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Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion

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This is a very small start and but it's too late to save California if everything they were implemented and worked 100%.

California lost businesses and citizens to Texas because California has had A Governor who is a Liberal and the worst one in history is coming up.

If "Obama I don't Care Kill Granny plan" is not stopped nothing is going to stopped Obama from getting his way and the economy will tank and we are going to have the worst most devastating depression in history and it will be 100% Obama's fault.
 

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This is a very small start and but it's too late to save California if everything they were implemented and worked 100%.

California lost businesses and citizens to Texas because California has had A Governor who is a Liberal and the worst one in history is coming up.

If "Obama I don't Care Kill Granny plan" is not stopped nothing is going to stopped Obama from getting his way and the economy will tank and we are going to have the worst most devastating depression in history and it will be 100% Obama's fault.

I wouldn't exactly call $200 Billion a "very small start". Granted, it appears that we are on pace to have a budget deficit averaging about $800 Billion a year going forward based on current activities, it still gets us 25% of the way there.
 

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Getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan will go a long way as well.
 

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This is a very small start and but it's too late to save California if everything they were implemented and worked 100%.

California lost businesses and citizens to Texas because California has had A Governor who is a Liberal and the worst one in history is coming up.

If "Obama I don't Care Kill Granny plan" is not stopped nothing is going to stopped Obama from getting his way and the economy will tank and we are going to have the worst most devastating depression in history and it will be 100% Obama's fault.

Bull, it is the fault of every American who wants to have everything today, borrowing from tomorrow to have more crap than they can afford, much less need.
We have so much stuff that about 10% of us pay monthly fees to storage facilities to store our stuff.
There is no financial security is collecting and surrounding ourselves with all this stuff we don't need. We buy the crap with credit, and pay storage fees with credit. Better to get rid of it, have a yard sale first, then donating the rest of it to thrift stores.
 

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Why don't you all just cut defence spending by about $600 billion? That'd do it. God knows that extra several-hundred-billion-dollars isn't making your troops unkillable in Iraq or Afghanistan. :/ Wasted money, methinks.
 

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Why don't you all just cut defence spending by about $600 billion? That'd do it. God knows that extra several-hundred-billion-dollars isn't making your troops unkillable in Iraq or Afghanistan. :/ Wasted money, methinks.

I think the waters surrounding the Horn of Africa offer a cautionary note to the wisdom of defanging the United States.
 

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I think the waters surrounding the Horn of Africa offer a cautionary note to the wisdom of defanging the United States.

I'm not saying de-fang the US -- just cut the spending. Britain and France are two of the five most powerful nations on Earth -- they can both enforce their military will across the globe, just as the US can, but they've both been able to keep spending at reasonable levels. The US can still have a military presence on the world stage -- they just need to spend smarter.
 

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I'm not saying de-fang the US -- just cut the spending. Britain and France are two of the five most powerful nations on Earth -- they can both enforce their military will across the globe, just as the US can, but they've both been able to keep spending at reasonable levels. The US can still have a military presence on the world stage -- they just need to spend smarter.

The Brits and the French are certainly capable of exerting military force but their strategic political will is wholly dependent on the United States military aparatus and as far as the rest of the world, little trade occurs without the express written consent of the United States Navy.

We spend smart. And listening to those who piss and moan about our maintenance of the Western way of life reminds me of the Kipling poem The White Man's Burden (ironically, a call from a Brit for America to get in the game):

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Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--

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The Brits and the French are certainly capable of exerting military force but their strategic political will is wholly dependent on the United States military aparatus and as far as the rest of the world, little trade occurs without the express written consent of the United States Navy.

We spend smart. And listening to those who piss and moan about our maintenance of the Western way of life reminds me of the Kipling poem The White Man's Burden (ironically, a call from a Brit for America to get in the game):

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Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--

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Are you joking?

I mean, are you serious? Do you still think this is 1967, the height of the Cold War? Britain and France? Dependent upon the States?

I'm surprised I'm even dignifying something so unabashedly twisted, but here I am: You could not be more wrong. Britain and France have never been subject to the military will of the United States, nor the political will of it -- the closest they've ever come was the Suez Crisis, in which they were force, by joint decision from the US and the Soviet Union, to halt their invasion of Egypt.

But shortly thereafter, France pulled out of NATO, and Britain has always been an equal partner in terms of Western politics. In more recent times, France essentially called the US on its bluff and told it to go shove it up its arse -- France and Germany wouldn't send their troops to die in an unwinnable war in Iraq, and the US couldn't force them to if they wanted to.

Furthermore, I might note that Britain and France, as heads of the Commonwealth and Francophonie, respectively, weild more international strategic power than the US does, especially now that NATO is broken.

Let me also continue to say that you totally just pulled the bit about the Navy out of your arse. As someone who served in the Royal Marines for seven years, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the US Navy may not and does not have any power to affect any aspect of military or economic naval actions outside of US territorial waters -- to do so would constitute a breach of international law.
 

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I get worried when the government starts suggesting that they should modify business tax credits and deductions. Sounds like an ass-****ing headed our way.
 

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Obama panel urges deep US spending cuts, tax reform - Yahoo! News

The Pentagon would also be subject to a freeze for non-combat staff and a reduction in procurement spending of 15 percent, saving 20 billion dollars.

The chairs would have the Department of Defense cancel projects to build the V-22 Osprey aircraft, the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle and substitute F-16 and F/A-18Es "for half of the Air Force and Navy's planned buys of F-35 fighter aircraft."

Some rather interesting cuts in military spending is being proposed as well. The V-22 has been an expensive program that most DOD have done their best to protect, the replacement of half the appro 2100 of the F35 with F16 and F18 is about the most suprising one
 

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I get worried when the government starts suggesting that they should modify business tax credits and deductions. Sounds like an ass-****ing headed our way.

So, you are not for simplifying the tax code? I thought that's what most conservative wanted. This plan also comes with lower tax rates overall.
 

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So, you are not for simplifying the tax code? I thought that's what most conservative wanted. This plan also comes with lower tax rates overall.

Lower rates, in exchange for fewer deductions and credits. Sorry, if I'm not excited about that idea.
 

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Just my two cents. I watched Fox News and MSNBC last night. Both seemed to be b**chin about this proposal. The left and the right both don't like it. That must mean it's a good proposal. :mrgreen:
 

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Obama panel urges deep US spending cuts, tax reform - Yahoo! News



Some rather interesting cuts in military spending is being proposed as well. The V-22 has been an expensive program that most DOD have done their best to protect, the replacement of half the appro 2100 of the F35 with F16 and F18 is about the most suprising one

Yeah, interesting, to say the least.

Reduce facility maintanance.

Reduce base support.

Freeze soldier salaries for three years.

Like I said in another thread, the defense cuts will hit the troops the hardest.
 

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Just my two cents. I watched Fox News and MSNBC last night. Both seemed to be b**chin about this proposal. The left and the right both don't like it. That must mean it's a good proposal. :mrgreen:

Probably more comparable to Obamacare...:rofl
 

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Lower rates, in exchange for fewer deductions and credits. Sorry, if I'm not excited about that idea.

Not excited or completely against? I don't think there are many people excited about this but something needs to be done and I doubt there will be anyone who is not affected negatively in some way.
 

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Everyone should be aware that this is NOT the final report. Also be aware that there is a very good chance that there will be no final report which garners the mandatory 14 votes to make it go before Congress for action. This chairmans release is DOA.
 

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Not excited or completely against? I don't think there are many people excited about this but something needs to be done and I doubt there will be anyone who is not affected negatively in some way.

Yeah, and what needs to be done, is to stop spending hundreds of billions of dollars on stupid ****, like Cash for Clunkers.

What really needs to happen, is Obama needs to figure out that the government can't fix the economy and get out of the private sector's way.

You can do what you want with the tax code, but if no one is working, it don't mean ****.
 

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Everyone should be aware that this is NOT the final report. Also be aware that there is a very good chance that there will be no final report which garners the mandatory 14 votes to make it go before Congress for action. This chairmans release is DOA.

I'm completely aware that this is just a proposal.
 

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Yeah, and what needs to be done, is to stop spending hundreds of billions of dollars on stupid ****, like Cash for Clunkers.

What really needs to happen, is Obama needs to figure out that the government can't fix the economy and get out of the private sector's way.

You can do what you want with the tax code, but if no one is working, it don't mean ****.

Where would you make the cuts? Include numbers please. You need about $800 Billion per year (that excludes any stimulus like cash for clunkers).
 

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Why don't you all just cut defence spending by about $600 billion? That'd do it. God knows that extra several-hundred-billion-dollars isn't making your troops unkillable in Iraq or Afghanistan. :/ Wasted money, methinks.
You have no idea what you're talking about. That's the entire budget for the Department of Defense.
 

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You have no idea what you're talking about. That's the entire budget for the Department of Defense.

Pretty darn close. We spent $663 Billion last year.
 
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