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Official warns illinois finances in 'massive crisis mode'


The newest mantra is that the Russians hacked the election. Might be easier to prevent that if each vote was tied to an ID...
 
1) not sure how one has 'one party rule ' with a Dem house and GOP governor.

2) if you don't know what a structural issue is, maybe it's better if you listened more and talked less.

Says a poster called ThreeGoofs.
 
This is just crazy. Why isn't there some mechanism that can hold the state legislature accountable? Just DISGUSTING.

There is no accountability anywhere in america. Here's a reality no one wants to admit; you cannot run an economic system predicated upon mass consumption if the unsubstantial people don't have livable wages to spend because they've been held stagnant for half a century while the wealth from all increases in productivity have been redistributed to a few at the top. First the system decided it no longer required the american public for production and they sought that elsewhere. Then they decided that they no longer required the american public for the consumption end either. Capital has simply moved on to greener pastures and we keep clinging to a past that has left.
 
The newest mantra is that the Russians hacked the election. Might be easier to prevent that if each vote was tied to an ID...

Odd that one would point to something that is confirmed by all US intelligence sources as a 'mantra'.... but please, tell us how photo ID would prevent Russia from influencing a US election by hacking email servers and attempting to manipulate results of electronic voting machines.

Because the pretend 'mantra' that there are millions of people voting illegally because they dont have ID's has been pretty much shown to be a myth (although feel free to produce the evidence of massive voter fraud if you have it).
 
And you just proved that you don't know jack or **** about the history of Illinois, Fletch .

We know that the left makes it a habit of blaming things on Republicans, even when Democrats are in charge. Hell, many lefties are still blaming Reagan for a number of things.
 
There is, however the mechanism failed. It's called voters, and they blew it.

To be fair, yes voters are pretty dumb when it comes to the economy, finances, and jobs, but Chicago is the most crooked city in the nation where chronyism reigns. That's the main reason I moved away from IL 5 years ago. The writing was on the wall back then even. Their demise should come sooner but they are now punishing future generations by creating wealth from massive debt. Good luck with that plan when IL gets downgraded to junk status.



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Absolutely not. madigan is the wizard behind the curtain.

He knows... lol
Madigan is King of Cook county.


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Wait, we can put politicians in prison for spending more than they get in revenue? Why was I not informed?!

Don't feed trolls


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He's been in office a little over 2 years... these problems aren't something new, it's the sins of the past coming due.

No, they aren't anything new, but Rauner has done nothing to help the situation. He was given a budget bill that cut $1 billion and raised no taxes, yet he vetoed it anyways.
 
We know that the left makes it a habit of blaming things on Republicans, even when Democrats are in charge. Hell, many lefties are still blaming Reagan for a number of things.

Love all the non-Illinoisians pointing fingers when they don't understand the basic roots of the problem. I also find it funny that some Illinoisians here are doing the same thing.

This isn't really a partisan issue at its root. The centerpiece for most of this is that the public pension system in Illinois has been systemically looted by both parties for decades, because its easier to do stuff like this then raise taxes or cut spending. Now the bill is coming due for the last few decades.

Illinois actually has pretty reasonable spending, so the whining BS about how the dems are spending crazily is BS. IL ranks #37/50 in spending per capita.

Total State Expenditures per Capita | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Taxes aren't unreasonable either, ranking #14/50, so the whining about how tax rates are crushing the economy is BS too.

But we have a large debt, mostly driven by underfunded pensions, which allows the state to pay employees cheaply now for a promise of a nice pension later. And since the pension guarantees were literally written into the Constitution back in 1971 or so (in a bipartisan manner), the issue is not partisan, its politicians taking the easy way out and voters agreeing, kicking the can down the road.

But lately, its come to a stupid climax, with Rauner trying to force completely incompatible ideas into the budget, and doing things like cutting the state income tax in an environment that should have demanded it remain what it was. Madigan, corrupt as he is, doesnt really have a choice but to not buckle in to the ridiculous Rauner demands, and Rauner thinks that he's getting political points by functionally shutting the whole budget process down.
 
For some reason Illinois and California are the examples every Liberal forgets when coming down on Kansas.

When it comes to GSP, California is #1 and Illinois is #5. Kansas is #32.
 
The dems keep raising taxes without spending cuts.

Illinois is bottom half of states when it comes to spending per capita. Some of you guys keep pretending we spending more than any other state besides California. This is not a problem of having too many programs. This is a problem of past legislators refusing to pay the bills.
 

A well-thought-out non-partisan perspective on Illinois budget. Finally.
 
Well, the largest problem is that pension plans cannot be reined in because of a provision on the Constitution, and the GOP will not allow revenue to rise so these obligations can be met.

But your analysis is very quaint.

Really? Property taxes have gone up, state income taxes have gone up, sales tax has gone up. Spending has not gone down. Your analysis is false. Raising revenue has been tried. Decreasing spending has not.
 
No, they aren't anything new, but Rauner has done nothing to help the situation. He was given a budget bill that cut $1 billion and raised no taxes, yet he vetoed it anyways.

We both know why he vetoed that bill. Care to share with the forum? C'mon, you know you wanna.
 

GDP or GSP is not a accurte measure of the health of State or National economy

Illinois is on the verge of bankruptcy and the closest California can get to a budget surplus is to lie about proejections
 

Cmon, you know better or you should.


They raised rates 67%, then dropped PART of the increase. Overall rates went up.
 
At least we don't have a several decades history of voter suppression as Texas does .

No, but we do have several decades of ballot box stuffing and dead people voting in Chicago.
 
The main budget problem in Illinois by far is funding the exorbitant pension plans.
 
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