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Osama's letter to America.

cnredd said:
Same thing Marge Schott said about Hitler...

I guess I should supply a source

Marge Schott's comments on ESPN about Hitler -- "Everything you read, when he came in [to power] he was good...They built tremendous highways and got all the factories going...Everybody knows he was good at the beginning but he just went too far."-- are profoundly ignorant, offensive, and taint America's beloved national pastime. Obviously, Ms. Schott, who was disciplined in 1993 by Major League Baseball for her racist and anti-Semitic remarks and favorable comments on the Nazi leader, has not learned her lesson.

What everybody knows, but apparently not Ms. Schott, is that Hitler's blueprint for Germany's dominance of the world and for the Jews were made public in 1924 in Mein Kampf, nine years before he came to power in Germany in 1933. Hitler was the personification of evil from the time he entered the public arena.
 
cnredd said:
Marge Schott's comments on ESPN about Hitler -- "Everything you read, when he came in [to power] he was good...They built tremendous highways and got all the factories going...Everybody knows he was good at the beginning but he just went too far."-- are profoundly ignorant, offensive, and taint America's beloved national pastime. Obviously, Ms. Schott, who was disciplined in 1993 by Major League Baseball for her racist and anti-Semitic remarks and favorable comments on the Nazi leader, has not learned her lesson.

What everybody knows, but apparently not Ms. Schott, is that Hitler's blueprint for Germany's dominance of the world and for the Jews were made public in 1924 in Mein Kampf, nine years before he came to power in Germany in 1933. Hitler was the personification of evil from the time he entered the public arena.

Hitler believed that what he was doing in Germany was good. He believed, along with the German people, that he was saint, doing the right thing. I don't think he was a Saint.

The difference is that Usama bin Laden has sent correspondence to America. If he is willing to do that, I believe that a leader, if we had one willing to do so, could use the American media to communicate with bin Laden. Bin Laden sends a letter/tape to American news media, the President responds to him through the media. Even an attempt at such a thing would draw recruits away from bin Laden and others like him. In no way am I suggesting amnesty. I believe that he must be brought to justice. Hell, the correspondence might result in leads to his location. I do not believe he should be executed.
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Hitler believed that what he was doing in Germany was good. He believed, along with the German people, that he was saint, doing the right thing. I don't think he was a Saint.

The difference is that Usama bin Laden has sent correspondence to America. If he is willing to do that, I believe that a leader, if we had one willing to do so, could use the American media to communicate with bin Laden. Bin Laden sends a letter/tape to American news media, the President responds to him through the media. Even an attempt at such a thing would draw recruits away from bin Laden and others like him. In no way am I suggesting amnesty. I believe that he must be brought to justice. Hell, the correspondence might result in leads to his location. I do not believe he should be executed.


Gandhi....with all due respect and love....you're off your freakin' rocker!!!...

Using your logic, I guess there would be no problem with ME calling out France through the media and telling them to stop making smelly cheese or I will make them pay. Then, according to you, Jackie Chiracky would ask France's version of CNN to coordinate some sort of cross-pond negotiations with me.

Seriously, guy....hindu wine this early ain't good...
 
O.B.L has made many speeches to the American people:

November 1st,2004


Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.


But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at the White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief among them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr to the region.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.


To be continued........
 
continued:


All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.

This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinises the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains.

Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations - whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction - has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ.

And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. [When they pointed out that] for example, al-Qaida spent $500,000 on the event, while America, in the incident and its aftermath, lost - according to the lowest estimate - more than $500 billion.

Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the mujahidin recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan - with Allah's permission.

It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is ... you.

It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations - all praise is due to Allah.

And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him: "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction - assuming they exist - is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying "like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth".

So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.

And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorise the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behoves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say: "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision."

It is as if they were telling you, the people of America: "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes."

And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry. "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said: "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that: "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All peace be upon he who follows the Guidance.


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cnredd said:
Gandhi....with all due respect and love....you're off your freakin' rocker!!!...

Using your logic, I guess there would be no problem with ME calling out France through the media and telling them to stop making smelly cheese or I will make them pay. Then, according to you, Jackie Chiracky would ask France's version of CNN to coordinate some sort of cross-pond negotiations with me.

Seriously, guy....hindu wine this early ain't good...

Judging by that letter, he is a well educated man with what many believe to be legitimate complaints rather than complaints about dairy products. There are those that believe these to be so legitimate, that violence is necessary. Usama bin Laden is one. I am of the belief that violence is never necessary. Usama bin Laden is not. Niether is George W. Bush.

Thank you, Surenderer. That was very interesting.
 
Hitler's speeches were incredibly moving, and articulate. Were the issues he brought forth legitimate?
 
Hitler's speeches were incredibly moving, and articulate. Were the issues he brought forth legitimate?

Actually, because it was brought up earlier, I read some of Hitler's speeches.

I've read a few today and even as far back as the 1920's he was hating capitalism and democracy. Not because he believed in socialism, but because they are not "fundamentally German: [they are] Jewish." That's not a legitimate complaint. I encourage you to read a few.

http://www.hitler.org/speeches/

This website is for a "nonbiased, nonprofit" Hitler Historical Museum. I didn't read too much of the front page. Whatever, ehh?

I myself didn't find them to be moving.

Also the threat Hitler posed and the threat bin Laden poses are two completely different threats. One was a fascist nation looking to expand etc., and the other is a group of people looking to intimidate and destroy based on revenge.

Reading his letter, I personally think Usama bin Laden isn't insane. I think Hitler was. He believes that we will listen to him with the more violence he uses. That's not how it works. He believes in eye for an eye and revenge and it seems that we do too.
 
Originally posted by "right-said" cnredd:
"The Game"
Your too sexy for your posts. My favorite Dougie flick was "Falling Down". I like the part on the golf coarse giving some Dik Chaney looking f-er a heart attack by pulling out his shotgun and shouting '5', after being pummelled with golf balls from the irate duffer [who kept shouting '4']. Then looking all concerned standing over him as the guy trying to tell him his pills are in the golf cart that just went into the pond. And Dougie looking down at the guy gasping for breath and smiling, "Well, I guess your goin' to die! Now aren't you sorry you didn't just let me walk thru your park?"

Some of these posts get a little long winded. My keyboard took a dump at home. I hate computers. Am I seeing things, or does Bush get a little pep-in-his-step every time a new terrorist attack happens. Validating the in-valid.

I feel like I'm losing my edge. I need to get dumped by some bitch so I can get in the mood to argue. Tonight I will try out my new pick-up line, "Hey! Come here!"
 
My image of Teacher and his massive brain!

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Don't you think that would fit in best with his thread in the basement?
 
Gandhi>Bush said:
Actually, because it was brought up earlier, I read some of Hitler's speeches.

I've read a few today and even as far back as the 1920's he was hating capitalism and democracy. Not because he believed in socialism, but because they are not "fundamentally German: [they are] Jewish." That's not a legitimate complaint. I encourage you to read a few.

http://www.hitler.org/speeches/

This website is for a "nonbiased, nonprofit" Hitler Historical Museum. I didn't read too much of the front page. Whatever, ehh?

I myself didn't find them to be moving.

Also the threat Hitler posed and the threat bin Laden poses are two completely different threats. One was a fascist nation looking to expand etc., and the other is a group of people looking to intimidate and destroy based on revenge.

Reading his letter, I personally think Usama bin Laden isn't insane. I think Hitler was. He believes that we will listen to him with the more violence he uses. That's not how it works. He believes in eye for an eye and revenge and it seems that we do too.
Osama Bin Laden is the definition of evil. He has resorted to the willful killing of innocent people, and has advanced terrorism around the world.

I would not even flirt with the idea of calling him an intelligent man. He is a savage; an animal. He needs to die.

He will die.
 
Tetracide said:
Osama Bin Laden is the definition of evil. He has resorted to the willful killing of innocent people, and has advanced terrorism around the world.

Evil: something that is morally reprehensible. Morality is relative. Do you believe that Mr. bin Laden has it in his head that he is doing the wrong thing? He believes that he is doing the right thing, that he is the good guy.

I would not even flirt with the idea of calling him an intelligent man. He is a savage; an animal. He needs to die.

Did you read the letter?

He will die.

We all die. What would be gained by his murder?
 
Wow. I've never heard anyone defend Osama Bin Laden's character. I've met someone who defended Saddam like he was his older brother, but not Osama. This is a first.

Gandhi>Bush said:
Evil: something that is morally reprehensible. Morality is relative. Do you believe that Mr. bin Laden has it in his head that he is doing the wrong thing? He believes that he is doing the right thing, that he is the good guy.
I don't give a rat’s rear end. He killed 3,000 innocent people. He's responsible for hundreds of attacks around the world and the death of anyone who gets in his way. I don't need to read anything or hear anything he says. His actions speak louder than anything else.

He is not a sane man. A sane man wouldn't intentionally mistranslate a peaceful religion and turn it into fascism. A sane man does not order the suicide bombings of his blind followers. A sane man does not order the killing of 3,000 innocent people just to make a point.

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Oh ya, he's so cute. I just want to hold him and never let go. :roll:
 
Tetracide said:
Wow. I've never heard anyone defend Osama Bin Laden's character. I've met someone who defended Saddam like he was his older brother, but not Osama. This is a first.

In no way do I condone his actions. They are terrible and disgusting and I would see him brought to justice. Usama bin Laden would kill me if he could, I know this. I believe it is incredibly important to understand why that is. If you can understand the why, you can possibly take away the why. Then you don't have an enemy. Then you have peace.

I don't give a rat’s rear end. He killed 3,000 innocent people. He's responsible for hundreds of attacks around the world and the death of anyone who gets in his way. I don't need to read anything or hear anything he says. His actions speak louder than anything else.

People have been using violence to get their desires since the beginning of time. I am opposed to Usama's actions, just as much as you are. I am also opposed to George Bush's actions. Do you not care what your enemy has to say? You could potentially make peace by simply listening and communicating. This is something both Usama bin Laden and apparently you refuse to do. Why? If you are truly looking for peace you must seek to understand your enemy.

He is not a sane man. A sane man wouldn't intentionally mistranslate a peaceful religion and turn it into fascism. A sane man does not order the suicide bombings of his blind followers. A sane man does not order the killing of 3,000 innocent people just to make a point.

There is no such thing as a peaceful religion. Not Islam, not christianity... well... Buddhism I guess but that's ONE. I really don't see how you can read that letter and think that he is insane. I don't see that.

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Oh ya, he's so cute. I just want to hold him and never let go. :roll:

Hey... hey... what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is not my business.
 
Tetracide said:
I would not even flirt with the idea of calling him an intelligent man. He is a savage; an animal. He needs to die.
Just because he is evil doesn't mean that he isn't intelligent. Even the insane can be intelligent. Personally, I think Hitler was pretty freakin brilliant (his military side, that is). He managed to whip a ragged country into a military machine, which I am quite impressed by. His domestic policies obviously are where his evil and insanity really show. I've read several biographies of him, and he was an extremely intelligent man though he gradually lost all degree of sanity. He was extremely evil, but that doesn't make him an idiot.

I don't know much about bin Laden's intelligence, but my impression is that he is a reasonably smart guy. Evil, manipulative, cold-blooded killer, yes, but that doesn't mean he's insane. He thinks things out, is a strong leader for his band of terrorists, and can plan exceptionally well, which gives the impression of some intelligence behind that ugly gray beard of his.
 
rudy0908 said:
Just because he is evil doesn't mean that he isn't intelligent. Even the insane can be intelligent. Personally, I think Hitler was pretty freakin brilliant (his military side, that is). He managed to whip a ragged country into a military machine, which I am quite impressed by. His domestic policies obviously are where his evil and insanity really show. I've read several biographies of him, and he was an extremely intelligent man though he gradually lost all degree of sanity. He was extremely evil, but that doesn't make him an idiot.

I don't know much about bin Laden's intelligence, but my impression is that he is a reasonably smart guy. Evil, manipulative, cold-blooded killer, yes, but that doesn't mean he's insane. He thinks things out, is a strong leader for his band of terrorists, and can plan exceptionally well, which gives the impression of some intelligence behind that ugly gray beard of his.

You could say the same thing after a conversation with Manson....but that doesn't discount the "looney-tunes" part of the program.

Imagine a Presidential candidate coming out and saying this..."I have a program, which has been proven, that will bring about world peace, end poverty, spread democaracy to all nations, solve any economic problems, and get rid of environmental pollution....all we have to do is kill the Mexicans"....It sound like you would give it some thought.
 
Yes intelligence is not measured due to the amount of "good" things you've done but what you're capable of doing. Hitler was one of the smartest guys of all-time, like before said, he was able to manipulate a whole country using a false sense of the "enemy" and forcing his country to work to the common "goal".

Another reason why you cannot attribute intelligence with their standing on the "good or evil" ladder, is that "good" is nothing more than a perspective! Granted that there are some common ideals of "good" but that doesn't deter the fact that it's a perspective and perspectives are subject to change without notice.

Believe it or not, Slavery, back in the days (dark-ages), was considered a "good" it was a humanitarian effort in order to keep people from fully destroying their enemies and trying to keep some race from going away. Now, obviously, if you hear the term "Slave" then you jolt back in disbelief and ponder "why would any one have such an uncivilized routine in their life!?".
 
Arch Enemy said:
Yes intelligence is not measured due to the amount of "good" things you've done but what you're capable of doing. Hitler was one of the smartest guys of all-time, like before said, he was able to manipulate a whole country using a false sense of the "enemy" and forcing his country to work to the common "goal".

Another reason why you cannot attribute intelligence with their standing on the "good or evil" ladder, is that "good" is nothing more than a perspective! Granted that there are some common ideals of "good" but that doesn't deter the fact that it's a perspective and perspectives are subject to change without notice.

Believe it or not, Slavery, back in the days (dark-ages), was considered a "good" it was a humanitarian effort in order to keep people from fully destroying their enemies and trying to keep some race from going away. Now, obviously, if you hear the term "Slave" then you jolt back in disbelief and ponder "why would any one have such an uncivilized routine in their life!?".

Excellent point!

I'll stop spreading all of those lies about you now... :2razz:
 
cnredd said:
You could say the same thing after a conversation with Manson....but that doesn't discount the "looney-tunes" part of the program.

Imagine a Presidential candidate coming out and saying this..."I have a program, which has been proven, that will bring about world peace, end poverty, spread democaracy to all nations, solve any economic problems, and get rid of environmental pollution....all we have to do is kill the Mexicans"....It sound like you would give it some thought.
Absolutely not, and I'm stumped as to what part of my post gave you that impression. I stated over and over that Hitler and bin Laden were/are evil, and I certainly don't condone any killing like you implied. Can intelligent people have insane ideas? Sure. Are you disagreeing with me and saying that Hitler wasn't a smart guy?
 
rudy0908 said:
Absolutely not, and I'm stumped as to what part of my post gave you that impression. I stated over and over that Hitler and bin Laden were/are evil, and I certainly don't condone any killing like you implied. Can intelligent people have insane ideas? Sure. Are you disagreeing with me and saying that Hitler wasn't a smart guy?

I am saying that you seem to be avoiding the "insanity" aspects and only commenting on the "intelligent" aspects...I don't separate the two...

His whole letter is tainted...Picking out the "good parts" does not justify anything.
 
cnredd said:
I am saying that you seem to be avoiding the "insanity" aspects and only commenting on the "intelligent" aspects...I don't separate the two...

His whole letter is tainted...Picking out the "good parts" does not justify anything.
So somebody can't have one idea thats intelligent and one thats insane? I think they can. I think both Hitler and bin Laden have some brains, but they definitely have some insane tendencies.

And please don't stretch my posts into implying that I'd consider voting for a guy who advocates murder.
 
rudy0908 said:
So somebody can't have one idea thats intelligent and one thats insane? I think they can. I think both Hitler and bin Laden have some brains, but they definitely have some insane tendencies.

And please don't stretch my posts into implying that I'd consider voting for a guy who advocates murder.

Hannibal Lecter...They should be locked up, not considered a leader because they "have a few good points".
 
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