Officer in the Hague shoots axe wielding man in the chest, he is going to be prosecuted

[code1211]

Which has nothing to do with police being prosecuted for violating someones rights.

But they were not soldiers dead as casualties of battle.

 

[Peter King]

A Dutch police officer has failed to get his traffic ticket for 240 euros/260 dollars thrown out by the highest court he could appeal to.

The officer was in his private car on the A6 (name of the freeway), he was the contact person for a drugs smuggling operation by the national mail carrier/package delivery service. When he was driving on the A6 the mail company called him, he thought it had to do with the operation he was busy with. He decided to pick up his phone and operate it in a non-hands free manner. The officer said he should not be fined because he said it was a necessary police duty when he picked up his phone.

But the officer who saw him call non-hands free gave him a ticket when they saw him doing this. Now this is where it is different compared to the US, he was not pulled over, he got his ticket on his drivers license. No need to hinder the traffic by pulling the man over on a busy road.

The officer said it was a call that could not wait and that this allowed him to violate the traffic laws because he said before he took the call he made sure the traffic would allow it. In the Netherlands police officers can ignore traffic laws if there is a proper reason for this, like following a suspect, going to a call that was time sensitive, etc. etc. The officer asked the judge to dismiss the fine as the need for him to take this call falls into the right of the police to ignore traffic laws.

The judges said, HELL NO buddy, from the photo's provided to the judge he could see that the officer who got the fine was constantly in the fast lane, driving close behind another and had just 1 hand on the steering wheel. Now if he had gone into the slow lane, decreased his speed then maybe he could have gotten away with it. The judge said that the officer could not use his police job and freedom to violate traffic laws justified him taking this call.

So the fine stands, the officer is going to have to pay the 260 dollar ticket.


AND!!!! the officer is going to have to pay that ticket himself. The police DOES not pay avoidable traffic tickets for officers. If an officer speeds without reason, parks illegally, then HE is going to have to pay for the ticket.

 

[Outlook]

The officer did not give off a warning shot to try and make the person listen and comply and he shot immediately at the core of the person, the region of the body that is most likely to lead to fatalities. In the Netherlands officers are also trained to shoot out the leg so that the thread is neutralized.

Warning shot? LOL Obviously you have no clue how to handle a gun.
Why aren't the officers equipped with tasers?
An axe is a deadly weapon and if necessary deadly force can be used.

 

[Peter King]

Warning shot? LOL Obviously you have no clue how to handle a gun.
Why aren't the officers equipped with tasers?
An axe is a deadly weapon and if necessary deadly force can be used.

Actually I do not have a clue how to handle a gun and I would not want to have a clue. I personally detest guns, as do the majority of Dutch people.

And warning shots are used by police officers in the Netherlands, they are trained to use guns and will have been trained to fire off a warning shot. And if need by they will shoot, preferably in a way that does not kill someone as was done in this case, the man was shot but survived. Our officers are not trained to shoot for the maximum damage and the maximum bullets fired.

Dutch police officers get 50 hours of gun training in the first year of education and in the 3 following that 14 at school and if I am not mistaken a minimum of 32 hours of training every year they work on the job. But police officers have asked for that training regime to be increased (more weapons fire training a year).

During your training you will be trained in arrest firing, you fail if you hit head or upper body. If you need to fire in an emergency situation you first shoot for the legs (in training) and if that fails you are allowed to target the upper body or head, you are allowed in this training exercise to fire of 4 rounds of 2 shots.

So as said, firing during an arrest of someone is only allowed to shoot in parts that are not the upper body or head. In emergencies you are allowed to do that but preferably again not the head or the upper body due to the high risk of fatality.

 

[Outlook]

Actually I do not have a clue how to handle a gun and I would not want to have a clue. I personally detest guns, as do the majority of Dutch people.

And warning shots are used by police officers in the Netherlands, they are trained to use guns and will have been trained to fire off a warning shot. And if need by they will shoot, preferably in a way that does not kill someone as was done in this case, the man was shot but survived. Our officers are not trained to shoot for the maximum damage and the maximum bullets fired.

Dutch police officers get 50 hours of gun training in the first year of education and in the 3 following that 14 at school and if I am not mistaken a minimum of 32 hours of training every year they work on the job. But police officers have asked for that training regime to be increased (more weapons fire training a year).

During your training you will be trained in arrest firing, you fail if you hit head or upper body. If you need to fire in an emergency situation you first shoot for the legs (in training) and if that fails you are allowed to target the upper body or head, you are allowed in this training exercise to fire of 4 rounds of 2 shots.

So as said, firing during an arrest of someone is only allowed to shoot in parts that are not the upper body or head. In emergencies you are allowed to do that but preferably again not the head or the upper body due to the high risk of fatality.

Why don't police have non-lethal weapons such as tasers?

This is why warning shots are not advisable.

Injuries reported after Dutch police fire warning shots at anti-lockdown protest

At least two people were wounded after police in the Dutch city of Rotterdam fired warning shots during a protest over Covid-19 measures on Friday, the first of a handful of anti-lockdown protests planned across Europe this weekend.

www.cnn.com

It looks like Netherlands have the same problems as any other country.
https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/analyses/no-213-holland-police-firearms.pdf

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I doubt the police fail their training if they shot the head or torso. At a distance do you know how tough it is to hit the head or torso especially if the target is moving? Your telling me they have to hit their leg? LOL
What happens if the officer hits the femoral artery? Oops

 

[Peter King]

Why don't police have non-lethal weapons such as tasers?

This is why warning shots are not advisable.

Injuries reported after Dutch police fire warning shots at anti-lockdown protest

At least two people were wounded after police in the Dutch city of Rotterdam fired warning shots during a protest over Covid-19 measures on Friday, the first of a handful of anti-lockdown protests planned across Europe this weekend.

www.cnn.com

It looks like Netherlands have the same problems as any other country.
https://www.statewatch.org/media/documents/analyses/no-213-holland-police-firearms.pdf

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That state watch report is just ridiculous, there have never been more than 27 shooting incidents in an entire year in the last years making this story of statewatch a bit inaccurate. The number of police shootings stays about statistically the same, sometimes a bit under 20 and only once above 25 shooting incidents.

Most of the people who get shot were under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol (like 3 out of 4). Many had psychological problems, etc. etc.

And our police not only is always worried about the shooting incidents, so much that in 2022 a complete study was made about how many times the people were either involved or suspected of criminal activities, I have seen that their home situation was studied, their mental health, their financial situation, their criminal or non criminal past, age, gender, location of the shooting incident, time of day, nationality, migration status, etc. etc. etc.

But most of the shooting incidents are of people in emotional/mental crisis situation with erratic and violent behavior. 84% of all shooting incidents happen there.

FYI, with police deaths is not just shooting incidents but also death of natural causes while in police custody, accidents (jumping out of window) and even suicide by gun or hanging.

I doubt the police fail their training if they shot the head or torso. At a distance do you know how tough it is to hit the head or torso especially if the target is moving? Your telling me they have to hit their leg? LOL
What happens if the officer hits the femoral artery? Oops

Dodelijk rompschot​

Bij de verplichte schiettoets wordt getraind op zogenaamd aanhoudingsvuur, noodweer en precisievuur. Daarbij wordt respectievelijk gemikt op de benen van een fictieve verdachte, zijn romp of op een klassieke ‘roos’. Een misser is op sommige momenten toegestaan, maar een dodelijk rompschot afvuren terwijl de benen moeten worden geraakt leidt ertoe dat een agent direct voor een toets is gezakt

Fatal shot to the torso

During the mandatory shooting test police officers are trained in shootings during arrests, exigent circumstances (threat to life) and precision fire. In those cases the police will have to target either the legs of a fictitious suspect, the torso of a suspect or the classical bulls eye targeting. Missing a shot is allowed in some circumstances but delivering a fatal shot to the torso during the portion that is meant to target the legs will lead to an immediate fail for officer in the shooting test.

https://www.tubantia.nl/home/agente...cb=bd7a39345d321337da9206879358ba6e&auth_rd=1

 

[Deuce]

Just more evidence of how decadent European societies will continue to fall further. At the point where police are issued deadly force yet prosecuted for using it against a clear deadly force threat.

This is someone who should actually be eligible for asylum against political persecution.

LOL you want to compare crime and poverty stats for the Dutch?

 

[Peter King]

Something different from the Dutch police, a local beat cop (wijkagent) has visited an 80 year old man at home who stole some lunch meat and cheese for about 20 dollars. Because he was a first offender, the money value was below 55 dollars, he was just given a warning from the DA.

The local beat cop has organized help for the 80 year old man and will visit the man to see how the man has fared with the help that ought to help him get through the financial problems.