"Outfoxed" Propagandists Smear Walmart

[DeeJayH]

Hmm.. your father left...

Then your parents had 3 jobs. Did your Dad come back?
Also, 3 jobs means compared to my argument if they are not full time. You can't work 3 full time jobs, 5-6 days per week. Why? Because there are only 24 hours in a day, 3 full time shifts would mean that they would be working around the clock with no sleep for days until they get one shift off, and they still wouldn't get the amount of sleep necessary. My friend has worked part time jobs here and there, but I did not count them because they are not full time.

apologies, poor phrasing on my part
my parents divorced when i was 11-12 years old
He was a cop, who did what ever he had to to make extra money on the side including starting numerous business's like delivering brake parts to local service stations, a skateboard park, clearing trees after storms, than selling the trees for firewood, etc...
she was a legal secretary who worked parttime at Department stores and typed medical dictation as well on the side. Throughout my HS and college years, my mother, in order to support the family, typed medical dictation from 6am to midnight seven days a week. taking just a little bit of time to make dinner and go shopping. my brother and I made our own breakfast and lunch.

Do you realize how must it costs to move? Somewhere? I moved from Ft. Bragg to Charlotte, which is only 3 hours distance in driving, WITH the government moving all my possessions for me for free, and it was still extremely costly, with deposits for the home (900 dollars) plus getting electric setup (250), etc.
How does someone who lives paycheck to paycheck afford deposits in addition to moving thier belongings, if all thier money is used to pay for thier bills. You didn't think that one through very well..

where there is a will theres a way

When I say poor health, I mean unable to perform the physical requirements for the Military, in addition to being overweight. But, let me guess, its his fault he has obesity in his genes right?.

better than assuming, although you are doing it
if he is overweight due to diagnosable illness or other factor, i can sympathize, and i believe it would make him eligible for gov't aid. I have a friend with a weight problem. She is 5 feet tall, and weighs about 200 lbs. Yet she managed to climb the corporate ladder and is now the Head Purchaser for Victoria's Secret covering SouthEast Asia. She eats like a bird, and always orders chicken or fish while out. if he is fat because he does not manage his diet and exercise, than i have no sympathy for him
easy for me to say, since i have a fast metabolism and can eat anythign i want without gaining weight. But i have met alot of fat successful people. unless he is morbidly obese

Sometimes people don't get the lucky breaks that you received, but also don't get some of the bad breaks you receivedl.

ahhhh, the old 'won the life's lottery line
I fought for everything i have.
Since 1990, when i was given a 10% chance of making it to y2k, i didnt fold
I have since started 3 business since in an effort to be able to provide my son with something if i depart early
yet here it is 15 years later, and while there is still no cure, I am alive and working hard, despite the chronic pain i live in
where there is a will, there is a way
that which doesnt kill you only makes you stronger
these ar the words i live by, and it has served me well
there have been plenty of times i have despaired over the dire straits i have found myself in, but i keep going. its called sucking it up

are content to work and pay thier bills and attempt to be happy. I dont understand how you can judge them..

when working on Wall St. one of the favorite speeches our Company manager would give, is how envious he was of the Ticket Collectors on the Railroad. They have a low stress life, they do their job and go home to their family. And they are happy to do it. I am jealous of people who are content. No stress, no worries, but the way i see it, in all likelihood this is all there is, and we only get one ride on this merry-go-round called life. So I am intent on making as much of it as possible

 

[Caine]

when working on Wall St. one of the favorite speeches our Company manager would give, is how envious he was of the Ticket Collectors on the Railroad. They have a low stress life, they do their job and go home to their family. And they are happy to do it. I am jealous of people who are content. No stress, no worries, but the way i see it, in all likelihood this is all there is, and we only get one ride on this merry-go-round called life. So I am intent on making as much of it as possible

Nothing is wrong with making as much of it as possible. Not everyone has the potential for sucess, and thus have to settle to be what many conservatives on this site seem to think are "second class" citizens, thus you want to take Social Security/Welfare/Medicaid/Medicare/and Public Education out of the system, furthuring the gap between Rich and Poor and nearly eliminating the middle class (all into the poverty line of course).

 

[DeeJayH]

Nothing is wrong with making as much of it as possible. Not everyone has the potential for sucess, and thus have to settle to be what many conservatives on this site seem to think are "second class" citizens, thus you want to take Social Security/Welfare/Medicaid/Medicare/and Public Education out of the system, furthuring the gap between Rich and Poor and nearly eliminating the middle class (all into the poverty line of course).

just about every rep/con i know primarily wants Reform
and stricter enforcement
there is more than enough money in all the programs (except SS) to serve those truly in need
it is the waste that is bringing down these systems
but what should one expect when the government does what the private sector could do better

if you want to see what happens with such social policies
look to the socialist countries with stronger socialistic policies
cradle to grave entitlements = stagnant economies, high taxes, high unemployment
but who cares if you are out of work if you still live above the poverty line :roll:

The Euro socialist model will be the final down fall of a once great region of the world. Their power is dwindling. Their economies are flat, or barely growing. And their unemployment rates, make us the envy of their people
America's downfall is not threatened from without, but rather from within

 

[Caine]

just about every rep/con i know primarily wants Reform
and stricter enforcement
there is more than enough money in all the programs (except SS) to serve those truly in need
it is the waste that is bringing down these systems
but what should one expect when the government does what the private sector could do better

I highly doubt the private sector could serve the needs of the poor in the entire nation. I could be wrong, but also there would be alot of "hands in the cookie jar" going on.

The Euro socialist model will be the final down fall of a once great region of the world. Their power is dwindling. Their economies are flat, or barely growing. And their unemployment rates, make us the envy of their people
America's downfall is not threatened from without, but rather from within

Yep.... with political stunts like I watched on CSPAN today from the Senate, with the Republicans putting ANWAR Drilling in the Defense Apporpriations Bill that HAS to be passed before the end of the year. Thats Evil Sneaky Tactics. Im not saying the Democrats have never done this, I wouldn't know since I haven't been into politics that long, but **** like that ain't cool, too much unnecessary beauracracy is going to be the "from within" that and the last several Presidents we have had have been extremely crooked.
Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan.
Probably more in the past, but I don't feel the need to dig into the past, since it plays no importance on the issues.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Yes, Do you understand how hard that is for someone who works two jobs to pay rent/electricity/auto loan/credit cards used to purchase thier furniture/auto insurance/phone/etc (the basics)
I have a friend who is in this position, he has absolutely no time OR money to "get an education and learn a trade" ive told him that crap many times since I moved on and joined the army and 'learned a trade', but I haven't been in that situation so I can't even really speak on it.

You seem to have the attitude towards people who work at walmart that you are 'better' than them. I despiste this attitude, but its typical of a Republican fool.


As someone who is on unemployment until the Police Academy starts, I couldn't agree with this statement more. :mrgreen:

WAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAA ..... Get a fukin job that pays more for gods sake and stop complaining. Or do we need to start giving money away so people don't have to work. Your ringing a register.. If you want more out of life then go get it. If this is all you can do that STFU and do the best you can. But because you can't do better then walmart is no reason you should get paid 50k a year for it. I have worked for minimum wage a number of times in my life. I never expected it to be enough to pay all my bills....Thats kind of why it's called "minimum" wage

 

[Caine]

WAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAA ..... Get a fukin job that pays more for gods sake and stop complaining. Or do we need to start giving money away so people don't have to work. Your ringing a register.. If you want more out of life then go get it. If this is all you can do that STFU and do the best you can. But because you can't do better then walmart is no reason you should get paid 50k a year for it. I have worked for minimum wage a number of times in my life. I never expected it to be enough to pay all my bills....Thats kind of why it's called "minimum" wage

Im not talking about myself, so there goes that argument.

On a second note, I expect that you should learn to be more civil when you are posting outside of the Basement. This sort of attitude is uncivil, and its what starts uncivil arguments, so keep your rude comments to yourself.

Now, back to the issue at hand, nobody is saying that others should be given money that they don't deserve. However, I believe all jobs should pay enough where people can afford to actually live, Its called "Cost of Living". Many Businesses and Local Government jobs understand this and give a "Cost of Living" raise based on how prices for basic things necessities are going up, while thier wages are staying the same. Reguardless, thats now the issue.

Actually, I have no clue whatsoever how your post of rude comments has anything to do with the post you replied to, and your comments directed towards me obviously show you dont know how to comprehend what has been posted.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Im not talking about myself, so there goes that argument.

I was actualy talking in general, I don't really know you so I don't see how I can talk of you specifically.

On a second note, I expect that you should learn to be more civil when you are posting outside of the Basement. This sort of attitude is uncivil, and its what starts uncivil arguments, so keep your rude comments to yourself.

NO... I didn't insult you are defame or desparage you in anyway..

Now, back to the issue at hand, nobody is saying that others should be given money that they don't deserve. However, I believe all jobs should pay enough where people can afford to actually live, Its called "Cost of Living". Many Businesses and Local Government jobs understand this and give a "Cost of Living" raise based on how prices for basic things necessities are going up, while thier wages are staying the same. Reguardless, thats now the issue.

Actually, I have no clue whatsoever how your post of rude comments has anything to do with the post you replied to, and your comments directed towards me obviously show you dont know how to comprehend what has been posted.

And once again I will ask.....How much should you pay a guy that sweeps the floor or rings a register.

And upon this monumental raise that there going to get what do we do with all the people that are no longer working because the prices go up and the customers go to cheaper stores.

Nobody seems to want to answer those questions.

 

[Caine]

NO... I didn't insult you are defame or desparage you in anyway..

If you are going to speak in general, don't quote my posts then swear and curse and insult me. Reguardless, your post was not civil in the least.

And once again I will ask.....How much should you pay a guy that sweeps the floor or rings a register.

And upon this monumental raise that there going to get what do we do with all the people that are no longer working because the prices go up and the customers go to cheaper stores.

Nobody seems to want to answer those questions.

You should pay him enough to live off of without assistance from anyone, that is, if your so persistant in getting away with all forms of government living assistance like medicare/medicaid/welfare/social security (which includes programs for "low income housing assistance")

A guy who works for minimum wage can barely afford RENT in most places, let alone travel expenses, electricity, etc. Nobody should be forced to live without electricity, or should they be forced to put 3 minimum wage paid people in a studio apartment in order to afford this.

At the same time, I understand that minimum wage makes things more affordable. This is why I look both ways in this issue, but keeping the lower class guy in mind as well.

I dont understand how some people can be so selfish.

 

[Stace]

And once again I will ask.....How much should you pay a guy that sweeps the floor or rings a register.

You should pay that person enough for them to LIVE. If they weren't sweeping the floors or ringing the registers, your offices would be dirty and you wouldn't be able to purchase your groceries or clothing.

Their job may not be glamorous, but they need to have a roof over their family's heads and put food on the table, too.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

If you are going to speak in general, don't quote my posts then swear and curse and insult me. Reguardless, your post was not civil in the least.


You should pay him enough to live off of without assistance from anyone, that is, if your so persistant in getting away with all forms of government living assistance like medicare/medicaid/welfare/social security (which includes programs for "low income housing assistance")

A guy who works for minimum wage can barely afford RENT in most places, let alone travel expenses, electricity, etc. Nobody should be forced to live without electricity, or should they be forced to put 3 minimum wage paid people in a studio apartment in order to afford this.

At the same time, I understand that minimum wage makes things more affordable. This is why I look both ways in this issue, but keeping the lower class guy in mind as well.

I dont understand how some people can be so selfish.

So now the guy is making 30 - 40k a year to ring a register. Walmart lays off a large portion of its work force due to the rapid loss in profits. That being said. Now you get to deal with the people that actually have some training and skills wondering why this guy is getting paid the same as he is and he rings a register. Come to think about it why should I strive to be better. If I do the minimum needed I can take care of pretty much al my needs. I canget me GED and work in a Ice Cream store knowing I am going to make enough to take care of al my bills and needs. So since hard work seems to have lost a lot of its desired effect, minimal effort standar reward can reign supreme...

 

[Stinger]

You should pay that person enough for them to LIVE. If they weren't sweeping the floors or ringing the registers, your offices would be dirty and you wouldn't be able to purchase your groceries or clothing.

Their job may not be glamorous, but they need to have a roof over their family's heads and put food on the table, too.

How much is that?

 

[Calm2Chaos]

You should pay that person enough for them to LIVE. If they weren't sweeping the floors or ringing the registers, your offices would be dirty and you wouldn't be able to purchase your groceries or clothing.

Their job may not be glamorous, but they need to have a roof over their family's heads and put food on the table, too.

And since minimum wage is not enough how much is?????????????

 

[Stace]

How much is that?

Depends on where they live....that's what I don't like about having a national minimum wage.....my friend who lived in Oklahoma paid about $350 a month for a one bedroom apartment, but I have never lived in an area where you can get anything decent for under $575 a month. Minimum wage needs to based on the cost of living in a state, or even within different regions of each state, depending on the economic status of certain areas.

Paying someone $5.15 an hour just isn't enough.

 

[Caine]

So now the guy is making 30 - 40k a year to ring a register. Walmart lays off a large portion of its work force due to the rapid loss in profits. That being said. Now you get to deal with the people that actually have some training and skills wondering why this guy is getting paid the same as he is and he rings a register. Come to think about it why should I strive to be better. If I do the minimum needed I can take care of pretty much al my needs. I canget me GED and work in a Ice Cream store knowing I am going to make enough to take care of al my bills and needs. So since hard work seems to have lost a lot of its desired effect, minimal effort standar reward can reign supreme...

Nobody said you had to pay them enough to live like everyone else.

I think an increase in minimum wage to around 6.50 per hour should be enough to BARELY live off of, AS A SINGLE person, and still keep financial assistance programs in place, but you could cut spending on them.

 

[Caine]

And since minimum wage is not enough how much is?????????????

Stace has apoint.
Think about it this way, I served in the Army with a guy who used to live in a $1200 one bedroom shithole in New York City. Had to live inside the city because they couldn't afford thier own transportation. He had to have 5 other people live with him in order to make it on thier own. That is ridiculous.
In some areas of the country, 5.15 an hour very well may be enough, but its not enough for everyone.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Nobody said you had to pay them enough to live like everyone else.

I think an increase in minimum wage to around 6.50 per hour should be enough to BARELY live off of, AS A SINGLE person, and still keep financial assistance programs in place, but you could cut spending on them.

But there already getting paid between 7-9 an hour....

I don't think of a minimum wage job as a carrer. I think of it as a supplement to an income. If this is what you have as a carrer there are a lot bigger issues then walmart

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Depends on where they live....that's what I don't like about having a national minimum wage.....my friend who lived in Oklahoma paid about $350 a month for a one bedroom apartment, but I have never lived in an area where you can get anything decent for under $575 a month. Minimum wage needs to based on the cost of living in a state, or even within different regions of each state, depending on the economic status of certain areas.

Paying someone $5.15 an hour just isn't enough.

Then how much.. I want an average.. Doesn't have to be exact.

By the way what about people that commute to there job or cross a state line.

I am still waiting for what someone thinks is a good minimum wage for sweeping a floor

 

[Caine]

But there already getting paid between 7-9 an hour....

I don't think of a minimum wage job as a carrer. I think of it as a supplement to an income. If this is what you have as a carrer there are a lot bigger issues then walmart

Well, some people DO have this sort of job as a career.
Not everyone has the same opportunities to receive a good education, thats obvious by the mount of illiterate adults we have in the nation, not saying its alot compared to other countries, but, could you imagine being illiterate as an adult?

 

[Stace]

But there already getting paid between 7-9 an hour....

I don't think of a minimum wage job as a carrer. I think of it as a supplement to an income. If this is what you have as a carrer there are a lot bigger issues then walmart

Not everyone makes that much. There ARE people that have to make ends meet off of less.

There are people out there that can't afford the higher education necessary to obtain a higher paying job. So yes, for some people, Wal Mart IS a career.

 

[Stace]

Then how much.. I want an average.. Doesn't have to be exact.

By the way what about people that commute to there job or cross a state line.

I am still waiting for what someone thinks is a good minimum wage for sweeping a floor

Well, let's see here....According to my calculations, in order for someone to make $1500 a month, working 40 hours a week for 4 weeks, they'd need to make a little over $9 an hour.

And that's before taxes even....and most people need more than $1500 a month to pay the bills.

As far as commuting, well, obviously, they need even more money to afford gas/bus fare/train tickets/what have you. If you cross the state line, chances are you live pretty close to it, and typically, the cost of living isn't going to vary that much in areas that close together, so that most likely wouldn't be an issue.

 

[DeeJayH]

You should pay that person enough for them to LIVE. If they weren't sweeping the floors or ringing the registers, your offices would be dirty and you wouldn't be able to purchase your groceries or clothing.

Their job may not be glamorous, but they need to have a roof over their family's heads and put food on the table, too.

what the hell is someone doing having a family when all they can earn is minimum wage
yeah i know, he had a better job and lost it
well than you do what everyone else has done. You get 2 jobs, or 3 jobs to support your family
you suck it up
NOT make excuses

 

[DeeJayH]

Not everyone makes that much. There ARE people that have to make ends meet off of less.

There are people out there that can't afford the higher education necessary to obtain a higher paying job. So yes, for some people, Wal Mart IS a career.

problems happen to people all the time
it is how you deal with them that makes the difference between being poor and being successful

all i hear from you is Excuses.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Well, let's see here....According to my calculations, in order for someone to make $1500 a month, working 40 hours a week for 4 weeks, they'd need to make a little over $9 an hour.

And that's before taxes even....and most people need more than $1500 a month to pay the bills.

As far as commuting, well, obviously, they need even more money to afford gas/bus fare/train tickets/what have you. If you cross the state line, chances are you live pretty close to it, and typically, the cost of living isn't going to vary that much in areas that close together, so that most likely wouldn't be an issue.

So your now moving closer to 20k a year to sweep a floor.. Thats some pretty amazing money to sweep a floor.. Course once prices go up it's a moot point since he won't have a job.

Who said anything about a higher education. I make over 60k a year with 0 higher education whatsoever. These seem like a lot of excuses to help someone get buy that just doesn't want to put the effort out. Now this isn't a blanket statement. I have no doubt that there are people out there in situations that just couldn't be forseen or avoided. But leaving those out of the mix. Instead of demanding more for less how about you just look for alternatives, different carrer moves. If walmart is going to be your career thats fine. My understanding is there management can make pretty okay money. But if your going to ring a register for the rest of your life then you are going to make between 6-9 bux an hour, exactly what there getting paid now

 

[Calm2Chaos]

If I have to pay EVERY employee enough to "live on"... You have single handedly destroyed the small buisness man, and low prices. Now we have high prices high unemployment but those floor sweepers and counter attendents, the guy that takes your ticket to a movie are making 20 -25k a year so all is good

 

[Stace]

problems happen to people all the time
it is how you deal with them that makes the difference between being poor and being successful

all i hear from you is Excuses.

If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. It's that simple.

Where am I making excuses? I pay my frickin' bills.