OOPS: McCarthy Accidentally Posts & Frantically Hides Extreme MAGA Agenda

[Liberal7360]

Because NONE of it is what the agenda actually is, that's how.
Ever hear of "alternative facts" and "forward looking statements"?
Sorry, I do not buy a single word any of it says, it's CODE SPEAK.

DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST DRUG TAKEOVER???
OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!☭☭☭
Come on man, are you kidding?

The whole thing reads like a NINE year old wrote it while smoking crack.

All the government is doing is negotiating with the pharmaceutical companies for lower prices on drugs.

The government has been doing that for decades with the VA. I guess that's socialism too.

Most other developed nations in the world negotiate lower drug prices.

Private insurance companies have been doing it for decades too. I guess that's socialism too.

It's ridiculous lies that are believed like gospel by the conservatives for decades.

The same people who hated Obamacare when it was first passed, now fight to keep it.

It was the same type of people who hated and fought medicare when it was first passed. Now, just about everyone fights to keep it.

Most people in the nation want the government to negotiate lower drug prices not just for medicare but for everyone.

We are all sick and tired of being totally ripped off.

 

[NWRatCon]

If you want to respond to that with a "yes but, there is a difference in degree because Jan 6", then okay. But that still means those other things happened, and we shouldn't pretend they didn't.

Putin likes to quote Stalin (whom he greatly resembles), by saying, “Quantity has a quality all its own.” It is true that Democrats have, in dribs and drabs, complained about particular elections and particular problems (which were substantively verified). But there is a substantial difference between those events and where we are today. It's not just about January 6, but has been going on since Trump took the stage, and for him, over a decade. His acolytes now pre-claim every election is rigged, just in case they lose, just like he did before 2016. They don't differentiate, either. It all depends on the result, even before the same voters. THAT is the corrosion that we are complaining about, and that is different both in degree and in kind. On this point, you are simply wrong.

Fair enough. You've asked me where I disagree with the GOP, and I responded.

I greatly appreciate that, and acknowledge it.

Can you accept and acknowledge the damage that was done by Democrats also undercutting public confidence in elections?

No, because I disagree. In each instance you posit the Democrats have improved the process as a result of complaints. States changed their election systems to create paper and data trails, for example. They changed observation processes as well. The Republican efforts have been exactly to the opposite effect and end. In that, my friend, you are simply mistaken. It is a fallacious argument that is all-too-often pursued by those who wish to obscure the underlying reality. "He took paperclips home with him, so that excuses my multi-million dollar embezzlement." The "both sides" arguments are usually made by the guilty party.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What did the Republicans do? They staged a faux riot to disrupt the process. They didn't just file suits, they tried to prevent the counting of votes by enjoining that activity.

The Florida Brooks Brothers Riot was thought up by Roger Stone and, as it turned out, we now can see that it was a dress rehearsal and test bed for BIGGER actions, because Stone was also instrumental in the
January 6th Capitol Insurrection.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Feel free to actually check my record when it comes to Trump or the insurrection. What I'm doing here is called "consistently applying a standard"; something that is generally infuriating to partisans who want to hold up standards for the other team, but not their own.

Much of the groundwork for Republicans refusal to accept the 2020 elections was laid down by Democrats. Wise Democrats would recognize that, and try to get their party to stop playing with fire, just as wise Republicans should recognize the threat to the Republic that their leadership became, and get rid of them.

Unfortunately, we have very, very, few wise Democrats or Republicans; and the base voters of each tend to get rid of those who are out there. The American people, it seems, don't want to be wise. We want to be tribalistic, fear-driven rage monkeys, instead.

There IS NO STANDARD when it comes to the Capitol Insurrection.
Your attempt to find something, ANYTHING, to compare it to from Democrats is the homeopathic tincture of weak sauces.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

"He took paperclips home with him, so that excuses my multi-million dollar embezzlement." The "both sides" arguments are usually made by the guilty party.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Oh, it's absolutely true that the one time the Republicans have decided (thus far) to act like Democrats have done multiple times, they did so far worse. That's long been a right wing threat to the left wing: " You're not going to like it when we start using your rules against you".


Feel free to actually check my record when it comes to Trump or the insurrection. What I'm doing here is called "consistently applying a standard"; something that is generally infuriating to partisans who want to hold up standards for the other team, but not their own.

The problem with this rhetoric is that you are the main one being partisan -- with your ridiculous claim that the Democrats have done this "multiple times". That's just absurd on its face.

Much of the groundwork for Republicans refusal to accept the 2020 elections was laid down by Democrats. Wise Democrats would recognize that, and try to get their party to stop playing with fire, just as wise Republicans should recognize the threat to the Republic that their leadership became, and get rid of them.

More of the same partisan garbage.

Unfortunately, we have very, very, few wise Democrats or Republicans; and the base voters of each tend to get rid of those who are out there. The American people, it seems, don't want to be wise. We want to be tribalistic, fear-driven rage monkeys, instead.

More false equivalence.

 

[NWRatCon]

I skipped over this part because I wanted to address it separately:

It's easy enough. The Republican Party has become a nationalist party, at home with big spending, large government, and the overriding of classic liberal values.

I agree with the first part of the sentence, and acknowledge that there are many on your side of the fence that believe the latter. (I don't, which I'll elaborate below.)

Republicans kvetching today about how Biden's big spending has given us inflation who supported massive spending under Trump are hypocritical and indicative that the party has become unmoored.

Agree. Also, because that has little to do with the inflation we are experiencing.

Republicans complaining about Democrats attempts to pick winners and losers in the economy are the same. Republicans who complain about left-wingers trying to shut down right wing speech, who turn around and attempt to limit the speech of others are also the same.

Also agree.

I don't disagree with the GOP because I am no longer conservative, but because the GOP increasingly no longer is. I wish that the GOP looked less like Democrats, policy-wise.

Except, they don't.

People have the ability to observe the same (or slightly different) pattern of fact, and come in good faith to different conclusions. Our increasing inability to grasp and apply that mostly demonstrates the extent to which our society is retreating to our bubbles.

I agree, here, too.

First, we (you and I) fundamentally disagree about governmental functions. Without rehashing several such discussions, it is simply not possible to have a federal government that does even its basic functions without it being very large, given the geographic expanse and population of the country. Both parties functionally recognize this, but only one party pretends it is not true.

Second, the Democratic Party, frankly, is much closer to "classical liberal values" than the GOP, unless you want to argue that those values are more constrained than any of those "classical liberals" espoused (which I know you do ). With the exception of a very few years in the middle of the 19th Century, the Republican Party has not been a champion of "classical liberal values". Indeed, quite the opposite. This is part of that "nostalgia" that I complain about.

When has the GOP not been "nationalistic"? It merely waxes and wanes, but it has always been part of its (hypocritical) mantra.