Once saved - always saved.

[Josie]

Do you agree with the idea that once you have genuinely accepted Christ as your Savior and had your sins washed away, it is impossible for you to lose your salvation no matter what you do, think or say later in life?

 

[ptif219]

No I do not believe in Calvinism

 

[friday]

No I do not believe in Calvinism

I am not a Calvinist either, but I believe that God's grace is simple, free, and by faith alone. So I do not believe you can lose that salvation.

 

[Josie]

I believe it's possible to lose your salvation. If you genuinely accept Christ and have your sins washed away at the age of 15, but eventually fall away and sin without remorse until the day you die, I do not think you can be in the presence of God.

 

[Goshin]

Do you agree with the idea that once you have genuinely accepted Christ as your Savior and had your sins washed away, it is impossible for you to lose your salvation no matter what you do, think or say later in life?

Yes, with certain caveats.

It is possible to make a false profession, or even a self-deluded one.

Those who recieve God's grace in salvation will demonstrate it in the way that they live. It will make a difference in how they conduct themselves. No, they will not be perfect, but the general course of their life will exhibit a tendency to conform more and more to the will of God over time.

Those who continue to live in a ongoing state of unarguable sin, with no evidence of contrition or repentance, who exhibit no change in their behaviors or attitudes as a result of their supposed conversion.... were never really converted in the first place.

 

[friday]

I believe it's possible to lose your salvation. If you genuinely accept Christ and have your sins washed away at the age of 15, but eventually fall away and sin without remorse until the day you die, I do not think you can be in the presence of God.

Was it accepting Christ through faith alone that caused God to respond in grace and save you? Or was it living sinlessly and with remorse for any sins you happen to commit? Biblically, it is faith alone that effects God's grace through the death of Christ. So how could sinning then cause you to lose your salvation?

 

[friday]

I believe it's possible to lose your salvation. If you genuinely accept Christ and have your sins washed away at the age of 15, but eventually fall away and sin without remorse until the day you die, I do not think you can be in the presence of God.

Also, the whole point is that none of us can be in God's presence with even one sin on our record. That is why we need God's grace and Jesus' atoning sacrifice to replace our horrible record of sin with his record of righteousness.

 

[Josie]

Was it accepting Christ through faith alone that caused God to respond in grace and save you? Or was it living sinlessly and with remorse for any sins you happen to commit? Biblically, it is faith alone that effects God's grace through the death of Christ. So how could sinning then cause you to lose your salvation?

No one can live sinlessly. Salvation comes from accepting Christ and repenting of your sins resulting in them being washed away. I believe at that point, you are saved. However, if you fall away later in life and sin without remorse and maybe even deny the existence of God, why would you be allowed in the presence of Him? He cannot be in the presence of sin. If you haven't not repented later in life of your wrongdoings, you still have that sin upon you. Will atheists be allowed in the presence of God simply because they might have accepted Him at one point in their lives?

 

[Josie]

Yes, with certain caveats.

It is possible to make a false profession, or even a self-deluded one.

Those who recieve God's grace in salvation will demonstrate it in the way that they live. It will make a difference in how they conduct themselves. No, they will not be perfect, but the general course of their life will exhibit a tendency to conform more and more to the will of God over time.

Those who continue to live in a ongoing state of unarguable sin, with no evidence of contrition or repentance, who exhibit no change in their behaviors or attitudes as a result of their supposed conversion.... were never really converted in the first place.

Do you not believe that a person can truly transform from a true believer and follower of Christ into something anti-God? And if a true believer CANNOT fall away, isn't that contradictory to "free will"?

 

[friday]

No one can live sinlessly. Salvation comes from accepting Christ and repenting of your sins resulting in them being washed away. I believe at that point, you are saved. However, if you fall away later in life and sin without remorse and maybe even deny the existence of God, why would you be allowed in the presence of Him? He cannot be in the presence of sin. If you haven't not repented later in life of your wrongdoings, you still have that sin upon you. Will atheists be allowed in the presence of God simply because they might have accepted Him at one point in their lives?

Yes. How many times have you sinned since accepting Christ as your savior? I've sinned many times and continue to do so. But God is working in me and when I die he will replace my sinful body and my horrible record of sins with righteousness. Now, atheists who once accepted Christ will lose any rewards in heaven and will seriously feel like crap when they meet God, but if they accepted Christ, I believe they will be saved.

Now the other issue is that I think atheists who once were true Christians will be rare because when you are saved you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit who guides you. So I think most Christians won't then become atheists. But it happens. We are saved by grace through faith.

 

[ptif219]

I am not a Calvinist either, but I believe that God's grace is simple, free, and by faith alone. So I do not believe you can lose that salvation.

So a back slider is not responsible for his sin? Is a pastor that commits homosexual acts saved when he committs these acts. Salvation comes with responsibility and choices. Make the wrong choices and you can lose it. On the other hand asking forgiveness and repenting can keep you saved if you turn from sin

 

[CriticalThought]

Now, atheists who once accepted Christ will lose any rewards in heaven and will seriously feel like crap when they meet God, but if they accepted Christ, I believe they will be saved.

That is what gives my mother hope. She doesn't care if I identify as gay and agnostic because I was such a Christian child. In her view, I could stand on the rooftops forsaking God and Jesus and I would still end up in heaven, but I would feel like a total ass for doing it. I like her iinterpretation. It's a good Plan B.

 

[Josie]

That is what gives my mother hope. She doesn't care if I identify as gay and agnostic because I was such a Christian child. In her view, I could stand on the rooftops forsaking God and Jesus and I would still end up in heaven, but I would feel like a total ass for doing it. I like her iinterpretation. It's a good Plan B.

And that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Goshin]

Do you not believe that a person can truly transform from a true believer and follower of Christ into something anti-God? And if a true believer CANNOT fall away, isn't that contradictory to "free will"?

There are a lot of things I don't feel that I understand with 100% certainty. This is one of them.

The theology to which I ascribe teaches eternal security, but with the caveats I mentioned above. That's my working theory... don't know what else to say, unless you wish to bring up some specific case.

 

[hallam]

Do you agree with the idea that once you have genuinely accepted Christ as your Savior and had your sins washed away, it is impossible for you to lose your salvation no matter what you do, think or say later in life?

Being saved does not exempt people from having their faith tested and, in those tests, one may loose one's faith. So I would say no. Once saved does not mean always saved espeicially if once tested someone denys the holy spirit.

 

[friday]

That is what gives my mother hope. She doesn't care if I identify as gay and agnostic because I was such a Christian child. In her view, I could stand on the rooftops forsaking God and Jesus and I would still end up in heaven, but I would feel like a total ass for doing it. I like her iinterpretation. It's a good Plan B.

I think accepting Christ as a child happens all the time. But I also think many times children don't understand what is going on and aren't truly making a decision to trust Christ. That is a judgement call God is going to have to make. Thank God I'm not God.

 

[Josie]

I think accepting Christ as a child happens all the time. But I also think many times children don't understand what is going on and aren't truly making a decision to trust Christ. That is a judgement call God is going to have to make. Thank God I'm not God.

I agree with this. However, I also think there are young adults that choose this path because they genuinely believe it and want to follow Christ. Then some stray from the path, sometimes until their death. I don't understand how a person who has absolutely ZERO remorse for their sins can go to Heaven. It's unBiblical.

“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ Matthew 7: 21-23

 

[Slartibartfast]

As far as I know, the only possibility is for one to lose one's faith.

 

[cpwill]

Do you agree with the idea that once you have genuinely accepted Christ as your Savior and had your sins washed away, it is impossible for you to lose your salvation no matter what you do, think or say later in life?

prevenient grace?

what about the famous exception of heresy against the Holy Spirit?

 

[liblady]

Do you agree with the idea that once you have genuinely accepted Christ as your Savior and had your sins washed away, it is impossible for you to lose your salvation no matter what you do, think or say later in life?

not for one second.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

John 10: 25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than alld; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Whether you believe it or not, there simply is zero substantiation, scripturally speaking, for the idea that someone can lose their salvation by sinning.

John 3:
13 For only I, the Son of Man,* have come to earth and will return to heaven again.4

14 And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so I, the Son of Man, must be lifted up on a pole,*5

15 so that everyone who believes in me will have eternal life.

16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

17 God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it.

18 "There is no judgment awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already been judged for not believing in the only Son of God.

Romans 8:
29 For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn, with many brothers and sisters.

30 And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And he gave them right standing with himself, and he promised them his glory.31 What can we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us?

32 Since God did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won't God, who gave us Christ, also give us everything else?

33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? Will God? No! He is the one who has given us right standing with himself.
34 Who then will condemn us? Will Christ Jesus? No, for he is the one who died for us and was raised to life for us and is sitting at the place of highest honor next to God, pleading for us.

35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ's love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or are hungry or cold or in danger or threatened with death?

36 (Even the Scriptures say, "For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep."*)2

37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.

38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from his love. Death can't, and life can't. The angels can't, and the demons can't. Our fears for today, our worries about tomorrow, and even the powers of hell can't keep God's love away.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not bring sorrow to God's Holy Spirit by the way you live. Remember, he is the one who has identified you as his own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption.

I also think this is a good paragraph on the subject:

The Bible teaches that man is inherently sinful -- that a sinful nature is a part of all of us (Romans 3:10). This means that even after being saved, every single believer is going to sin from time to time. Thinking that we can live a perfect, sinless life after our salvation is not only unscriptural, but arrogant (James 2:10). If we are not eternally secure, this sinning will cause us to lose our salvation, but how much sin is too much? There is no scriptural “yardstick” given to tell us how many or what kind of sins are enough to void our salvation. Without eternal security, the Bible would describe a situation where Christianity is a perpetual game of Russian Roulette; a life in which condemnation and salvation alternate every time we sin and confess, and we never know if we’re saved or not.

Once Saved, Always Saved

 

[hallam]

Whether you believe it or not, there simply is zero substantiation, scripturally speaking, for the idea that someone can lose their salvation by sinning.

I also think this is a good paragraph on the subject:

Once Saved, Always Saved

Mark 3:29 states otherwise.

28"(AG)Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;

29but (AH)whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--

30because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."

The only way around this is to say that those saved who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit were never really saved but only God would have this knowledge.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

Mark 3:29 states otherwise.

The only way around this is to say that those saved who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit were never really saved but only God would have this knowledge.

It's the only exception to the overall rule. I've never stated otherwise. But, Mellie isn't talking about blasphemy of the holy spirit, she's talking about ANY SIN. Ask her.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Do you agree with the idea that once you have genuinely accepted Christ as your Savior and had your sins washed away, it is impossible for you to lose your salvation no matter what you do, think or say later in life?

Nope - don't agree with that at all.

I use to be a devote - VERY devote christian (Weslyan). VERY religious. (I don't think I can emphasize enoug just how extreme I was) . . . but I don't really think I even believe in God, anymore - and I most assuredly don't believe in anything Religions, anymore . . . not a single story from any holy book.