OSCE Says Hungarian, Serbian Elections Marred By 'Absence' Of Level Playing Fields

[Rogue Valley]

OSCE Says Hungarian, Serbian Elections Marred By 'Absence' Of Level Playing Fields

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) says weekend elections in both Serbia and Hungary were marred by their "absence" of level playing fields.

www.rferl.org

4.4.22
The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) says weekend elections in both Serbia and Hungary were marred by their "absence" of level playing fields. The OSCE said in a statement on April 4 that in Hungary, voting was well run and offered "distinct" alternatives, but its mission of 312 observers from 45 countries found the balloting was damaged "by the pervasive overlapping of government and ruling coalition's messaging that blurred the line between state and party, as well as by media bias and opaque campaign funding." In an unprecedented move for an EU member state, the OSCE deployed a full monitoring mission for the vote amid concerns over potential election fraud and the use of state resources to give the ruling party an unfair advantage. The OSCE also criticized a tandem referendum held on a new law banning the portrayal of LGBT people to those under 18 years of age. "The legal framework for the referendum held on the same day as the elections was largely inadequate for a democratic process and did not provide equal opportunities for referendum campaigns," the OSCE said of the plebiscite, which failed due to a lack of ballots cast. Many have criticized the referendum since the controversial law was already approved last year.

The OSCE was similarly critical of presidential and parliamentary elections held in neighboring Serbia the same day. The OSCE said they too were held on "an uneven playing field" with a number of shortcomings tipping the process in favor of the incumbents. "This was a competitive campaign and, importantly, included opposition candidates this time, but the pervasive influence of the ruling parties gave them undue advantage," said Kyriakos Hadjiyianni, special coordinator and leader of the OSCE short-term observers. Early official results showed President Aleksandar Vucic easily winning a second five-year term in office, while his ruling Serbian Progressive Party (SNS) also took the most votes. Throughout the campaign, his critics complained that the president had tightened his grip on power through his control of the media and government to a point where a survey last month by the pollster Demostat showed 43 percent of the country didn't believe the elections would be free or fair.

The OSCE complaints are hardly surprising. What I do find somewhet surprising is that Hungarians continue to vote for Orban and his rabidly nationalist Fidesz party.

In addition, why do Hungarians, who suffered under the Soviet yoke, vote for Viktor Orban who is in cahoots with Russian president Vladimir Putin, a war criminal and international pariah?

Hungary's nationalist leader Orban criticizes Ukraine's Zelenskyy in election victory speech

Hungary's nationalist leader Viktor Orban on Sunday dubbed his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, an opponent.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Grandpappy]

Do you see this as something that may influence other European countries?

 

[Mycroft]

OSCE Says Hungarian, Serbian Elections Marred By 'Absence' Of Level Playing Fields

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) says weekend elections in both Serbia and Hungary were marred by their "absence" of level playing fields.

www.rferl.org

The OSCE complaints are hardly surprising. What I do find somewhet surprising is that Hungarians continue to vote for Orban and his rabidly nationalist Fidesz party.

In addition, why do Hungarians, who suffered under the Soviet yoke, vote for Viktor Orban who is in cahoots with Russian president Vladimir Putin, a war criminal and international pariah?

Hungary's nationalist leader Orban criticizes Ukraine's Zelenskyy in election victory speech

Hungary's nationalist leader Viktor Orban on Sunday dubbed his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, an opponent.

www.cnbc.com

The Globalists are really upset...and they are right to be. People voting for politicians who have their nation's best interest at heart is not a good thing. (At least, from the Globalist point of view.)

 

[Infinite Chaos]

The Globalists

Wow do some of you people love to focus on fake Bogeymen to the cost of everything else.

I take it you ignored the findings that Hungary effectively limited the democratic process just so you could tilt at a Windmill and call it a great victory for whatever politics you follow?

 

[Mycroft]

Wow do some of you people love to focus on fake Bogeymen to the cost of everything else.

The Globalists are not fake. They are real...and they are dangerous.

I take it you ignored the findings that Hungary effectively limited the democratic process just so you could tilt at a Windmill and call it a great victory for whatever politics you follow?

I didn't ignore any claims. I just haven't seen any proof of those claims.

I don't tilt at windmills.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

The Globalists are not fake. They are real...and they are dangerous.

Bogeymen. What exactly is a Globalist then in your estimation?

I don't tilt at windmills.

You did by introducing them as a diversion from the subject which is that Hungary has demonstrably minimised Democratic freedoms. Or is that what you feel is a "globalist?" Someone who espouses democratic values and the right of people to elect politicians freely and that those politicians have equal access to put their voices and opinions across?

 

[Mycroft]

Bogeymen. What exactly is a Globalist then in your estimation?

I have provided the dictionary definition of Globalist numerous time. Do a forum search and you'll know what it is.

You did by introducing them as a diversion from the subject which is that Hungary has demonstrably minimised Democratic freedoms. Or is that what you feel is a "globalist?" Someone who espouses democratic values and the right of people to elect politicians freely and that those politicians have equal access to put their voices and opinions across?

Globalists don't give a rat's ass about democratic values and the right of people to elect politicians freely. (Unless they are politicians the Globalists have bought and paid for.)

 

[PeteEU]

Wow do some of you people love to focus on fake Bogeymen to the cost of everything else.

I take it you ignored the findings that Hungary effectively limited the democratic process just so you could tilt at a Windmill and call it a great victory for whatever politics you follow?

Globalist is code for Jews.... has been for over 100 years.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

OSCE Says Hungarian, Serbian Elections Marred By 'Absence' Of Level Playing Fields

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) says weekend elections in both Serbia and Hungary were marred by their "absence" of level playing fields.

www.rferl.org

The OSCE complaints are hardly surprising. What I do find somewhet surprising is that Hungarians continue to vote for Orban and his rabidly nationalist Fidesz party.

In addition, why do Hungarians, who suffered under the Soviet yoke, vote for Viktor Orban who is in cahoots with Russian president Vladimir Putin, a war criminal and international pariah?

Hungary's nationalist leader Orban criticizes Ukraine's Zelenskyy in election victory speech

Hungary's nationalist leader Viktor Orban on Sunday dubbed his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, an opponent.

www.cnbc.com

I’m sure a color revolution is already being planned. Hopefully Orban has plans ready to put one down. European connected interests tried to overturn Democracy in Turkey and failed, they succeeded in Ukraine twice, they failed in Belarus and Kazakhstan.

Now I hope the Hungarians have been paying attention, they need to have plans ready to crush any disruptive protests and in necessary arm Fidesz voters if it should come to it.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Bogeymen. What exactly is a Globalist then in your estimation?



You did by introducing them as a diversion from the subject which is that Hungary has demonstrably minimised Democratic freedoms. Or is that what you feel is a "globalist?" Someone who espouses democratic values and the right of people to elect politicians freely and that those politicians have equal access to put their voices and opinions across?

Well clearly you’re not espousing democratic values since Orban won a free election and it wasn’t even close and you’re trying to find some way to claim it was fraudulent.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Globalist is code for Jews.... has been for over 100 years.

In fact many prominent globalists are Jewish, but the word globalist is not a code for “Jews”

For example, Israel is a Jewish state that is despised by the globalists and does not further globalism.

 

[PeteEU]

In fact many prominent globalists are Jewish, but the word globalist is not a code for “Jews”

Bullshit. The term globalist was a slur used against bankers early on in the 1900s and late 1800s and since the biggest bankers were Jewish, it became synonymous with Jews and is very anti-Semitic. The slur was also used by the right against "socialists"... who´s leaders were often.. Jews.

For example, Israel is a Jewish state that is despised by the globalists and does not further globalism.

LOL that is hilarious. Israel is not a Jewish state. And the so called "globalists" were the ones pushing for the creation of the state of Israel back in the day.

But please... define what "globalists" are before this continues....

 

[Grandpappy]

glob·al·ist
/ˈɡlōbəlist/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.
adjective
relating to or advocating the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.


I don't see any mention of Jews in this dictionary definition.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Bullshit. The term globalist was a slur used against bankers early on in the 1900s and late 1800s and since the biggest bankers were Jewish,

You’re making a leap in logic. You’re saying that because globalists referred to “bankers” and “the biggest bankers were Jewish” “globalist” is therefore a term meaning “Jews” generally.

That’s a conclusion that does not stem from the premises

it became synonymous with Jews and is very anti-Semitic. The slur was also used by the right against "socialists"... who´s leaders were often.. Jews.

Well I mean it’s kind of funny because you’re communicating more anti-Semitic theory then I am. “The banks and the commies really were run by the Jews and therefore calling them out is anti-semitism” lol.

LOL that is hilarious. Israel is not a Jewish state.

It is explicitly one. I don’t know where this idea is coming from, but my guess is you have some tortured definition that wouldn’t be accepted in general conversation.

And the so called "globalists" were the ones pushing for the creation of the state of Israel back in the day.

Indeed, many big and powerful interests were interested in Israel because the leaders of communist movements and finance capital were sometimes Jewish, and the relation quickly soured because it turns out that these Jews were actually rich white atheists with ethnic pedigree. See lower to middle class Jews who were actually religious think just like their counterparts around the world do, and they created a nationalist ethnostate and shunned the ideas of the communists and global finance capital. Which is why Israel is so hated by the monied class today and why they’re trying to destroy Israel.

But please... define what "globalists" are before this continues....
Persons in positions of power and influence who want to break down national boundaries and cultures, destroy the bonds of ethnicity, and govern the world via an aggressive supranational order. To this end they utilize things like free trade, open borders, international organizations, and international destabilization of non compliant regimes to achieve this end

 

[EMNofSeattle]

glob·al·ist
/ˈɡlōbəlist/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.
adjective
relating to or advocating the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.


I don't see any mention of Jews in this dictionary definition.

It’s not in there. He has to go back to the 19th century to claim “globalist” meant Jews. I have never actually seen the word “globalist” published in 19th century books, so my guess is whatever it’s use in 1899, it wasn’t a common term and therefore I can’t verify this other than him claiming it.

Even if true though, that’s not what it means today.

 

[PeteEU]

You’re making a leap in logic. You’re saying that because globalists referred to “bankers” and “the biggest bankers were Jewish” “globalist” is therefore a term meaning “Jews” generally.

That’s a conclusion that does not stem from the premises

Globalist | #TranslateHate

Translate Hate was created by American Jewish Committee (AJC) to explain antisemitism. This glossary aims to improve media literacy on antisemitism and hate, especially in the digital realm. See when Globalist is antisemitic.

www.ajc.org

Well I mean it’s kind of funny because you’re communicating more anti-Semitic theory then I am. “The banks and the commies really were run by the Jews and therefore calling them out is anti-semitism” lol.

LOL at yourself. All I am pointing out is what anti-Semites believe and state all the time. Many of these anti-Semites going back 100+ years are conservatives. Do I believe this bullcrap? Of course not... I actually understand history.

It is explicitly one. I don’t know where this idea is coming from, but my guess is you have some tortured definition that wouldn’t be accepted in general conversation.

In what constitution does it state that the State of Israel is a Jewish state. Being a "religion" state means no other religions are allowed. So that must mean there are no Israeli Christian or Muslims right?

Indeed, many big and powerful interests were interested in Israel because the leaders of communist movements and finance capital were sometimes Jewish, and the relation quickly soured because it turns out that these Jews were actually rich white atheists with ethnic pedigree. See lower to middle class Jews who were actually religious think just like their counterparts around the world do, and they created a nationalist ethnostate and shunned the ideas of the communists and global finance capital. Which is why Israel is so hated by the monied class today and why they’re trying to destroy Israel.

LOL more bullshit. Israel is "hated" for their actions against muslims. But funny enough, you basically prove my point with this drivel.

Persons in positions of power and influence who want to break down national boundaries and cultures, destroy the bonds of ethnicity, and govern the world via an aggressive supranational order. To this end they utilize things like free trade, open borders, international organizations, and international destabilization of non compliant regimes to achieve this end

Ahh yes

Fits perfectly with https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/globalist.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Globalist | #TranslateHate

Translate Hate was created by American Jewish Committee (AJC) to explain antisemitism. This glossary aims to improve media literacy on antisemitism and hate, especially in the digital realm. See when Globalist is antisemitic.

www.ajc.org

It doesn’t shock me you need to count on someone else’s work to support your arguments since you can’t really defend this idea yourself.

LOL at yourself. All I am pointing out is what anti-Semites believe and state all the time. Many of these anti-Semites going back 100+ years are conservatives. Do I believe this bullcrap? Of course not... I actually understand history.

And you said, seemingly unironically, without quotes or attribution to someone else that “the socialists leaders were often Jews” after saying the biggest bankers were “Jews” this is your work you are writing.

In what constitution does it state that the State of Israel is a Jewish state. Being a "religion" state means no other religions are allowed. So that must mean there are no Israeli Christian or Muslims right?

No, that’s not what that means. Every country in earth has minority populations, some countries like South Africa pre-1994 or Syria have a governing coalition that’s comprised of the minority. That’s not common, but in the end every country has people in it that are not necessarily part of the ruling class or national character.

LOL more bullshit. Israel is "hated" for their actions against muslims. But funny enough, you basically prove my point with this drivel.

I mean the Muslims are kind of a cause for both spurned liberals and right nationalist anti-semites used against Israel. I don’t think either group though sees the Palestinian Arabs as anything other than pawns.

Ahh yes

Fits perfectly with https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/globalist.

Again, I’m not going with you plaigerizing someone else’s work.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

[
In what constitution does it state that the State of Israel is a Jewish state.

Full text of Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People - Wikisource, the free online library

en.m.wikisource.org

1. Basic principles

A. The land of Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established.

B. The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious and historical right to self-determination.

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.
Snip

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I have provided the dictionary definition of Globalist numerous time. Do a forum search and you'll know what it is.

Dodge. If you tend to use the word "Globalist" as an epithet then there will be hundreds of posts. Give me the thread you specifically explained it and I'll search that.

Globalists don't give a rat's ass about democratic values and the right of people to elect politicians freely.

Until you expand on what a "globalist" is then nothing you post has any worth for discussion.

Well clearly you’re not espousing democratic values since Orban won a free election and it wasn’t even close and you’re trying to find some way to claim it was fraudulent.

Hungary does not score well on the democracy index. 78th on the table of 176 is not something worth boasting about.

Ranking

www.democracymatrix.com

Onus is on you to prove Hungary is better placed than that.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Dodge. If you tend to use the word "Globalist" as an epithet then there will be hundreds of posts. Give me the thread you specifically explained it and I'll search that.



Until you expand on what a "globalist" is then nothing you post has any worth for discussion.



Hungary does not score well on the democracy index. 78th on the table of 176 is not something worth boasting about.

Ranking

www.democracymatrix.com

Onus is on you to prove Hungary is better placed than that.

The so called “democracy index”
Is actually a “leftism index”

Weirdly enough Ukraine scores lower than Hungary and yet is being held as an example of liberal democracy

 

[Mycroft]

Dodge. If you tend to use the word "Globalist" as an epithet then there will be hundreds of posts. Give me the thread you specifically explained it and I'll search that.



Until you expand on what a "globalist" is then nothing you post has any worth for discussion.

Don't be lazy. I told you where to find it.

Hungary does not score well on the democracy index. 78th on the table of 176 is not something worth boasting about.

Ranking

www.democracymatrix.com

Onus is on you to prove Hungary is better placed than that.

I'll leave it up to the people of Hungary to decide instead of taking some left wing site's opinion.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

The so called “democracy index”
Is actually a “leftism index”

Give me an alternative democracy indicator then? If you are simply going to rubbish sources, then prove you have more accurate ones?

Weirdly enough Ukraine scores lower than Hungary and yet is being held as an example of liberal democracy

Ukraine is not and has not been called a liberal democracy by me or anyone else I know. May I remind you, the discussion is Hungary.

Don't be lazy. I told you where to find it.

No, you simply demonstrate that you never did any such thing as explain what Globalists are and you are now running scared as your definition won't cut muster.

I'll leave it up to the people of Hungary to decide instead of taking some left wing site's opinion.

They decided again to go with Orban, simple enough to see. When the EU free money dries up then we'll see how popular he is.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Give me an alternative democracy indicator then? If you are simply going to rubbish sources, then prove you have more accurate ones?

Sure, a highly democratic state is one where the voters or the elected parliament has total control over the bureaucracy and the courts.

Ukraine is not and has not been called a liberal democracy by me or anyone else I know. May I remind you, the discussion is Hungary.

I don’t care what you or your personal friends say. You are nobodies.

No, you simply demonstrate that you never did any such thing as explain what Globalists are and you are now running scared as your definition won't cut muster.

I Gave a quick and concise definition of the term. You apparently do not like it, but that is not my problem.

They decided again to go with Orban, simple enough to see. When the EU free money dries up then we'll see how popular he is.

We will see how long the EU is stalling when Marine Le Pen gets elected president of France.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Sure, a highly democratic state is one where the voters or the elected parliament has total control over the bureaucracy and the courts.

Flawed argument. Hungary has put in place all sorts of restrictions on the independence of the judiciary and in a democratic state, there need to be checks and balances. International monitors of the elections disagree all the bullshit you are spouting.

I don’t care what you or your personal friends say. You are nobodies.

Stupid comment. The thread is about Hungary - you are insinuating Ukraine in as some form of deflection.

I Gave a quick and concise definition of the term. You apparently do not like it, but that is not my problem.

The comment you reply to was not aimed at you.

We will see how long the EU is stalling when Marine Le Pen gets elected president of France.

The comment you reply to was not aimed at you. However Marine will have the same fate as her father.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Flawed argument. Hungary has put in place all sorts of restrictions on the independence of the judiciary and in a democratic state, there need to be checks and balances. International monitors of the elections disagree all the bullshit you are spouting.

No, it’s the opposite. “Checks and balances” are anti-democratic. The purpose of “checks and balancs is (by design I might add) to ensure there are elite centers of power independent from direct voter control. So having a bureaucracy and courts that can thwart political leaders elected by the people or prevent the democratic will from being implemented as an anti-democratic element.

Stupid comment. The thread is about Hungary - you are insinuating Ukraine in as some form of deflection.

People around the west, including your country’s government, and one half inch away from war and they’re posturing into this position on the idea Ukraine is a fellow “liberal democracy” and yet by Europe’s own standards Ukraine is more repressive than Hungary

The comment you reply to was not aimed at you.



The comment you reply to was not aimed at you. However Marine will have the same fate as her father.

Lol