Oh Flori-duh!

[NotreDame]

How do you liberal socialists think healthcare cost are paid for without money? In other words, no economy, no taxes, no taxes, no free stuff for you socialists.

It may still present some health risks to open up, but clearly after so many months of shut down, "the cure is worse than cold". Plus, all the destruction from "peaceful protests" your side has encouraged all summer long hasn't helped local economies already struggling from covid. You want to be upset about something, be upset about that.

Hello kettle.

Yes, shutdowns are painful. Yes, they have an economic imapct. But a lack of proper leadership from Trump and DeSantis has circled right back to what they want to avoid, shutdowns, closures, lost revenue. Why?

Because some Americans are too damn stupid to figure the two plus two equation that equals four. Masks, social distancing, hand washing, and strict enforcement!

But what do we get instead? A Dumb and Dumber approach by Trump, Dumb, and DeSantis, Dumber, as, by their words and conduct, encourage the very conduct that facilitates the spread of Covid-19. It is a damn rerun. I am watching a rerun of a prior episode where morons do X, more people are infected, more people are hospitalized, and deaths increase, and once again the morons are forced to do the thing they dislike, shutdowns.

It is simple. The equation is simple. Failure to requires masks, failure to enforce, failure to require social distancing, failure to enforce, where the people choose behave irresponsibly, to the physical detriment and palpable risk of others, produced the inexorable result of more positives, more hospitalizations, more deaths. It is elementary, 2+2=4. Then again, maybe Trump and DeSantis aren’t that bright after all.


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[Jay59]

New York is no longer a hot spot. Florida is. The surge isn't over yet in Florida.

Florida is not a hot spot. There are no hot spots nationally. We are long past the point where hospitals can be overwhelmed, so we should be treating this like, say, N1H1.

Almost seven hundred thousand confirmed cases and almost fourteen thousand deaths in florida and you call that nitpicking. I'm certainly glad you are not one of my relatives. Stellar job. I would hate to see what a bad job looks like.

Yes, I call that nit picking.

The bad job is call New York/New Jersey.

Yeah, nice deflection. So, saying the state isn’t as bad as New York isn’t an indication your state has done a “steal lad job.” The reasoning of the state of Florida doesn’t suck as bad as New York doesn’t mean Florida is not still doing quite a sucky job itself. The numbers for Florida are the measurements. Florida’s numbers of over 14,000 dead, and over 600,000 positives, isn’t a manifesto to the rest of the country to follow Florida’s lead, they’ve done a swimmingly good job.

Glad you agree.

 

[NotreDame]

Did any nation (other than China, the people who put this virus on us) have any plan to handle this pandemic? Britain, France, Germany, or others?

The silliness of your comment is typical coming from the left.

Why, yes!

South Korea did have a plan. They followed their plan and are doing very well. As a matter of fact, their lives are nearly back to normal. Canada, NZ, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, Ice Land, my ICE LAND, all had plans, instituted their plans, and have done very well controlling the virus, and have life nearly back to normal without any parallel number of cases or deaths.


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[ludin]

They have worked. The number of positive cases has declined, deaths have declined, both attributable to the lockdowns and masks.


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wrong. they were a failure.
they did nothing to actually stop the virus.

it was nothing more than a masquerade of the red death activity.

masks, washing hands and keeping social distances has proven more effective.

lock downs have destroyed peoples lives for no reason.

 

[dairyair]

I would be concerned if my grandparents lived there. Even worse, I don’t know what I would if my grandparents live in Florida and believed Trump and DeSantis.

As long as your grandparents are of sound mind, they can make their own decisions on staying healthy and safe. They made it until their 60s at least.

 

[ludin]

Common sense says they were effective. Their efficacy demonstrated by declining positives, declining positivity rate, and declining deaths. The shutdowns combined with masks has produced the lower numbers.


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noy really that is why europe and israel are locking down again.

so no lock downs didn't work. lock downs do not solve the virus issue.

 

[NotreDame]

Florida is not a hot spot. There are no hot spots nationally. We are long past the point where hospitals can be overwhelmed, so we should be treating this like, say, N1H1.


Yes, I call that nit picking.

The bad job is call New York/New Jersey.


Glad you agree.

It is telling you cannot argue the data as favorable for Florida’s approach.

Yes, if over 14,000 and over 600,000 cases is the object, Florida has done well. I’m not convinced, however, those are numbers for other states to emulate. I’m not convinced those numbers are worthy of bragging about.


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[ludin]

As long as your grandparents are of sound mind, they can make their own decisions on staying healthy and safe. They made it until their 60s at least.

you have to realize that these leftist think they are smarter than everyone else and know what is better for everyone.

the issue is that 9/10 times they have no clue what they are talking about.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Incorrect. NYC is currently in phase 4 of its reopening plan.

The Bronx is spiking and they are reopening?

Kinda two faced isn't it?

 

[dairyair]

It will continue to ramp up until Nov 4.. then it will feel very slow with flu shots but really it will be a quick transition back to norm by Turkey day.
Weeks later, folks will ask what happened to Covid? Must have been the vaccine...

That's a pretty guilible statement.
It will be around all winter, it could still be an issue thru much of next summer.

It is not a hoax, I assume that is your opinion on it.

 

[NotreDame]

wrong. they were a failure.
they did nothing to actually stop the virus.

it was nothing more than a masquerade of the red death activity.

lock downs have destroyed peoples lives for no reason.

Evidence simply does not support your claim “they were a failure.”

The shutdown in Florida abated and then reduced their number of positives, hospitalizations, and deaths.

masks, washing hands and keeping social distances has proven more effective.

Except when they are not done, and too many knuckleheads in Florida didn’t do those simple things and their overall numbers in three crucial categories spiked. When the people are too stupid to act appropriately, shutdowns are imminent to assuage the inexorable outcome of their stupidity, which is more positives, more hospitalizations, more deaths.

lock downs have destroyed peoples lives for no reason

For no reason? How about over 200,000 dead reasons. How about over 6 million positives. Over 14,000 dead reasons in Florida. Over a staggering 25,000 dead reasons in New York.

There are very compelling reasons for the shutdowns. Your type of thinking just adds needlessly to the body count.


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[Schweddy]

It is not a hoax, I assume that is your opinion on it.

I do not believe it is a hoax at all. I do believe that is blown way out of proportion. No one wants to be the business that gets sued because someone gets Covid in their establishment.

 

[dairyair]

you have to realize that these leftist think they are smarter than everyone else and know what is better for everyone.

the issue is that 9/10 times they have no clue what they are talking about.

fyi, 95% of the time, I am called leftist.
But in this case, it is better understood how is spreads, how to protect oneself, etc. Back in March, I was for shutting things down to get it under control and get more info on how it transmits and how to protect oneself.
I still wash my hands more in a day than I usually did in a week.

 

[dairyair]

I do not believe it is a hoax at all. I do believe that is blown way out of proportion. No one wants to be the business that gets sued because someone gets Covid in their establishment.

Then how can you state it will go away Nov 4th? Makes no sense. It will be here for at least 6 more months. Likely longer.

 

[Artymoon]

Since you bring up a question no will answer, would you like to take a shot at how many Deaths are acceptable so that, people can pack into movie theaters' and bars?
It isn't 100,000 Deaths, already did that one, 200,000 Deaths, nope passed that by already, how about 300,000 we should hit that by the end of the year, maybe 500,000 or how about a Million, how many Deaths are acceptable?

Living is a risk. We can't stay holed up forever. I hate it when anyone dies for any reason. We knew from the beginning that this virus was here to stay. Overwhelming resources was the driving factor for closing shop. We've since got a handle on that. So we've shifted predictably to death count.

 

[Casper]

Living is a risk. We can't stay holed up forever. I hate it when anyone dies for any reason. We knew from the beginning that this virus was here to stay. Overwhelming resources was the driving factor for closing shop. We've since got a handle on that. So we've shifted predictably to death count.

Ok, so you can't or won't answer the question either. Noted.

 

[bearpoker]

Our governor announced as of today bars and restaurants are to be fully opened and cities or counties can no longer fine people for not wearing a mask.

Business is obviously much more important than people's health in the middle of a pandemic in flori-duh. How long until we see another spike? How many people have to die each day so businesses can have their restrictions lifted until it is considered a bad idea?

That's what happens when you have a Trump fluffer for a governor. The fun thing is that the spike will hit along with the election. Creative voter suppression.

 

[Artymoon]

There’s nothing to “admit”, and there is no other universal acceptable percentage with other viruses.

You’re no better than everyone else who’s playing political games with the pandemic. Shameful and disgusting.

The term "Admitting" is pointed to people like yourselves who want things shut down but cannot provide an end date. When will you be happy to open things back up? When it's is it acceptable to resume life? Instead of screaming someone is an idiot for doing this or that, what's your solution? I would accuse you of playing political games yourself but that would be juvenile wouldn't it?

 

[iguanaman]

Florida has done a stellar job with the pandemic. Compare the results to, say, New York which has a similar population.

Why are you picking nits?

At least 14,000 dead is nothing approaching a "Stellar job" We have had more Covid 19 cases then Italy too. NYC had 21% of its population infected before we even knew it was here. They were blindsided, what is our governors excuse?

If Florida were a country, it would rank No. 9 in the number of Covid-19 cases worldwide, according to Johns Hopkins data Monday.
Eight countries have higher counts than Florida: the United States, Brazil, India, Russia, Peru, Chile, Mexico, and the United Kingdom.
And more than 100 countries have fewer Covid-19 cases than Florida, including France, Germany and Japan.

https://whdh.com/news/florida-has-m...-these-stats-show-how-serious-the-problem-is/

 

[Bullseye]

Our governor announced as of today bars and restaurants are to be fully opened and cities or counties can no longer fine people for not wearing a mask.

Business is obviously much more important than people's health in the middle of a pandemic in flori-duh. How long until we see another spike? How many people have to die each day so businesses can have their restrictions lifted until it is considered a bad idea?

People losing their homes, business, unable to feed their families, increased suicides, and domestic violence is pretty serious, too.

 

[Artymoon]

Ok, so you can't or won't answer the question either. Noted.

I don't want anyone to die. But we can't hide from this and eventually are going to have to come out. Do you have an acceptable number for drinking and driving deaths? cancer from tobacco? drug use? obesity? criminal activity? and on and on... I hope you carry the same passion for these as you seem to for Covid.

 

[iguanaman]

The term "Admitting" is pointed to people like yourselves who want things shut down but cannot provide an end date. When will you be happy to open things back up? When it's is it acceptable to resume life? Instead of screaming someone is an idiot for doing this or that, what's your solution? I would accuse you of playing political games yourself but that would be juvenile wouldn't it?

The CDC has rules that determine when reopening is safe. They include testing numbers under 5% positive and a system of contact tracing to deal with hotspots too. There is ZERO contact tracing in Florida and most counties are still above 5%.

 

[Bullseye]

The CDC has rules that determine when reopening is safe. They include testing numbers under 5% positive and a system of contact tracing to deal with hotspots too. There is ZERO contact tracing in Florida and most counties are still above 5%.

Based on history I'd say the CDC has "guesses" rather than rules.

 

[iguanaman]

I don't want anyone to die. But we can't hide from this and eventually are going to have to come out. Do you have an acceptable number for drinking and driving deaths? cancer from tobacco? drug use? obesity? criminal activity? and on and on... I hope you carry the same passion for these as you seem to for Covid.

I will certainly keep "hiding" until the numbers are under control and I recommend all Floridians do the same. Going to bars or restaurants are just asking to be infected. Don't be a fool and become a statistic. We can get through this. Oh and if you want to live vote for Biden. Trump does not care how many die.

 

[iguanaman]

Based on history I'd say the CDC has "guesses" rather than rules.

Yes Trump knows better I'm sure. He knows everything better.