walleye
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I have not suggested Israel return the land stolen between 1918-48, I have simply said it was wrong. You have shown contempt for all established property rights, nay all such rights, that do not come directly from the state. That is pure Bolshevism and you can't get around that.
If you follow the koran you are taught to hate non muslims. Do you follow the koran word for word?
Does this ring a bell?
From The Cow.
"Allah's curse is on the unbelievers."
"Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers."
God forbid it you worship an Idol.
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
That doesn't make it right, it was fait accompli. Is it right that Tibet is part of China or the baltic nations were part of the USSR?
How about that according to international law and the UN that the taking of refugee land is a war crime, once punishable by death. So the UN contrdicts itself and certainly can't be used to divine right and wrong in this case.
The Palestinians are descended from those who have been there since the first millenia BC in general.
I accept this, I was just saying if you want to talk about the so called aggression of the Arabs in 67 and 48 then you have to talk about the aggression of the Jews that predates it.
I think that further occupation and settlement provokes terrorism. Israel has never given the whole occupied territories back, until it does that and removes the settlements it is aggressing. This does not excuse the terrorism of course but it means that Israel is in the wrong as well.
See CC another American who seems to think that Israel can do no wrong and that the Palestinians have no rights and are evil, random aggressors.
I'm being balanced, I know that both are wrong. I can't say the same for most Americans I meet.
Your a socialist who believes that property depends on the state. Accept that.
The fact that the rulers change should not completely eradicate ancient, customary claims to property. That is certainly against Catholic teaching, it is basically Bolshevism.
no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist
PiusXI
One cannot be required without the other. Many times we are told there was a cease-fire, many times it was cold, so how long does it have to be cold for a Palestinian to think?
How many of them does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Go cry me a river. They lost. They can't seriously expect to get the land back. :rofl
Occupation of territory held since Israel was invaded is NOT aggression.
From a Pro thieves. Never !:mrgreen:
Everyone knows the fact that Israel hadn't existed peacefully with that sykes picot era.
Completely non-comparable.
What are you talking about? This area was a part of the Ottomon Empire up until WWI. Following WWI, the LEague of Nations assigned the area as a Mandatory territory to the British. It remained that way until the UN partitioned the area into two countries. There is no theft.
And never had a state of their own there.
What Jewish army infringed on the sovereignty of a foreign power?
Sure it is aggression. The occupation and settlement of another people's territory is certainly aggression as the British aggressed against Ireland. The Palestinians are then defending themselves by trying to remove this. What is wrong is the despicable tactics of groups like Hamas.Occupation of territory held since Israel was invaded is NOT aggression. Israel has the RIGHT to hold the territory in belligerant occupatio pending a treaty determining the final status of the territory.
Israel should stop aggressing.Israel should NOT give all territory back until there is a peace deal IN PLACE that protects Israel's sovrereignty.
I am not a socialist. However, at the same time, rules change. YOu have to accept them. We are not talking about a Catholic part of the world so Catholic rules to NOT apply.
Israel would LIKE to exist peacefully, but its neighbors keep attacking it.
Sure it is. If you defend the notion that the UN decides what is right and wrong by accepting the fait accompli in Israel, then you have to think these were right as well.Completely non-comparable.
Firstly please stop with the, I think deliberate, tactic of conflating the state with individual property and with the rights of those in an area. They are not the same and they aren't all reliant on the state if you aren't a commie.What are you talking about? This area was a part of the Ottomon Empire up until WWI. Following WWI, the LEague of Nations assigned the area as a Mandatory territory to the British. It remained that way until the UN partitioned the area into two countries. There is no theft.
Irrelevant.And never had a state of their own there.
The lack of a sovereign state does not remove the rights of those in an area, that is socialist talk.What Jewish army infringed on the sovereignty of a foreign power?
Sure it is aggression. The occupation and settlement of another people's territory is certainly aggression as the British aggressed against Ireland. The Palestinians are then defending themselves by trying to remove this. What is wrong is the despicable tactics of groups like Hamas.
Israel should stop aggressing.
Israel came into occupation of those lands through a war started by the Arabs.
You are supposed to be a Catholic, they are supposed to apply to you.
We are not talking about rules changing but ancient, traditional rights being swept away. Your position is pure Bolshevism.
you got to be kidding ! Had Israel asked to exist peacefully before ?
All answer it anyway but only briefly. CC can look at these answers
Sure it is. If you defend the notion that the UN decides what is right and wrong by accepting the fait accompli in Israel, then you have to think these were right as well.
Firstly please stop with the, I think deliberate, tactic of conflating the state with individual property and with the rights of those in an area. They are not the same and they aren't all reliant on the state if you aren't a commie.
You claimed the UN decides right and wrong or CC did but the international law which forms part of the basis of the UN states that the seizing of refugee property is a warcrime.
That was done in 48 on a big scale and the absense of a Palestinians state has nothing to do with that, unless you are suggesting that international law and the UN only applies to those with states. Therefore the UN is contradicting itself and the claim that Israel's theft of the land before 48 is fine because the UN recognised it doesn't wash.
Sorry ?
You mean that the war happened before Israel exist ?
Sure they have. They are the ones who are pressing for peace. Right now, Hamas is still attacking Israeli forces and launching rockets.
1948, 1967, 1973? Well Gaza and West Bank was from 1967.
I'll ask you Again: how did they existed in peace ?
They WANT to live in peace. It is their neighbors who want them to be in pieces.
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