Outsourcing Helps the Poor (1 Viewer)

[gynks2001]

human nature is a bourgieous myth. You are not born a materialist consumerist who cannot survive without that plasma screen tv. On the contrary, you are shaped by your surroundings and the conditions you grow up in. If I grow up in a culture where I'm bombarded everyday with commercials, billboards, MTV and other materialist **** than yes I will most likely will be greedy. However, if I grow up in a hunter-gatherer tribe sharing everything with the rest of the tribe, than no I will not be Greedy. A society which encourages the equality and selflessness will eventually be made up of people who are not greedy.

Your always going to win this argument for one reason... Theres no proof that you're wrong. I think just about everyone agrees communism is a great idea on paper, the problem is, has been, and im pretty sure will always be, how to get that system to work in the real world. In the 60's there was an outbreak of communism/communist inspired govts. Now, just about all of them have shifted at least a little towards capitalism.
During post WWI era, when the western nations faced an economic depression, communist countries such as Russia seemed to be in a better position. However, the Russian economy, which was not affected by the Great Depression, was only a little bit better off then that of the US... and this is the worst off the US had ever been!
So, imagine what happened when the US economy got jumpstarted...Exactly, the 'communists' were outdone and couldnt keep up.

Again, you could argue that those govts were not communist, but they were working towards communism. It's impossibe to completely convert a society so fast... it takes numerous steps and lots of time. And the rewards dont seem to promising for a process that can be so hard and laborous.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Your always going to win this argument for one reason... Theres no proof that you're wrong.

So...you're giving up?

I think just about everyone agrees communism is a great idea on paper, the problem is, has been, and im pretty sure will always be, how to get that system to work in the real world.

That's a strawman arguement. I've provided countless counter-arguements.

During post WWI era, when the western nations faced an economic depression, communist countries such as Russia seemed to be in a better position. However, the Russian economy, which was not affected by the Great Depression, was only a little bit better off then that of the US... and this is the worst off the US had ever been!
So, imagine what happened when the US economy got jumpstarted...Exactly, the 'communists' were outdone and couldnt keep up.

Of course Russia was effected by WWI, they were fighting in it! It was on european soil! If anything it effected Russia even more! It's unfair to compare Russia to the US because Russia was living in the 18th century thanks to the Czar.

Again, you could argue that those govts were not communist, but they were working towards communism.

So they said...

It's impossibe to completely convert a society so fast... it takes numerous steps and lots of time. And the rewards dont seem to promising for a process that can be so hard and laborous.

One of the major mistakes made; too fast with too little support.

 

[gynks2001]

So...you're giving up?

That's a strawman arguement. I've provided countless counter-arguements.

yes... but the proof is against you... theres not one country that has been succesfully communist...

Of course Russia was effected by WWI, they were fighting in it! It was on european soil! If anything it effected Russia even more! It's unfair to compare Russia to the US because Russia was living in the 18th century thanks to the Czar.

nope...Russia stayed out of it. Do your research. They had just finished a civil war and decided they couldnt afford to fight in WW1. They were definately involved in WW2.

 

[LeftyHenry]

The proof was against democracy after Rome and Greece...

nope...Russia stayed out of it. Do your research. They had just finished a civil war and decided they couldnt afford to fight in WW1. They were definately involved in WW2.

Umm mmkay. Actually I think you need to do some research...

The Allied Powers, led by France,Russia, the United Kingdom, Italy, and later the United States, defeated the Central Powers: Austria-Hungary, Germany, Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_1

 

[gynks2001]

The proof was against democracy after Rome and Greece...

yes, and it still hasnt been succesful since. The US was meant to be, and for the most part is set up as a free republic, not a democracy, theres a difference.

mm mmkay. Actually I think you need to do some research...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_1

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WIKIPEDIA!! Is that a joke?? here... read this.
"Because of recent vandalism or other disruption, editing of this article by unregistered..." You call that a reliable source??:lol:
anyway, my bad, they were involved in the war, but they withdrew in 1917 due to riots and an outbreak of civil war.... Oh by the way, they got their arses wooped, maybe thats why I thought what i did...

 

[bismitch]

Rome was had a system very similar to the American political system. Greece(Athens) was truely different.

 

[LeftyHenry]

yes, and it still hasnt been succesful since. The US was meant to be, and for the most part is set up as a free republic, not a democracy, theres a difference.

Rome was a Republic and it failed. BTW you act like communism has been around for epochs when in reality it's only been around several revolutions.



[/QUOTE]
WIKIPEDIA!! Is that a joke?? here... read this.
"Because of recent vandalism or other disruption, editing of this article by unregistered..." You call that a reliable source??:lol:
anyway, my bad, they were involved in the war, but they withdrew in 1917 due to riots and an outbreak of civil war.... Oh by the way, they got their arses wooped, maybe thats why I thought what i did...[/QUOTE]

Dude it is reliable because a) from experience trying to vandalize wikipedia, they fix it within a minute, b) the article is now locked and can't be edited and c) there's an entire section on the "eastern front" and Russia's role.

If they didn't/weren't fighting in the war they wouldn't have had to apply the war communism policy.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

Hogwash. Lets take Ohio for example:

1. Unemployment is currently an estimated 5.7%. Keep in mind that Ohio has the 7th largest population in the nation.

2. We've experianced record job losses in the manufacturing industry (MANY of which can be attributed to outsourcing) which were predicted to be long-term in 2003. That prediction is correct and it is extremely alarming considering the fact that 2/3 of all jobs in Ohio are in the manufacturing industry.

3. We've experianced a large decrease (more than twice the national average decrease!) in average household income and per capita income.

4. We've seen a huge increase in the poverty rate. The city of Cincinnati now has the nation's eighth largest metropolitan poverty rate at 25%. Cleveland now has a staggering 32.4% poverty rate and was named as the nation's poorest city.

5. The top 20% income bracket recieves 62.3% of the tax cuts in Ohio. The vast majority of Ohioans only see a tax break on average of $2,585. It sounds decent until you factor in the average debt burden for each Ohioan which is $9,748.


Outsourcing doesn't help the poor; it creates the poor!

 

[128shot]

Hogwash. Lets take Ohio for example:





5. The top 20% income bracket recieves 62.3% of the tax cuts in Ohio. The vast majority of Ohioans only see a tax break on average of $2,585. It sounds decent until you factor in the average debt burden for each Ohioan which is $9,748.


Outsourcing doesn't help the poor; it creates the poor!

Ok, so why is the debt so high?

Whatever happend to save save save?

Something tells me they're living on credit.

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

Ok, so why is the debt so high?

Whatever happend to save save save?

Something tells me they're living on credit.

The individual debt burden is an average of what each American will have to pay in order to pay off the Federal debt incurred from paying for the tax cuts.

 

[128shot]

The individual debt burden is an average of what each American will have to pay in order to pay off the Federal debt incurred from paying for the tax cuts.

so you're saying the government creates poverty because they can't get a hold on their spending?

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

so you're saying the government creates poverty because they can't get a hold on their spending?

I couldn't say that the government creates poverty because of it's obscene spending practices but I can say that the government makes it exceedingly more difficult to escape an income bracket because of it's obscene spending practices.

 

[gynks2001]

here 2 good links for lefty and his friends...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-02-chinese-billionaires_x.htm


http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1834119,0002.htm