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One thing I hope We All can Agree on? Even though Biden "may" have won...

Captain Adverse

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...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

The COVID-19 vaccine is on track to become the fastest-developed vaccine in history,..
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https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

The U.S. government has secured access to six potential coronavirus vaccines, developed with federal money by Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax and Sanofi. All except Sanofi are in phase 3 trials. And despite testing hiccups in some of those final-stage trials, two frontrunners, Moderna and Pfizer, are both near the finish line...
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https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
 
Governor Cuomo convinced me to never take the vaccine.
 
Captain Adverse said:
...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
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There will never be agreement on anything, possibly ever. It is a shame that blind ideology has claimed so many victims. There used to be a divide on what path to take to make America better. Now it is a difference of making America better or making America fundamentally different. I am not digging the path we have started down.
 
LOL. Trump took credit for Obama's economy and tons of things that started under Obama.

Trump will be remembered as the worst president in American history because he was really that bad. You refused to see it but that's reality. That's why he's a one-term rejected president.

Vaccines have been fast-tracked in many countries. It's not some special Trump innovation. Let's thank the scientists who Trump ignores.
 
Which issues do you lean left on Captain? Just curious.
 
Captain Adverse said:
...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
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He can do EXACTLY what we need. Restore faith in the vacciine, and ACTUALLY vouch for its safety. And guide these folks so they are all in alignment.

He can take a great deal of credit for the virus receding. And making our economy much more like normal. And when the stock market sees that the virus is going down, consistently, it will even rally.

When folks arent at odds so much that shit gets burned and stolen, that is NOT good for the economy. Biden will have PLENTY to take credit for.

And to be honest, I dont see Biden as a taking credit for stuff guy. HE will stand there, and give out all credit and thanks folks without tooting his horn. Remember, he was vice with Obama. Who took no credit for anything, and so didnt promote as well as you must.
 
Captain Adverse said:
...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
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And no one will care. Trump only wanted a vaccine quickly because he thought it would save his presidency. Don't pretend he gave a rat's ass about the health and life of others.
 
joko104 said:
Governor Cuomo convinced me to never take the vaccine.
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You don't even believe in science. Why don't you just take a lot of hydroxychloroquine, Clorox, and UV light butt plugs?
 
Airyaman said:
And no one will care. Trump only wanted a vaccine quickly because he thought it would save his presidency. Don't pretend he gave a rat's ass about the health and life of others.
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Doctor's are just faking COVID deaths for money, according to Trump, so why do we need a vaccine? It's just the flu.
 
A vaccine for a virus that he spent the entire nine months LYING through HIS TEETH about, saying it would magically go away.
Yeah, keep on f***ing that chicken.
 
Biden can do exactly like trump did when he claimed he created a great economy that he actually inherited, but it is unlikely since Biden isn't a Big Fat Liar and actually has Class.
 
Captain Adverse said:
...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
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You've been wrong about everything this election cycle. Why should I take anything you say at face value?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
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Trump is a con man. That people still do not see it is bizarre.
 
The companies that make vaccines are highly motivated to get a vaccine out as soon as possible.

They would've done this trump or no trump.
 
swing_voter said:
The companies that make vaccines are highly motivated to get a vaccine out as soon as possible.

They would've done this trump or no trump.
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If anything, they would've been hindered by Trump.
 
You know you're defending a bad candidate when your argument is "but there's just this one thing he did that wasn't completely moronic!"

He pushed for a vaccine, yes. He did it because he thought it might be the only thing to save his ass, but at least he did it. He also pushed hydroxychloroquine, UV light, disinfectants in the body. He also lied and downplayed it. He also killed a mass testing plan because he thought he'd benefit if blue state citizens died, so he could blame their governors.

Pretty sad that the argument for Trump is "he did this one thing that wasn't completely awful!"




Captain Adverse said:
Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
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Did CA remember that the economy Trump claimed he had personally created was in fact handed to him by Obama, under whom it was developed? Is he going to remember that the 3.1 trillion deficit and staggering COVID-wrecked economy Trump is handing Biden was developed under the Trump presidency?

Does he even know that it is private companies doing this and that no matter what Trump did they would have a huge incentive to be the first to the market with a COVID vaccine (because DUH)?
 
We can depend on the delivery of a vaccine in about another year to have a new coherent approach.
 
Herein lies the real point to be made....

I'm willing to play by your rules if you adme
Captain Adverse said:
...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
Click to expand...

Herein lies the real point to be made here....

Your point will stand as long as its stipulated that if the fasttracked vaccine ends up not working correctly or worse, you don't complain about Biden putting out a bad vaccine. Deal?

Take this seriously.....I REALLY want to be able to give Trump credit for something, and I'm hoping this might be the thing.
 
The distribution of the vaccine under trump would have looked like nationwide testing, contact tracing and the distribution of important medical supplies. Under Biden the distribution of the vaccine will be orderly, timely and fair.
 
Captain Adverse said:
...the election (by hook or crook); he cannot claim credit for either the development or the distribution of the Covid-19 vaccine when it becomes available.

Trump was the one who took steps leading to it's speedy development...

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/11/covid-19-vaccine-development-ruth-karron-qa/

https://observer.com/2020/10/moderna-pfizer-near-covid-vaccine-scientific-hurdle/

...and speedy delivery.

Coronavirus: DOD Response

The Defense Department is working closely with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Department to provide support in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.
www.defense.gov

Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.

Trump does try to keep his promises.
Click to expand...
Where is this vaccine? It was suppose to be here by now, remember?
 
Razoo said:
We can depend on the delivery of a vaccine in about another year to have a new coherent approach.
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That's the kind of estimate one hears for freeway overpass reconstruction after an earthquake, and then the contractor manages to get it done in record time by half, which is what happened after the 1994 Northridge Quake, it was the one bright spot in the recovery effort, the people and the workers.

But with a vaccine, you can't just double the shifts and see field testing accelerate. We need to see if the vaccine is effective and if it has seriously bad side effects. There is no substitute for time.
So we need to speed antiviral meds as much as the vaccines, to treat early COVID onset as quickly as they get the disease, to avoid as much damage as possible and to ensure the best recovery possible.
We need to have billions of test kits in the pipeline at all times so that every American can get tested as often as they need to....FOR FREE.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Biden will have these advantages if/when he takes office. Remember though, it was developed under a Trump Presidency.
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Other than NOT INTERFERING with vaccine development and talking about it, what has Trump actually DONE for the new vaccine that might be coming?

Serious question - please summarize it for me.
 
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