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Zyphlin

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I'm sure a thread about the actual on air statements and acts by both, and thier political leaning, could go on for ages. I am wanting to look at a different part of it.

I have heard numerous people give reasoning that "Of course Fox is conservatively slanted, its owned by Rupert Murdoch". It seems that because its owned by a person who is republically slanted, some feel that it is obvious that it would be slanted in that same way.

If you hold to this view, how can you not say the same about CNN, owned by a man (Ted Turner) equally as supportive to the opposite party?

If Fox is obviously slanted because Rupert Murdoch owns it, then how can you also...if that is your rationale...that CNN isn't obviously slanted because Ted Turner is the owner?
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm sure a thread about the actual on air statements and acts by both, and thier political leaning, could go on for ages. I am wanting to look at a different part of it.

I have heard numerous people give reasoning that "Of course Fox is conservatively slanted, its owned by Rupert Murdoch". It seems that because its owned by a person who is republically slanted, some feel that it is obvious that it would be slanted in that same way.

If you hold to this view, how can you not say the same about CNN, owned by a man (Ted Turner) equally as supportive to the opposite party?

If Fox is obviously slanted because Rupert Murdoch owns it, then how can you also...if that is your rationale...that CNN isn't obviously slanted because Ted Turner is the owner?


That's a good point. I think that it is illogical to assume whether a person has bias or not. For example as a libertarian, I'll tend to make anti-communist, and anti-social conservative opinions on this forum. But the more important part is whether or not you actively try to influence someone else's opinion. In this case it would be either Murdoch or Truner influencing their station editors/managers and TV pundits to have certain views, or at the very least actively tell your station or newspaper mangers to employ certain journalists or editors based on their political views.

So I think that the question should be whether or not these men actually try to influence the opinions of their staff either actively or passively? Not whether or not these men have bias.

For the record it appears that CNN international seems to be a big supporter of the UN, and multilateralism. This may reflect Ted's support of the UN. To say that CNN is liberal would be a bit incorrect though, as CNN still has many shows the are business and commerce orientated. For example they are not advocating communism.

In regards to FOX news, well the network does have a certain style. And most of the pundits seem to have some conservative leaning one way or another. I don't have a problem with that, because I figure most people are smart enough to realise that. What I do have a problem with is the their motto fair and balance.... But that is another story.

Now closing in on Murdoch. When he started up the Australian Newspaper many years ago, Rupert got a bit of a reputation for pressuring editors to compose editorial pieces, that reflected his view point, to the extent that he would fire and sack editors unless they did as they were told.

In Britain Murdoch is an extremely powerfull man, probably second after Tony Blair. During the last election, analysts actually waited to see what Rupert's papers would type about Blair. Infact it is generally percieved that whoever Murdoch's papers back for the election, will most likely win. Such is his media influence......

Interestingly Murdoch's doesn't seem to care about candidates so much on social issues, but rather business. Murdoch backed Margaret Thatcher's Torries, and conservative inspired New Labour of Tony Blair. Suggesting that Murdoch may be more Libertarian, and pro-business, and less socially conservative than people give hime credit for.

Basically Murdoch influences the opinions of his editors and station managers, he makes no effort to hide that. I'd assume that Turner tries to influence his staff, but Ted is probably more discreet about it..... :twocents:
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm sure a thread about the actual on air statements and acts by both, and thier political leaning, could go on for ages. I am wanting to look at a different part of it.

I have heard numerous people give reasoning that "Of course Fox is conservatively slanted, its owned by Rupert Murdoch". It seems that because its owned by a person who is republically slanted, some feel that it is obvious that it would be slanted in that same way.

If you hold to this view, how can you not say the same about CNN, owned by a man (Ted Turner) equally as supportive to the opposite party?

If Fox is obviously slanted because Rupert Murdoch owns it, then how can you also...if that is your rationale...that CNN isn't obviously slanted because Ted Turner is the owner?

CNN is owned by TimeWarner, where Ted Turner is a large stock holder but does not control TimeWarner or CNN. He also (to the best of my knowledge) does not have any editorial control over CNN in any way.

As for Fox and Newscorp. Murdock is a swinger basicly. In the US at the moment his network is pro right and pro Bush. In Europe/UK his network is not really pro Blair or pro anything... in fact its often highly critical of Isreal and Blair and others. In China his network is pro goverment. Whatever gets Murdocks channels on air and keeps them there, he will do. Murdock was under threat from the Clinton administration in the 1990s so Fox News went very Clinton negative and became mouthpiece of the republican takeover of the US. And it worked.. as soon as Clinton was out, the lawsuits were droped for the most part. I am not sure how Murdock channels act and acted in Austrialia but I got a sneaky feeling that the pattern would be the same.
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm sure a thread about the actual on air statements and acts by both, and thier political leaning, could go on for ages. I am wanting to look at a different part of it.

I have heard numerous people give reasoning that "Of course Fox is conservatively slanted, its owned by Rupert Murdoch". It seems that because its owned by a person who is republically slanted, some feel that it is obvious that it would be slanted in that same way.

If you hold to this view, how can you not say the same about CNN, owned by a man (Ted Turner) equally as supportive to the opposite party?

If Fox is obviously slanted because Rupert Murdoch owns it, then how can you also...if that is your rationale...that CNN isn't obviously slanted because Ted Turner is the owner?

Well that's an observation most miss, especially the moonbats over at moveon.org, democratic underground and the rest. Turner may not control the station now, but he certainly had control for many years, more importantly at it's inception, and specifically hired men and women he felt were on the same page so to speak, a cable channel for the entire world. One only needs to read the UCLA study to understand the obvious bias that is present in the media, and CNN certainly stands out in this category. Let's face it, journalist, news rooms, etc, are always going to be filled with more liberals, it's a liberal occupation, conservatives are too busy making millions.
 
I think here, on this site, the members for the most part are in agreement that FOX is right biased and CNN is left biased.
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm sure a thread about the actual on air statements and acts by both, and thier political leaning, could go on for ages. I am wanting to look at a different part of it.

I have heard numerous people give reasoning that "Of course Fox is conservatively slanted, its owned by Rupert Murdoch". It seems that because its owned by a person who is republically slanted, some feel that it is obvious that it would be slanted in that same way.

If you hold to this view, how can you not say the same about CNN, owned by a man (Ted Turner) equally as supportive to the opposite party?

If Fox is obviously slanted because Rupert Murdoch owns it, then how can you also...if that is your rationale...that CNN isn't obviously slanted because Ted Turner is the owner?

Uh, Ted Turner doesn't own CNN, hasn't for a long time....
He also stepped down as vice chaiman of AOL Time Warner in 2003.
 
Captain America said:
I think here, on this site, the members for the most part are in agreement that FOX is right biased and CNN is left biased.

I don't agree with that at all.

I think Fox is slanted to the right, but the most liberal people on CNN are Republicans Jack Cafferty and Lou Dobbs. I don't see CNN as liberal at all. In fact, I don't even see them interested in News that much.

There is a HUGE difference between CNN and CNN International. The latter has great content and in depth reporting. CNN is all about talking heads guessing about news with very few exceptions.
 
Deegan said:
Well that's an observation most miss, especially the moonbats over at moveon.org, democratic underground and the rest. Turner may not control the station now, but he certainly had control for many years, more importantly at it's inception, and specifically hired men and women he felt were on the same page so to speak, a cable channel for the entire world. One only needs to read the UCLA study to understand the obvious bias that is present in the media, and CNN certainly stands out in this category. Let's face it, journalist, news rooms, etc, are always going to be filled with more liberals, it's a liberal occupation, conservatives are too busy making millions.

The UCLA has been thoroghly debunked numerous times on this website. Do I need to find the evidence again?
 
hipsterdufus said:
The UCLA has been thoroghly debunked numerous times on this website. Do I need to find the evidence again?

Well that is because you a far left, and Oprah does not even appear liberal to you, lol:lol:

The UCLA study is quite solid, and no one here debunked anything, you confuse liberal with moonbat leftist.
 
Deegan said:
Well that is because you a far left, and Oprah does not even appear liberal to you, lol:lol:

The UCLA study is quite solid, and no one here debunked anything, you confuse liberal with moonbat leftist.

The UCLA study called the ACLU a conservative organization.:rofl
It had the NRA as barely conservative. :rofl :rofl

The study used an entirely faulty criteria for its methodology. Groseclose and Milyo's measure of "bias" was based soley on the citations of think tank and advocacy groups.
 
The researchers took numerous steps to safeguard against bias — or the appearance of same — in the work, which took close to three years to complete. They went to great lengths to ensure that as many research assistants supported Democratic candidate Al Gore in the 2000 election as supported President George Bush. They also sought no outside funding, a rarity in scholarly research.

"No matter the results, we feared our findings would've been suspect if we'd received support from any group that could be perceived as right- or left-leaning, so we consciously decided to fund this project only with our own salaries and research funds that our own universities provided," Groseclose said.

The results break new ground.

"Past researchers have been able to say whether an outlet is conservative or liberal, but no one has ever compared media outlets to lawmakers," Groseclose said. "Our work gives a precise characterization of the bias and relates it to known commodity — politicians."


http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664

You are obviously getting your views from the smear machine, media matters, no bias there!:rofl
 
If a bias exists, it is towards big business and big government.

Sadly, both parties now openly support big government.
 
Deegan said:
The researchers took numerous steps to safeguard against bias — or the appearance of same — in the work, which took close to three years to complete. They went to great lengths to ensure that as many research assistants supported Democratic candidate Al Gore in the 2000 election as supported President George Bush. They also sought no outside funding, a rarity in scholarly research.

"No matter the results, we feared our findings would've been suspect if we'd received support from any group that could be perceived as right- or left-leaning, so we consciously decided to fund this project only with our own salaries and research funds that our own universities provided," Groseclose said.

The results break new ground.

"Past researchers have been able to say whether an outlet is conservative or liberal, but no one has ever compared media outlets to lawmakers," Groseclose said. "Our work gives a precise characterization of the bias and relates it to known commodity — politicians."


http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664

You are obviously getting your views from the smear machine, media matters, no bias there!:rofl

So, you agree with their findings that the ACLU is conservative?

My reseach is from Fairness and Accuracy in reporting : FAIR

It makes no difference. It's just like Intelligent Design, now the neo-cons have more non-peer reviewed studies that they can use to falsely back up unjustified claims. No evidence to the contrary really matters when you don't accept science.
 
hipsterdufus said:
So, you agree with their findings that the ACLU is conservative?

My reseach is from Fairness and Accuracy in reporting : FAIR

It makes no difference. It's just like Intelligent Design, now the neo-cons have more non-peer reviewed studies that they can use to falsely back up unjustified claims. No evidence to the contrary really matters when you don't accept science.

What has the ACLU to do with the Media, and no, I never saw that in the report.

This is science, you seem to be the only one not accepting of it?:doh
 
Deegan said:
Let's face it, journalist, news rooms, etc, are always going to be filled with more liberals, it's a liberal occupation, conservatives are too busy making millions.

One could extrapolate from this statement that liberals seek truth and conservatives seek profits. What say you?
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
One could extrapolate from this statement that liberals seek truth and conservatives seek profits. What say you?

I would say that the real liberals, they do seek truth, it's the angry leftist that has crept in to the fold, this is what is giving the liberal a bad name. Much as the neo-con has crept in to the traditional conservative fold, and now both sides are derailed, and you have what we see today, a big mess.
 
Deegan said:
I would say that the real liberals, they do seek truth, it's the angry leftist that has crept in to the fold, this is what is giving the liberal a bad name. Much as the neo-con has crept in to the traditional conservative fold, and now both sides are derailed, and you have what we see today, a big mess.

We are in agreement here. :2wave:
 
hipsterdufus said:
So, you agree with their findings that the ACLU is conservative?

My reseach is from Fairness and Accuracy in reporting : FAIR

It makes no difference. It's just like Intelligent Design, now the neo-cons have more non-peer reviewed studies that they can use to falsely back up unjustified claims. No evidence to the contrary really matters when you don't accept science.


Ahhh, now I found it, and of course you are wrong, they were found to be in the center, as the ACLU should be.

Ave. Score of
Number of
Number of



legislator citing
Citations by
Citations by


Think Tank/Policy Group
think tank
Legislators
Media Outlets







1
Brookings Institution
53.3
320
1392

2
American Civil Liberties Union
49.8
273
1073

3
NAACP
75.4
134
559

4
Center for Strategic and International Studies
46.3
79
432

5
Amnesty International
57.4
394
419

6
Council on Foreign Relations
60.2
45
403

7
Sierra Club
68.7
376
393

8
American Enterprise Institute
36.6
154
382

9
RAND Corporation
60.4
352
350

10
National Rifle Association
45.9
143
336

11
American Association of Retired Persons
66.0
411
333

12
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
51.9
26
328

13
Heritage Foundation
20.0
369
288

14
Common Cause
69.0
222
287

15
Center for Responsive Politics
66.9
75
264

16
Consumer Federation of America
81.7
224
256

17
Christian Coalition
22.6
141
220

18
Cato Institute
36.3
224
196

78.9
62
 
Deegan said:
Well that's a nice change.;)

What do you think of the UCLA report?

http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm

I thought that the methodology had been showed flawed months ago in another thread. It seems to me that the news stories are such a small part of what cable news is about, that a focus on the advertising these networks run should be part of the study as well. Has anyone brought that up yet?

Since these channels are mostly oped and point/counterpoint driven. To make a claim ignoring these things about a station is a misnomer. The way a station follows up a news story has a direct effect on the news story and how it is perceived.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I thought that the methodology had been showed flawed months ago in another thread. It seems to me that the news stories are such a small part of what cable news is about, that a focus on the advertising these networks run should be part of the study as well. Has anyone brought that up yet?

Since these channels are mostly oped and point/counterpoint driven. To make a claim ignoring these things about a station is a misnomer. The way a station follows up a news story has a direct effect on the news story and how it is perceived.

I don't know how that figures in, if it did, these folks would have included it, the same advertisers use every station to sell their product, the more popular the station, the more the ads cost, period. I know, I have friends in the ad business, their only job is to sell their customers product, and if that means ESPN will sell more of it, that is where they will go. Now if you are talking about political ads, then there is certainly something planned about those.

IMO, the way they conducted the test, using the ADA method, was the only way to go, but the link explains it all, nothing was debunked here, well not in my opinion.
 
Deegan there are plenty of problems with the UCLA report. Thier methods were different and had not been tried before thats for sure. Did it get somewhere closer to the "truth".. maybe. But its far from perfect.

However the strange results on some organisations are signs that thier methodology is no where near as sound as it should be to produce definitive proof of a bias.

Also, they mix things up in my opinion. In one instance they take out the editorial part of the Wall Street Journal and basicly label it communist rag, and on the other hand they use "editorial" new shows where the anchor comes with his own opinions.. or at least what right wingers claim to be editorial and not news. Thats like comparing apples and oranges. Seems that they "selected" at a whim if you ask me.

The ACLU and NRA results are wierd, as are the Wall Street Journal, plus a few more. You cant just discount them or come up with an excuse to why they are "odd". Either the methodolgy is spot on for all or the study its flawed. Plus the way they gathered facts and figures and the facts and figures themselvs are again easily manipulated by one or the other side to gain an advantage.

Now they might not have taken offically money from outside sources but thier whole lives have been basicly in the service of the right wing, via think tanks and so on. This sets the tone from the start, just like the so called media studies done by right wing media sites across the web which all have of course proven a left wing bias in all media but Fox and the Washington Times. How about a totaly independant as possible study, where 1 right winger and 1 left winger are behind the study?

What I dont understand is why do these studies not just look at the news shows. Look at who is interviewed and what party said person is from. If there is a liberal bias then almost everyone on CNN and so on should be Democracts no? well they aint, in fact I often see more republicans than democrats. There is nothing wrong in this of course, as the republicans are in power and hence the offical word comes from that side, so its only natural.

Plus one thing the UCLA report in my opinion does not adresse at all.. what is bias and how do see bias. Mentioning one side or another depending on the story and the situation can not be counted on... if that was so, then the media was highly right wing biased these days as they constantly talk about republicans. Of course you can go and say, is the talking positive or negative and then the picture changes, but frankly most news is negative as thats thee news.. no one wants to hear that X person gave birth and are fine, but they do want to know that Y person is a pedofile or a crook.

But it is all down to what is bias. Is bias being critical of a goverment or person? Is bias going after said person for doing bad things? Is going after Foley bias against Republicans?
 
Deegan said:
What has the ACLU to do with the Media, and no, I never saw that in the report.

This is science, you seem to be the only one not accepting of it?:doh

Why are you asking me about the UCLA characterizing the ACLU as conservative, it's not my study.

This study scientific the same way that Intelligent Design is scientific :not at all.
 
I have long thought the mainstream media is decidedly left wing. Now there's proof.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs did an accounting of the network newscasts from September 5 thru October 22 and found an overwhelming liberal bias.

On the "Big Three" network newscasts, the audit showed a clear jihad against the Republican Party. Only 12 percent of election stories that aired on NBC, ABC, or CBS could be regarded as remotely "favorable" to Republicans.

In contrast, as The Washington Times put it this morning, "Democrats basked in glory." The study showed that 77 percent of news accounts in the six-week period offered favorable evaluations of Democratic candidates and lawmakers.

Robert Lichter, director of the CMPA, said: "The numbers are pretty striking. The coverage has become a referendum on Republican leadership."The killer stat from this study: Midterm elections in 2002 warranted only 35 stories from the "Big Three." Midterms in 2006 got 167 stories, and 77percent were pro-Dem.

Now, we've known for many years that reporters, editors and news executives are overwhelmingly liberal or Democrat. There really isn't much point debating that anymore. But what's changed here — this time around — is the willingness to come out of the closet. Instead of just tilting left in the story while pretending to be objective, the mask is now off. The mainstream media, typified by the "Big Three," is rooting for the Dems to win, and slant coverage to make it happen.

They want to make sure the conservative argument is shouted down, buried and made entirely disreputable. They do it with coverage: story selection, interview selection, sound bite selection and snarky scripts, and lead the viewers to their network conclusions that were set in stone at the 9 a.m. meeting.

These are people who think so little of their own vaunted tradition of objectivity that they are willing to throw it all away just to see their favorites win an election. And why is that?

It all comes down to Bush. It all comes down to the huge number of elites in this country who think it is their duty to bring the Bush era to an end, to bury it, and marginalize anyone who says Bush was really right all along.

Stand by. More of this is coming, especially if the Dems win and they get subpoena power. This is what they have been living for.

That's My Word.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226857,00.html
 
hipsterdufus said:
Why are you asking me about the UCLA characterizing the ACLU as conservative, it's not my study.

This study scientific the same way that evolution is scientific :not at all.

Fixed typo.
 

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