Ohio House overrides Taft veto of gun bill (1 Viewer)

[Goobieman]

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COLUMBUS - The Ohio House yesterday exercised a muscle it hasn't used in nearly 17 years, voting to override Gov. Bob Taft's veto of a bill that would wipe out some 80 gun laws in Toledo and other cities.

The issue now goes to the Senate, which is out of town until Tuesday.

The bill passed the chamber last week by a margin of 19-10, one "yes" vote shy of the number needed to override.

But four senators were absent that day, and supporters hope to add at least one to the override column.

The bill loosens some restrictions enacted by lawmakers two years ago when it allowed law-abiding Ohioans to receive permits to carry concealed handguns on their persons and in their cars, purses, briefcases, and backpacks.

Among the laws that would be affected are Toledo ordinances banning assault weapons and so-called Saturday Night Specials, requiring photo-identification cards for gun owners, and establishing safe storage requirements.

Good news for the good guys!!
Bad news for the criminals and the anti-gun whackos!!

 

[danarhea]

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Good news for the good guys!!
Bad news for the criminals and the anti-gun whackos!!

Texas has had this for years. I own a concealed weapon license. Of course, there are still limits. You cant carry your weapon into any place where alcohol is sold (felony with 2-10 year prison sentence). That, of course, is common sense, and is part of the course you have to take in order to receive your permit. You are also subjected to a background check. Ex-felons, and some others are not allowed to have the permit, but if someone is looking to rob you, he is not going to ask the government for permission to carry the weapon he is going to use. Allowing concealed weapons for law abiding citizens evens the playing field, and in the last few years, quite a few robbers, rapists, and other scum, have been shot to death by people lawfully carrying concealed weapons. My favorite story is that of the postal worker in West University who went postal after 2 people tried to rob him. He shot one guy 6 times. Killed him deader than a doornail. The other guy dropped his weapon and ran like hell.

 

[Goobieman]

OH has had shall-issue CCW for a few years, but several municipalities banned th carrying of a weapon in various places - like public parks, etc.

The new law overturns these (and other) ordinances, and relaxes several restrictions on CCW holders.

 

[Kandahar]

COLUMBUS - The Ohio House yesterday exercised a muscle it hasn't used in nearly 17 years, voting to override Gov. Bob Taft's veto of a bill that would wipe out some 80 gun laws in Toledo and other cities.

This is not a good idea. It's one thing for a state to repeal state laws...it's quite another matter entirely for a state to repeal local laws. What ever happened to federalism? Just because a certain law might be a good idea for Appalachia doesn't mean it's a good idea for inner-city Toledo.

 

[Goobieman]

This is not a good idea. It's one thing for a state to repeal state laws...it's quite another matter entirely for a state to repeal local laws. What ever happened to federalism? Just because a certain law might be a good idea for Appalachia doesn't mean it's a good idea for inner-city Toledo.

Federalism describes the relationship between the states and the federal government, not the relationship between the governments within a state. All county city and local governments are state-defined subdivisdions of the state and derive their power from same. Note that the state isnt repealing any local laws, it is pre-empting them.

And the idea here is that people in Ohio have the same rights under the law no matter where they are in Ohio. The state of Ohio defines where people can and cannot carry a concealed weapon, not the local governments.

 

[danarhea]

Federalism describes the relationship between the states and the federal government, not the relationship between the governments within a state. All county city and local governments are state-defined subdivisdions of the state and derive their power from same. Note that the state isnt repealing any local laws, it is pre-empting them.

And the idea here is that people in Ohio have the same rights under the law no matter where they are in Ohio. The state of Ohio defines where people can and cannot carry a concealed weapon, not the local governments.

I agree, and let me add that any new rules and regulations which result in more personal freedom I am totally in favor of. It's not like the government is restricting freedom, but backing off of restrictions, which is perfectly in line with Libertarian principles.

 

[Kandahar]

Federalism describes the relationship between the states and the federal government, not the relationship between the governments within a state.

The idea is that local governments should have power over local issues, and "higher" governments should have power over higher issues. Gun control seems like a local issue to me, because the same policies won't work everywhere.

All county city and local governments are state-defined subdivisdions of the state and derive their power from same. Note that the state isnt repealing any local laws, it is pre-empting them.

I realize that local governments aren't constitutionally mandated in the same way that the states are, but the IDEA of federalism still applies. Whether it repeals or preempts a local law, the result is the same. Local governments won't have the ability to do what they think is best for the people within their jurisdiction.

And the idea here is that people in Ohio have the same rights under the law no matter where they are in Ohio. The state of Ohio defines where people can and cannot carry a concealed weapon, not the local governments.

You're telling me the way it is, rather than WHY it should be that way. Do you disagree that laws that work in Appalachia don't necessarily work in inner-city Toledo, and vice versa? Obviously gun control would be a terrible idea for Appalachia, and the residents would certainly vote against any local candidate advocating it. I doubt gun control would have a big impact on urban crime either, but if the local governments want to try it, I don't see what the problem is.

 

[Goobieman]

The idea is that local governments should have power over local issues, and "higher" governments should have power over higher issues. Gun control seems like a local issue to me, because the same policies won't work everywhere.

Gun control might be a local issue but the state is protecting the rights of its people from local governments that would otherwise take it away.
The state have every right to do that, and should do so whenever it can.

I realize that local governments aren't constitutionally mandated in the same way that the states are, but the IDEA of federalism still applies.

No it doesnt. Cities and towns are not sovereign entities, and they do not combine together to create the state. As they are not sovereign eentities, they do not have the right to decide that certain people in the state have a specific right while others do not.

 

[rathi]

Among the laws that would be affected are Toledo ordinances banning assault weapons and so-called Saturday Night Specials, requiring photo-identification cards for gun owners, and establishing safe storage requirements.

The first two laws are stupid and I certainly support repealing them, but I'm not sure about the last one.Why remove requirements for safe storage? Any competent gun owner will store his gun safely, so this shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Cold Dirt]

The first two laws are stupid and I certainly support repealing them, but I'm not sure about the last one.Why remove requirements for safe storage? Any competent gun owner will store his gun safely, so this shouldn't be an issue.

Any competent gun owner doesnt need to be told to either.

Why does the govt have to always stick their noses where it doesn't belong?

People that own guns and are not responsible enough to keep out of reach of a child isn't going to change just because the state tells them to.

 

[TurtleDude]

I was a leader of the attempt to keep cincinnati from "me-tooing" other assault weapon bans in the late 80's. The leaders of the gun ban admitted the law had no effect upon real criminals. A city can only impose MISDEMEANOR violatons and people who already commit a state or federal felony by using or even owning an "assault weapon" aren't going to be deterred. Since non-felons can still buy these weapons in the suburbs, the only people harmed by these stupid laws are law abiding citizens in those idiotic cities. I moved out of cincinnati in 1989.

the entire purpose of these laws were to harass gun owners. one individual-former cincinnati mayor (and one term congressman-his gun policies contributed to his loss since his district was far more pro gun than the city of cincinnati)David Mann admitted he hoped "NRA" types like yours truly would move out of his district. He said gun owners tended to be against "progressive" ideas he championed (like "prevailing wages" in order to kill private competition and racist affirmative action policies that meant the CFD or CPD couldn't promote a white officer unless it also promoted a black one as well)

the city of cincinnati is a Democrat enclave. the council tend to be gun haters who are upset that Ohio doesnt ban guns. these idiotic laws are a reaction to Ohio not banning the weapons

all these laws do are to harass honest people or serve as an excuse to make minor league criminals out of people who don't violate real laws. I know for a fact that thousands of "banned guns" were bought by cincinnati residents since I was counsel for two major league dealers. Yet less than 100 people registered (for grandfathering purposes) their "banned guns

the ban also was idiotic. If you bought an AR-15 that came with a 30 round magazine it is illegal in cincinnati even if you only have the legal ten round magazines. If you bought the same gun that came with a 10 round magazine, it is legal

 

[jamesrage]

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Good news for the good guys!!
Bad news for the criminals and the anti-gun whackos!!

It is nice seeing the good guys win.

 

[ModerateDem]

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Good news for the good guys!!
Bad news for the criminals and the anti-gun whackos!!

many of my liberal friends were apprehensive about his and did not like this. I, naturally, celebrated being the gun lover that I am. many of my Democratic friends do not understand how I could have won the presidency of the College Democratic organization at my college and not be as liberal on such things as they are. my answer: "I am a Moderate!"

 

[TurtleDude]

Boob Taft was overridden today as the Ohio State Senate voted 21-12 to override his moronic veto. This now means that little socialist enclaves cannot harass people forced to live in their city limits with idiotic gun bans.

 

[Goobieman]

In all honesty, given how long it took OH to get a shall-issue concealed carry law, I'm surprised they did overriode the veto.

Good to see there is still some semblance of sense left on Ohio politicians.

Even better to see another loss handed to the anti-gun loons.

Speaking of loss...
Just found out Colonel Jeff Cooper died.
Cooper, firearms expert, dead at 86 - Instrumental in firearms training to thousands
Great man.
Great, great man.
RIP.