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On my conversion from atheism

That entire post I responded to was the same thing, sentence after sentence...and not making the distinctions or the argument that you believe.

(And what 'excitement?')
What am I saying that you disagree with?
 
What am I saying that you disagree with?

Nothing new. So my previous posts stand unless you manage to actually address my comments specifically instead of repeating the same garbage over and over. This specific discussion is new to me, my responses are individual. You are posting cut and paste dogma that fits your belief system and you seem unable to actually explain it in your own words.
 
"Nothing new"? But you can't tell me what that is. You refer me back to your reactions, reactions which have led me to verify that you understand what you're reacting to.
What am I saying, whether new or old, that you disagree with?
 
"Nothing new"? But you can't tell me what that is. You refer me back to your reactions, reactions which have led me to verify that you understand what you're reacting to.
What am I saying, whether new or old, that you disagree with?

Correct, you keep posting the same repetititous dogma that I have answered directly on previous ocassions. You have been seemingly unable to provide your own answers outside of the dogma that you have swallowed as 'truth.' YOu cant give me your own answers. You just keep repeating 'because THIS said so!'

A few posts back I had answered alot of that specifically and directly and you keep posting the same dogma over and over, as if that's an argument.
 
What is this "dogma" you attribute to me? Just a sentence spelling it out.
 
What is this "dogma" you attribute to me? Just a sentence spelling it out.

This whole 'new atheist agenda' thing.
 

Atheism is not a denial of anything.

And how can you deny something that is not established as being factual?
 

The general concept of god is nothing more than a concept. Atheism is not reaction to particulars of beliefs in god(s), but the general notion of god. Atheism is about lacking belief in the existence of god(s), but atheists can be aware that there is a concept of god(s) that some believe in as being more than merely concept and existing in reality. The concept of god is not deserving of special consideration.
 

So you think anytime we have an experience, the supposed subject of it must be necessarily real?

Remember, this is not questioning the experience, just that having the experience must mean there must be an external reality to its subject.
 
That entire post I responded to was the same thing, sentence after sentence...and not making the distinctions or the argument that you believe.

(And what 'excitement?')

Have you heard about Theory of Mind, which is a developmental stage that children reach when they begin to understand that other people see, think, and feel about things differently than they do? Usually happens at around 4 years old.

Obviously some people never reached that stage.
 
Having been an atheist for a decade or so, I ended up becoming a Christian again in my mid 20s.


I am curious why "born again" folks tend to find their "prior" religion? Admittedly, I have not paid enough attention, but I have not heard much about people from one religion becoming atheists and then starting to believe in some other religion. It could definitely be lack of being informed on my part.

But I am curious... Have you considered Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Chinese traditional religion? What led you to believe that it was specifically Christian God reaching out to you?
 
This whole 'new atheist agenda' thing.
That's not a sentence and it spells out nothing. I believe I am right in my surmise that you don't even know the view you're opposing in this instance, and vehemently opposing at that.
Happy New Year. Seattle.
 
You're agreeing with me in oppositional tones. Please take some reading lessons.
 
So you think anytime we have an experience, the supposed subject of it must be necessarily real?

Remember, this is not questioning the experience, just that having the experience must mean there must be an external reality to its subject.

Nope, I never claimed any such thing. In fact I have gone to great lengths to qualify my statement as it relates to me, and me alone. In my life, in the very fundamental nature of my being and my perception of the world it is very real, and real as my need for food and water to live. As real as my love for my wife and family. Me without this new faith was very real, too, and that me is dead.

As I have said repeatedly, when you experience it, you understand. I can't blame you for not understanding what I can barely comprehend myself even after having gone through it.
 
You're agreeing with me in oppositional tones. Please take some reading lessons.

No, I'm not agreeing with you in any tones. Make believe is make believe, whether it's about sprites, small or large gods, superheroes, supernatural crap, or any other totally made up thing. Human imagination dies not create reality. Go find your rutabaga.
 
You so little understand what you post rapid-fire when you drop in that you mistook your agreement for opposition. The post is there. But its incompetence need not be recognized any further than it already has been.
 
That's not a sentence and it spells out nothing. I believe I am right in my surmise that you don't even know the view you're opposing in this instance, and vehemently opposing at that.
Happy New Year. Seattle.

Of course I know that view...you've posted it ad nauseum.

And that theory does not hold water. For reasons I and others have given you. That, in your own words, you seem incapable of refuting. We dont accept your (the theory's) basic premise...so you dont know how to deal outside that scope.
 

I do not question the reality of your experience, nor its power, nor your inability to now live without it. I just am wondering how you can be sure that despite all that, it may not be spurious. Because, after all, there are lots of other experiences like that, with all those qualities, which are spurious- with all sorts of very complex social/cultural or psychological roots other than pointing to some actual external reality.

In other words, no matter how powerful, transforming, or puzzling this experience you are having, how do you know it’s not all just in your head? (and I don’t mean that in any derogatory sense).
 
Please tell us what that "view" is, that "theory" as you call it. Please make some good-faith showing that you understand what you presume to criticize. Thank you.
 

Please tell us what that "view" is, that "theory" as you call it. Please make some good-faith showing that you understand what you presume to criticize. Thank you.

Yeah, I would think that you'd be able to rephrase the "view" and "theory" that you spout off against... It shouldn't be that hard to do if you have truly made the effort to understand it and soak it in before being opposed to it...
 
Yeah, I would think that you'd be able to rephrase the "view" and "theory" that you spout off against... It shouldn't be that hard to do if you have truly made the effort to understand it and soak it in before being opposed to it...

Why should I? When Angel cannot manage it?
 
You so little understand what you post rapid-fire when you drop in that you mistook your agreement for opposition. The post is there. But its incompetence need not be recognized any further than it already has been.

Once again you are wrong and resorting to insult.
 
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