Olmert/Abbas ceasefire agreement (1 Viewer)

[Tashah]

YnetNews.com
Abbas to Olmert: Ceasefire as of Sunday 6 a.m.
Ali Waked - Latest Update: 11.26.06, 00:16

Representatives of armed Palestinian groups agree to halt Qassam fire into Israel as of Sunday morning during talks with Prime Minister Haniyeh. President Abbas later speaks with Prime Minister Olmert to inform him of decision. Olmert says that Israel will cease operations in Gaza if Palestinians abide by the truce.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas spoke with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Saturday evening and informed him that as of 6 a.m. Sunday morning, the Palestinian armed factions will cease firing Qassam rockets at Israel.

Olmert has accepted the ceasefire proposal and said that if the Palestinians abide by the truce, Israel will halt military operations in Gaza.

The spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees in the Gaza Strip, Mohammad Abdelal, told Ynet earlier that Palestinian armed groups that are not affiliated with the Palestine Liberation Organization agreed on Saturday to halt Qassam fire into Israel as of Sunday morning.

Perhaps this could be the beginning of the end. I dearly hope all Palestinian factions honor this ceasefire and nurture the possibilities.

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[cherokee]

Perhaps this could be the beginning of the end. I dearly hope all Palestinian factions honor this ceasefire and nurture the possibilities.

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I'm not holding my breath. I will give it two weeks or less before it breaks down.
But if for some reason it doesn’t, when the money starts to flow back it will.
Money is the only reason why I see the Hamas doing this.


Tashah, I hope I'm wrong and this really is the beginning of the end.

 

[Moot]

Perhaps this could be the beginning of the end. I dearly hope all Palestinian factions honor this ceasefire and nurture the possibilities.

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I sincerely hope the Israelis honor this ceasefire and nuture the possiblities for the sake of peace in the entire Middle East as well.

 

[Nexus]

I sincerely hope the Israelis honor this ceasefire and nuture the possiblities for the sake of peace in the entire Middle East as well.

Why didn't you just simply say you hope both parties honor the ceasefire?

 

[Gardener]

Why didn't you just simply say you hope both parties honor the ceasefire?

Because it is a Hamas supporter, and having been warned about spreading its divisiveness and hatred in another similar thread, is attempting to do so in this one.

I imagine it thinks it is being subtle here.

 

[Nexus]

Because it is a Hamas supporter, and having been warned about spreading its divisiveness and hatred in another similar thread, is attempting to do so in this one.

I imagine it thinks it is being subtle here.

Yes, I see it's been busy. Just reading a little of what's being offered by Israel - independence in both Gaza and the West Bank and the restoration of funding in exchange for peace. I'm skeptical - Abu Amir (sp?) for one doesn't seem to be on board yet. I'm not sure how large his following or influence is though. Be a shame if this was just a ruse so they could resupply but I doubt it would change any minds. What think you Gardener?

 

[Mr.Clover]

Yay........!

 

[Gardener]

Yes, I see it's been busy. Just reading a little of what's being offered by Israel - independence in both Gaza and the West Bank and the restoration of funding in exchange for peace. I'm skeptical - Abu Amir (sp?) for one doesn't seem to be on board yet. I'm not sure how large his following or influence is though. Be a shame if this was just a ruse so they could resupply but I doubt it would change any minds. What think you Gardener?

I think there are those who are actually seeking peace as well as those who are only seeking a tactical advantage, so only time will tell. Having seen the process break down despite massive involvement by the U.S., I wonder to what degree the relative lack thereof will make a difference. In general, though,I would say for negotiations to be considered as showing good faith, both sides need to present a credible party with the authority to make the negotiations stick, both parties need to agree to actually negotiate rather than adopting an all or nothing approach, and although perhaps not an absolute necessity, I think it helps to have a neutral third party facilitate the negotiations who is skilled in conflict resolution. That last one's a toughie because of the real or imagined bias by any potential candidate for such a position.

As far as changing minds, I would think a person would need to find a few that are open first.

That is the toughest challenge of all.

 

[Vader]

I sincerely hope the Israelis honor this ceasefire and nuture the possiblities for the sake of peace in the entire Middle East as well.

The Israelis aren't usually responsible for breaking ceasefire agreements.

:doh

 

[Moot]

Why didn't you just simply say you hope both parties honor the ceasefire?

I do hope both parties honor the ceasefire. But if they don't, at least I will have a better understanding why....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...inian-ceasefire-past-present-hope-future.html

 

[Tashah]

I do hope both parties honor the ceasefire. But if they don't, at least I will have a better understanding why....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...inian-ceasefire-past-present-hope-future.html

Israel has indeed honored the ceasefire despite continued rocket attacks by Islamic Jihad. It's obvious that there are Palestinian elements (directed by the Syrian/Iranian alliance) dedicated to scuttling any meaningful attempts at comprehensive treaty negotiations. Until there is a populist unity government in Palestine, disparate political groups and militia's will continue to retard any progress towards a comprehensive and lasting peace agreement.

 

[Billo_Really]

According to Jimmy Carter's new book one of the biggest problems to peace in that region is Israel and its treatment of the Palestinian's.

 

[Tashah]

According to Jimmy Carter's new book one of the biggest problems to peace in that region is Israel and its treatment of the Palestinian's.

Jimmy Carter visited Meet The Press this morning. Not once did he even feign evenhandedness by mentioning any shortcoming of the Palestinians. I'd wager his pulp effort is much the same.

By the way, old age has not been kind to Jimmy. He looks even stranger than he sounds.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Tashah:
By the way, old age has not been kind to Jimmy. He looks even stranger than he sounds.

That he does. That he does.

You made a good point about being even handed. That's all I'm asking for. Is for the door to swing both ways. No double-standards. Each side lives by the same rules with no special favors that discriminate the other.

When we get to that point, it's a beautiful world.

 

[Volker]

By the way, old age has not been kind to Jimmy. He looks even stranger than he sounds.

The way you think he looks does not say anything about the value of his arguments.

 

[BudLizard101]

The way you think he looks does not say anything about the value of his arguments.

Value of his arguements? His arguements are just as valuable as hitler's when he said that Jew's are directly related to monkeys...

Why listen to someone that's obviously anti-Israel? Of course, we CAN listen to someone with actually knowledge of the region, not a blind hate towards one part, but then antisemites won't have much to go on.

 

[Volker]

Value of his arguements? His arguements are just as valuable as hitler's when he said that Jew's are directly related to monkeys...

Oh, a Hitler comparison, some things seems to be fashionable allthrough the years :roll:

Why listen to someone that's obviously anti-Israel? Of course, we CAN listen to someone with actually knowledge of the region, not a blind hate towards one part, but then antisemites won't have much to go on.

So, the man who helped negotiate Camp David suddenly does not have any knowledge of the region, but blind hate, this makes no sense to me.

And of course the anti-Semites can't be missed out, when we talk about Israel :roll:

 

[Volker]

At least Mr. Carter has a good idea about what happened in Lebanon.

SPIEGEL: You also mentioned the hatred for the United States throughout the Arab world which has ensued as a result of the invasion of Iraq. Given this circumstance, does it come as any surprise that Washington's call for democracy in the Middle East has been discredited?

Carter: No, as a matter of fact, the concerns I exposed have gotten even worse now with the United States supporting and encouraging Israel in its unjustified attack on Lebanon.

SPIEGEL: But wasn't Israel the first to get attacked?

Carter: I don't think that Israel has any legal or moral justification for their massive bombing of the entire nation of Lebanon. What happened is that Israel is holding almost 10,000 prisoners, so when the militants in Lebanon or in Gaza take one or two soldiers, Israel looks upon this as a justification for an attack on the civilian population of Lebanon and Gaza. I do not think that's justified, no.

SPIEGEL Interview with Jimmy Carter: "The US and Israel Stand Alone" - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Admittedly, there probably are not many Lebanese prisoners in Israel and the Hezbollah fired a lot of rockets the day they kidnapped the soldiers, but he is correct about it was being unjustified.

 

[BudLizard101]

Admittedly, there probably are not many Lebanese prisoners in Israel and the Hezbollah fired a lot of rockets the day they kidnapped the soldiers, but he is correct about it was being unjustified.

So what would be the justified response? And what crime would someone have to commit for Israel to defend itself "unjustifiably" like it has?

 

[Volker]

So what would be the justified response?

It's what they do now, demanding to give them back and use diplomatic connections to reach this aim.

And what crime would someone have to commit for Israel to defend itself "unjustifiably" like it has?

I don't know a crime which would justify what Israelian forces did in Lebanon this year.

 

[BudLizard101]

It's what they do now, demanding to give them back and use diplomatic connections to reach this aim.

I don't know a crime which would justify what Israelian forces did in Lebanon this year.

Ask Ron Arad how well diplomacy works in these types of situations.

And it's good to know that you see nothing that would justify Israel defending itself.

 

[WI Crippler]

Its amazing to me that people don't draw the line of distinction between uniformed soliders being kidnapped, and terrorists being imprisoned. Its not as if Israel is holding 10,000 uniformed lebanese soliders hostage. They are imprisoning terrorists, not trying to wage a campaign to ethnically cleanse their neighboring states.

 

[Volker]

Ask Ron Arad how well diplomacy works in these types of situations.

He threw bombs to Lebanon, who cares about him.

And it's good to know that you see nothing that would justify Israel defending itself.

We are talking about what they did in Lebanon this year, not about someone defending itself.

 

[Volker]

Its amazing to me that people don't draw the line of distinction between uniformed soliders being kidnapped, and terrorists being imprisoned.

Terrorists wear what they like, this does not make them less terrorists.

Its not as if Israel is holding 10,000 uniformed lebanese soliders hostage. They are imprisoning terrorists, not trying to wage a campaign to ethnically cleanse their neighboring states.

They imprison all kind of a people there, it's like 300 a week or so.

 

[BudLizard101]

He threw bombs to Lebanon, who cares about him.

We are talking about what they did in Lebanon this year, not about someone defending itself.

You just said HZ fired rockets into Israel... so who cares about them? And since they are in the Lebanese gov't, who cares about Lebanon?

And Israel IS defending itself by making sure HZ doesn't have as many rockets, etc to throw into Israel.