• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

OSCE Calls on Russia to Investigate 'Grave' Rights Abuses in Chechnya

Rogue Valley

Exordium and Terminus
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
66,083
Reaction score
50,411
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
OSCE Calls on Russia to Investigate 'Grave' Rights Abuses in Chechnya | The Moscow Times

1481133397_1295171379.jpg

Ramzan Kadyrov (C) Chechen warlord and strongman.

Europe’s OSCE security body has accused Russia of shielding human rights abusers in its southern republic of Chechnya instead of investigating accusations of extrajudicial killings. Chechen authorities led by Ramzan Kadyrov have been accused of kidnapping and torturing suspected jihadists, drug users, activists and sexual minorities. An investigation into the claims by the Novaya Gazeta newspaper in January 2017 named 27 Chechens it said were subjected to extrajudicial killings in the North Caucasus republic. The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) said in a report Thursday that “[t]here can hardly be any doubt” that allegations of widespread human rights violations in Chechnya are credible, based on interviews with victims, witnesses, lawyers and local and international organizations. “However, no evidence could be found about cases where law enforcement officers were brought to justice,” it said.

A senior member of the U.S. mission to the OSCE said the 16 countries that called for the investigation “will remain seized of the horrific human rights situation” and keep pressing Russia to “end impunity in Chechnya.” “We urge Russia to muster the political will to do so,” acting deputy chief of mission Gregory Macris told the OSCE’s permanent council in Vienna on Thursday. Moscow’s emailed response declining the OSCE rapporteur’s request to visit Russia to draft the report called the accusations of rights abuses in Chechnya “biased and groundless.” Russia declined to appoint a second expert and called the OSCE’s so-called human dimension mechanisms “outdated and redundant.”

Strongman Ramzan Kadyrov manages the Republic of Chechnya for Vladimir Putin with an iron fist. Dozens of Russian journalists, among them Anna Politkovskaya, have been murdered for reporting on the brutality of the Kadrov regime. The rumors say Kadyrov has a special personal villa dedicated to torturing regime opponents and citizens of the LGBT community. It was former Kadyrov henchmen who [supposedly] assassinated Russian political activist Boris Nemtsov within a block of the Kremlin in 2015. Kadyrov has also sent Chechen forces into eastern Ukraine. It goes without saying that Vladimir Putin will continue to turn a blind eye to these abuses in Chechnya. He prefers having the warlord Kadyrov keep the Chechen Muslims on a short and painful leash.

Related: OSCE Cites Torture, Executions Among 'Grave' Rights Violations In Chechnya
 

Hawkeye10

Buttermilk Man
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 29, 2015
Messages
45,404
Reaction score
11,744
Location
Olympia Wa
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
OSCE Calls on Russia to Investigate 'Grave' Rights Abuses in Chechnya | The Moscow Times

1481133397_1295171379.jpg

Ramzan Kadyrov (C) Chechen warlord and strongman.



Strongman Ramzan Kadyrov manages the Republic of Chechnya for Vladimir Putin with an iron fist. Dozens of Russian journalists, among them Anna Politkovskaya, have been murdered for reporting on the brutality of the Kadrov regime. The rumors say Kadyrov has a special personal villa dedicated to torturing regime opponents and citizens of the LGBT community. It was former Kadyrov henchmen who [supposedly] assassinated Russian political activist Boris Nemtsov within a block of the Kremlin in 2015. Kadyrov has also sent Chechen forces into eastern Ukraine. It goes without saying that Vladimir Putin will continue to turn a blind eye to these abuses in Chechnya. He prefers having the warlord Kadyrov keep the Chechen Muslims on a short and painful leash.

Related: OSCE Cites Torture, Executions Among 'Grave' Rights Violations In Chechnya

Putin couldn't care less what the OSCE wants.
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
OSCE Calls on Russia to Investigate 'Grave' Rights Abuses in Chechnya | The Moscow Times

1481133397_1295171379.jpg

Ramzan Kadyrov (C) Chechen warlord and strongman.



Strongman Ramzan Kadyrov manages the Republic of Chechnya for Vladimir Putin with an iron fist. Dozens of Russian journalists, among them Anna Politkovskaya, have been murdered for reporting on the brutality of the Kadrov regime. The rumors say Kadyrov has a special personal villa dedicated to torturing regime opponents and citizens of the LGBT community. It was former Kadyrov henchmen who [supposedly] assassinated Russian political activist Boris Nemtsov within a block of the Kremlin in 2015. Kadyrov has also sent Chechen forces into eastern Ukraine. It goes without saying that Vladimir Putin will continue to turn a blind eye to these abuses in Chechnya. He prefers having the warlord Kadyrov keep the Chechen Muslims on a short and painful leash.

Related: OSCE Cites Torture, Executions Among 'Grave' Rights Violations In Chechnya

Chechnya is the worst place to be in the world, 90% all refugees in Germany from Chechnya . its an Islamic , tribal state, which won 2 wars against Muscovy , and Muscovy pays than yearly contribution 300% its budget
 

Westphalian

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 16, 2018
Messages
2,644
Reaction score
282
Location
East
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
Putin couldn't care less what the OSCE wants.


Yes, that's a fair enough assessment. Russia doesn't take orders from the OSCE and neither would Washington or Beijing.
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
"Russia" doesn't take orders from the OSCE " you will you will
 

Westphalian

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 16, 2018
Messages
2,644
Reaction score
282
Location
East
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
"Russia" doesn't take orders from the OSCE " you will you will


Not all states are like Lithuania - taking orders from everyone :roll:.
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
ulus you are not usa or china not even close , you are Somalia in snow

eu8_S0HTtNOQk2IGJ6z2xdMshxuDoPLsB7OUb46CHho.png


where is your gas - station here?
 

Lord Tammerlain

DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 25, 2010
Messages
21,742
Reaction score
9,575
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Chechnya is the worst place to be in the world, 90% all refugees in Germany from Chechnya . its an Islamic , tribal state, which won 2 wars against Muscovy , and Muscovy pays than yearly contribution 300% its budget

The Chechen population is around 1 million, the number of refugees in Germany is around 1.7 million. By your measure, Chechnya should be empty right now
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
The Chechen population is around 1 million, the number of refugees in Germany is around 1.7 million. By your measure, Chechnya should be empty right now

olgino, Chechens are 90% of all Muscovite refugees


this is reality of bamboo Putlerstan
"Gay Concentration Camps Reported In Chechnya"
hqdefault.jpg

london-protest-chechnya-2017.jpg

C9MWCCUUIAEUaLD.jpg
 

Hawkeye10

Buttermilk Man
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 29, 2015
Messages
45,404
Reaction score
11,744
Location
Olympia Wa
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
Yes, that's a fair enough assessment. Russia doesn't take orders from the OSCE and neither would Washington or Beijing.

The disrespect of Russia continues, like that has worked out so well for the west?

If The New Chinese Empire does clean our clocks history will record that we deserved our fate.
 

Hawkeye10

Buttermilk Man
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 29, 2015
Messages
45,404
Reaction score
11,744
Location
Olympia Wa
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Other
much like Hitler and Mussolini before him couldn't care less what UN wanted ...

The UN was formed after both men were dead.

I encourage you to look into an information upgrade.
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
The UN was formed after both men were dead.

I encourage you to look into an information upgrade.

putlerists&olino trolls Putler is a new Hitler , its a fact , get over it "WW2: Italy invades Ethiopia. In 1935, the League of Nations was faced with another crucial test. Benito Mussolini, the Fascist leader of Italy, had adopted Adolf Hitler's plans to expand German territories by acquiring all territories it considered German."
 

Rogue Valley

Exordium and Terminus
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
66,083
Reaction score
50,411
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Russian Investigators Determined Two Men Were Shot In The Head At Chechen 'Prison For Gays'

12/24/18
According to documents from Russia's Investigative Committee obtained by the independent Novaya Gazeta newspaper, two Chechen men who were killed in 2017 in a Chechen "prison for gays" were shot in the head at close range. On December 24, the newspaper published a report saying that Shoto-Shamil Akayev and Ayub Ibragimov were shot on March 30, 2017, a few weeks after they went missing on February 6. Chechen officials have said the two men were shot while trying to escape. The Novaya Gazeta report cites documents from the Russian Investigative Committee's investigation into a complaint by Maksim Lapunov, who alleges he was abducted in Chechnya in October 2017 and held in a basement because he was homosexual. He said he was beaten in an effort to force him to name Chechens with whom he had sexual relations. Lapunov's testimony reveals that "dozens" of other people were held in the same "prison for gays" when he was there. He said that he saw both Akayev and Ibragimov there.

The Investigative Committee's report concludes that the two men were killed but no criminal investigation was opened because "the circumstances laid out in Lapunov's complaint about his illegal detention were not objectively confirmed. On December 20, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe heard a report about human rights violations of human rights between January 1, 2017, and January 31, 2018. A large part of the report was devoted to the republic's campaign against gays, which reached a peak in February-March 2017. The report upbraids the Russian government for failing to investigate the reports or hold anyone accountable.

Gays are openly attacked and beaten in Russia without consequence. In Russia's Chechnya region, they are kidnapped by the government of Ramzan Kadyrov, tortured, and oftentimes murdered without consequence. Despite an OSCE report demanding that Moscow investigate such allegations, the Putin regime is itself a willing accomplice in its low-intensity war against the LGBT community.
 

beerftw

proud ammosexual
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2011
Messages
18,753
Reaction score
5,452
Location
kekistan
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Socialist
Chechnya is the worst place to be in the world, 90% all refugees in Germany from Chechnya . its an Islamic , tribal state, which won 2 wars against Muscovy , and Muscovy pays than yearly contribution 300% its budget

Chechnya lost the second fyi do not know where you get your information. The money paid to chechnya is towards repairing what they destroyed in chechnya as well as keeping putins favorite warlord in power and have the warlord fight the insurgencies for russia. To make matters more simple, chechnya even started the second war when they invaded dagestan and declared open war on moscow.
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Chechnya lost the second fyi do not know where you get your information. The money paid to chechnya is towards repairing what they destroyed in chechnya as well as keeping putins favorite warlord in power and have the warlord fight the insurgencies for russia. To make matters more simple, chechnya even started the second war when they invaded dagestan and declared open war on moscow.

LOL, shadup Olgino, and pay your Muslim overloads, but once you will tell out loud "bla bla Chechnya lost the second", in Muscovy, local Muslims will do this to you , and what you can do? just cry like all little bitches do . much like these 2 guys, putlwer´officer and ex - solder

i love, this part, "what you did in Chechnya, boom , boom in ugly imperial face love, it!! I do it all the time" 0.21 .LOL. you are such losers, and push-overs mongols juchi

LOL,
 

beerftw

proud ammosexual
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2011
Messages
18,753
Reaction score
5,452
Location
kekistan
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Socialist
LOL, shadup Olgino, and pay your Muslim overloads, but once you will tell out loud "bla bla Chechnya lost the second", in Muscovy, local Muslims will do this to you , and what you can do? just cry like all little bitches do . much like these 2 guys, putlwer´officer and ex - solder

i love, this part, "what you did in Chechnya, boom , boom in ugly imperial face love, it!! I do it all the time" 0.21 .LOL. you are such losers, and push-overs mongols juchi

LOL,

So now you are bragging about the most ruthless terrorists in the world? but despite your nonsense of a post chechnya lost the second war and lost bad, they only won the first war and a short term independance because russia was a complete mess after the soviet union, and instead of quitting while they were ahead they tried to invade russia and paid the price.
 

Westphalian

DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 16, 2018
Messages
2,644
Reaction score
282
Location
East
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
So now you are bragging about the most ruthless terrorists in the world? but despite your nonsense of a post chechnya lost the second war and lost bad, they only won the first war and a short term independance because russia was a complete mess after the soviet union, and instead of quitting while they were ahead they tried to invade russia and paid the price.


You make some good points on occasion, but trying to rationalise anything with Litwin is a waste of time and I hoped you'd realise that quicker.


Litwin will argue black is white, such is his hatred of Russia.


Chechnya, incidentally, is a very good example of the mulit-culturalism of the Russian Federation, and how it (almost uniquely in the world) successfully accommodates both Muslim and Christian cultures. Kadyrov has been a pragmatic and sensible leader who realised the limits but also the potential of his power within the Federation.
 

Evilroddy

Pragmatic, pugilistic, prancing, porcine politico.
DP Veteran
Joined
May 30, 2017
Messages
7,944
Reaction score
5,302
Location
Canada
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
You make some good points on occasion, but trying to rationalise anything with Litwin is a waste of time and I hoped you'd realise that quicker.


Litwin will argue black is white, such is his hatred of Russia.


Chechnya, incidentally, is a very good example of the mulit-culturalism of the Russian Federation, and how it (almost uniquely in the world) successfully accommodates both Muslim and Christian cultures. Kadyrov has been a pragmatic and sensible leader who realised the limits but also the potential of his power within the Federation.

Westphalian:

How sensible and pragmatic are the Kadyrov death-squads which liquidate the Chechnyan leader's political and personal enemies? How sensible and pragmatic is his lavish spending of public monies on giant public work projects which bankrupt Chechnya for the glory of Kadyrov and his father? How sensible and pragmatic is his lavish spending of public monies on his football fetish? How sensible and pragmatic is the Kadyrov policy of killing and oppressing gay Chechnyans? Your rose-coloured glasses are that colour because they are stained whit the blood and sweat of the people of Chechnya who have been killed or ruthlessly exploited to aggrandise this amoral, egocentric, megalomaniac who revels in death and bringing misery to others.

Yup, a real winner for the people of Chechnya and their enlightened multicultural society. Respectfully, the blatant BS is thick in this thread; you can do better.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
So now you are bragging about the most ruthless terrorists in the world? but despite your nonsense of a post chechnya lost the second war and lost bad, they only won the first war and a short term independance because russia was a complete mess after the soviet union, and instead of quitting while they were ahead they tried to invade russia and paid the price.

why your putler is sending them in Ukraine in this case?

chechens1.jpg


2ypnjfp.jpg

"In his latest statement posted on Open Russia, Belkovsky argues that Putin is facing a conflict between different security forces. Belkovsky divides these groups into the FSB (Federal Security Services) and Ramzan Kadyrov (the Putin appointed leader of Chechnya). This is a conflict that has been going on since Putin came to power, Belkovsky claims. This is a bit disingenuous as Kadyrov has not been in power in Chechnya for 15 years. But his broader point is that much of Putin’s reputation as a strong leader has been built on his alleged success in subduing Chechnya. On the other side of the conflict is the federal security structures (the siloviki). There are quite a lot of people in this group, and they are quite influential. Putin cannot betray this group because it would cost him his life, Belkovsky alleges. Putin then is between a rock and a hard place. He cannot dismiss Kadyrov because his reputation is at stake. But he cannot side against the siloviki because they would overthrow him in a coup if he did. Therefore, Putin is avoiding making a decision between the two clans, and this is the reason for his disappearance. The President hopes that the situation will be resolved in the meantime. Putin could stay in power indefinitely as long as he stays alive, Belkovsky continues. But since nobody lives forever, at some point somebody must succeed him. This person will be the “anti-Putin”. He would have to reach some kind of deal with the West to save Russia’s economy and bring Russia back from the brink of war. Belkovsky then again presents Prime Minister Medvedev as an this compromise figure. Yes, Medvedev acts like a fool, but this could all be an act, and the Prime Minister might well surprise us all. Belkovsky concludes by saying that Putin’s legacy will not be great. There will be organized mourning and parades, but the transition of power will be relatively painless and no panic will ensue. The reason for this is that despite popular opinion, the Russian system is not personality-based. Rather it is more like a monarchy. "
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/04/01/the-chechen-boss/
 

Litwin

DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
12,647
Reaction score
1,053
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
"Because of this there is some “guarantee of stability”, and the office is more important than the figure in it. And in due course, the Russian people will rapidly change their loyalty and love to a new leader. I personally think Belkovsky is over-simplifying the situation here. The siloviki is not exactly a monolithic group. That being said, I think the Russian system can take some hits, and harder hits than many imagine. Putin’s image of a strong leader has been very carefully crafted for his domestic audience, but it could be taken away very quickly. A transition to a new face does not have to be overly painful. Will there be some hiccups? Most likely. The clan system is very real, and there will be some jockeying for position and power behind the scenes. But these should not impact day to day activity or the economy in any real sense. So this is one way that the Kremlin could wriggle out of the situation it currently finds itself in. Whether it will do so remains to be seen."]In his latest statement posted on Open Russia, Belkovsky argues that Putin is facing a conflict between different security forces. Belkovsky divides these groups into the FSB (Federal Security Services) and Ramzan Kadyrov (the Putin appointed leader of Chechnya). This is a conflict that has been going on since Putin came to power, Belkovsky claims. This is a bit disingenuous as Kadyrov has not been in power in Chechnya for 15 years. But his broader point is that much of Putin’s reputation as a strong leader has been built on his alleged success in subduing Chechnya. On the other side of the conflict is the federal security structures (the siloviki). There are quite a lot of people in this group, and they are quite influential. Putin cannot betray this group because it would cost him his life, Belkovsky alleges. Putin then is between a rock and a hard place. He cannot dismiss Kadyrov because his reputation is at stake. But he cannot side against the siloviki because they would overthrow him in a coup if he did. Therefore, Putin is avoiding making a decision between the two clans, and this is the reason for his disappearance. The President hopes that the situation will be resolved in the meantime. Putin could stay in power indefinitely as long as he stays alive, Belkovsky continues. But since nobody lives forever, at some point somebody must succeed him. This person will be the “anti-Putin”. He would have to reach some kind of deal with the West to save Russia’s economy and bring Russia back from the brink of war. Belkovsky then again presents Prime Minister Medvedev as an this compromise figure. Yes, Medvedev acts like a fool, but this could all be an act, and the Prime Minister might well surprise us all. Belkovsky concludes by saying that Putin’s legacy will not be great. There will be organized mourning and parades, but the transition of power will be relatively painless and no panic will ensue. The reason for this is that despite popular opinion, the Russian system is not personality-based. Rather it is more like a monarchy. Because of this there is some “guarantee of stability”, and the office is more important than the figure in it. And in due course, the Russian people will rapidly change their loyalty and love to a new leader. I personally think Belkovsky is over-simplifying the situation here. The siloviki is not exactly a monolithic group. That being said, I think the Russian system can take some hits, and harder hits than many imagine. Putin’s image of a strong leader has been very carefully crafted for his domestic audience, but it could be taken away very quickly. A transition to a new face does not have to be overly painful. Will there be some hiccups? Most likely. The clan system is very real, and there will be some jockeying for position and power behind the scenes. But these should not impact day to day activity or the economy in any real sense. So this is one way that the Kremlin could wriggle out of the situation it currently finds itself in. Whether it will do so remains to be see" :lamo
 

Rogue Valley

Exordium and Terminus
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
66,083
Reaction score
50,411
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Westphalian: Your rose-coloured glasses are that colour because they are stained with the blood and sweat of the people of Chechnya who have been killed or ruthlessly exploited to aggrandize this amoral, egocentric, megalomaniac who revels in death and bringing misery to others.

He is no better than the murderous regime he defends here day after day.

you can do better.

No, he can't. Stop deluding yourself. He strongly believes in the murderous and xenophobic Putin regime.
 

beerftw

proud ammosexual
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 13, 2011
Messages
18,753
Reaction score
5,452
Location
kekistan
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Socialist
You make some good points on occasion, but trying to rationalise anything with Litwin is a waste of time and I hoped you'd realise that quicker.


Litwin will argue black is white, such is his hatred of Russia.


Chechnya, incidentally, is a very good example of the mulit-culturalism of the Russian Federation, and how it (almost uniquely in the world) successfully accommodates both Muslim and Christian cultures. Kadyrov has been a pragmatic and sensible leader who realised the limits but also the potential of his power within the Federation.

Chechnya is less an example of multiculturalism and more an example of exported islamic extremism to russia, chechnyans have allways been defiant of russian rule, however the extremist islam and terrorist actions were only really found after the soviet union collapsed and the us cia backed rebels combined with saudi money and arms and more fighters fighting in chechnya from outside the region than from it.


But just to point out russia is not angel either, granted chechnya had the subway, movie theater, and beslan school attacks, russia itself carpet bombed grozny, and I say carpet bombed even though I hate when people say it because it applies to such few wars in history. This is also why russia pays so much to chechnya, russia destroyed most of it's economy fighting the rebelion, really can't rule over something if it is a random pile of mud with no infrastructure or economy.
 
Top Bottom