to that fact..
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Won the battles lost the war. To win the war would have required genocidal tactics which would have been politically impossible
 
Carjosse said:
The secretarian violence and the rise of groups like ISIS happened after the military defeat of Iraq and most of the troops withdrew and the new Iraqi state was left to fight.

How would a defensive war with Russia be anything like Afghanistan, Vietnam, or any of these other conflicts you mention? From what we have seen in Ukraine the Russian military is indeed a corrupt backwater with extremely poor training, nonexistent logistics, bad morale, and decades old equipment. If they can't beat the Ukrainians you really think a Russian force could stand up to the might of the US let alone a combined NATO force?
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The sectarian violence happened when America was in control of country.....and our military attempts to stop it failed miserably. There was wide scale sectarian violence practically from the minute Baghdad fell.

The “might” of the US? If America can’t even beat a bunch of ragtag sheep herders with decades old rifles, talking about our “might” is pretty funny. Over and over again America has blundering into wars after believing its own hype and failed miserably. Talking about American “might” is a joke
 
Tigerace117 said:
The sectarian violence happened when America was in control of country.....and our military attempts to stop it failed miserably. There was wide scale sectarian violence practically from the minute Baghdad fell.

The “might” of the US? If America can’t even beat a bunch of ragtag sheep herders with decades old rifles, talking about our “might” is pretty funny. Over and over again America has blundering into wars after believing its own hype and failed miserably. Talking about American “might” is a joke
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Your opinion is noted.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Putin objects to the sanctions blockade on Kaliningrad,
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Yep, because Russia is not at war with Lithuania and he sees it as a hostile act that is in contravention of agreements signed with Lithuania that date back to the break up of the USSR



Rogue Valley said:
but has no problem in blockading all Ukrainian ports.
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He is at war with Ukraine and so doesn't want to allow the shipment of arms into Ukraine via its ports.

The Ukrainian ports, even if they were not blockaded by the Russians would be dangerous for shipping due to the fact that they( the Ukrainians ) have mined them themselves.



Rogue Valley said:
The hypocrite!
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They all are, so I don't see why you are singling him out for it.

PS the Russians have sent two ships with supplies for Kaliningrad already and hope to have another 7 operational by the years end, so it's not like a massive problem they cannot solve.
 
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