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Inflation was already in the pipe from the last administration. Inflation is normal anyway. Hard to gauge the amount from any one action. P&G has stated the tariffs are only increasing the prices of some of their products 5%. Far lower than the scare tactics and lies the left claims.Why do all the MAGAs just do a comparison on the one item in question when everything across the board has or is going up. Meats at all-time highs since prices were recorded. Especially beef.
Nothing has come down like Trump promised. And the less wealthy you are, the more the increases hurt. Where are those 50% cuts in energy across the board he promised 100 times on the campaign trail? Where are those reduced prescription prices like he promised 60,70,80,90% and more in reduced drug costs across the board?
Trump is a bullshitter. He says a whole lot of things and does the opposite. And MAGA believes every word.
In the meantime, I subscribe to the "expert" version of Grok, Grok 4, to examine and evaluate academic studies, in particular the economic studies done of the effects of Trump's far more limited and modest tariffs on China in the first term:
Economic studies on the effects of the Trump administration's tariffs on China during his first term (2017–2021), primarily imposed under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, have been conducted by institutions such as the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), the Peterson Institute for International Economics (PIIE), and the Wharton School, among others. These analyses, utilizing econometric models, trade data, and general equilibrium frameworks, generally conclude that the tariffs resulted in higher consumer prices, reduced trade volumes, and mixed macroeconomic outcomes, with net economic losses estimated at $7.2 billion to $51 billion annually for the United States. ...
Regarding the allocation of tariff costs, empirical evidence consistently shows that U.S. importers and consumers absorbed the majority—often estimated at 90% to 100%—of the tariff burden through elevated import prices, with Chinese exporters bearing minimal to no share via price reductions. For instance, an NBER study found that tariffs on Chinese goods led to full pass-through to U.S. import prices, with no significant absorption by exporters, resulting in consumer price increases of up to $1.5 billion for specific products like washing machines.
The effects appear... within 6 to 18 months as immediate price hikes, supply chain disruptions, and retaliatory job losses, particularly in export-dependent sectors. Long-term analyses, such as those from the Wharton School and IMF, project sustained negative impacts on GDP (reductions of 0.1% to 1%) and wages (down 0.5% to 5%), with persistent trade diversion rather than fundamental shifts. ...
On reshoring U.S. manufacturing, the tariffs demonstrated limited effectiveness, with studies indicating negligible or negative net impacts on domestic production relocation. Research from MIT and the Economic Policy Institute found that while tariffs stimulated some investments in protected industries (e.g., $15.7 billion in steel and 3,200 jobs), overall manufacturing employment declined by 245,000 positions due to higher input costs and retaliation. ...
When tariffs are applied, they reduce trade. When trade declines, GDP declines. It's that simple.
HUGE amounts!!!!A.I. is sucking up juice, too.
As I am a big coffee drinker I've been tracking prices the last six months. In the SF Bay Area, when I left six months ago, Yuban was 11.99 for a container. A few days ago I almost purchased Yuban here in Portland, at a Safeway, until I saw it was now 17.99.
I am stunned to see all the usual standard brands reflecting this price - its insane. Seriously Trumpers, it's one think to tariff products for which there are domestic alternatives but for Coffee (or bananas or any other tropical or out of season fruit)?
Dumb...dumb...dumb.
The day after tomorrow, July 31st, tariff cases will be argued before the federal court of appeals, the specialized court dealing with trade and other issues. The lower court has already found trump's actions illegal and issued an injunction.
The appeals court wrongly stayed the injunction until it received the briefs and heard the arguments. Those briefs were provided two or three weeks ago and they will hear the arguments Thursday.
This has gone on far too long and the courts have been negligent in dealing with Trump's illegal seizure of the taxing power of Congress. At this least it should end with the hearing having ALL judges present (11 or 12 of them). And hopefully the majority will have the spine to et the injunction take effect.
Of course, it will certainly be appealed to the Supreme Court by one of the party's and we will see they also endorse Trump as King, as they have done on other issues.
Inflation was already in the pipe from the last administration. Inflation is normal anyway. Hard to gauge the amount from any one action. P&G has stated the tariffs are only increasing the prices of some of their products 5%. Far lower than the scare tactics and lies the left claims.
So deny the facts as P&G presented them, and stick to your propaganda.
I'm wondering how long it will take to get a ruling?
5% inflation is awesomeSo a $20 pack of paper towels is now $21. Not terribly concerned when they already cost 20.
It's a quarter of their products... Look up the portfolio of brands that are owned by P&G. It's a lot!
MAGA has no core principlesMAGA pre-2025: Prices are too high!!
MAGA 2025: 5% more? No problem!
Higher taxes, open borders, higher food prices, higher gas prices, etc. etc. etc.What does Harris offer?
5% to start. Glad MAGA loves inflation now! Once Trump's "baseline 10-15%" kicks in you'll be back to say prices only rose 15%Inflation was already in the pipe from the last administration. Inflation is normal anyway. Hard to gauge the amount from any one action. P&G has stated the tariffs are only increasing the prices of some of their products 5%. Far lower than the scare tactics and lies the left claims.
So deny the facts as P&G presented them, and stick to your propaganda.
Pretty much everything is going to go up in price. Or has already started.5% inflation is awesome
Or is it the desired raises in minimum wages in areas?Just went to mcdonalds
Mcdouble meal is $5.50 now instead of $5
10% increase
Thanks Trump
Just went to mcdonalds
Mcdouble meal is $5.50 now instead of $5
10% increase
Thanks Trump
Or is it the desired raises in minimum wages in areas?
With in only 6 months prices are up 5-10% in parts of the economy.Does P&G sale McDonalds hamburger?
Nope - the mcchicken meal is still only $5Or is it the desired raises in minimum wages in areas?
Just went to mcdonalds
Mcdouble meal is $5.50 now instead of $5
10% increase
Thanks Trump
Or is it the desired raises in minimum wages in areas?
I wonder how much of the beef price increase has to do with the AGW scare regarding cattle flatulence? Has there been more costs incurred in raising beef because of that?A place that sells beef raising their price? That's a surprise?
My favorite independent steakhouse has had to resort to listing a significant portion of their cuts as "market price"!
I wonder how much of the beef price increase has to do with the AGW scare regarding cattle flatulence? Has there been more costs incurred in raising beef because of that?
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