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ha. As I've noticed before, the only person who believes you on this forum is you.
Interesting.
So Muslims go to that hell of yours, Buddhists do, followers of Shintoism do? Not to mention the many in the world living in such geographical seclusion as to never have heard of any of the above?
Man (if that's what you are seeing how the "Logic" in your name hardly holds up already), if you were representative of Christianity, then it would be in a helluva state.
As you've no doubt gathered meanwhile, I don't choose anything or anyone that you state. That make me stupid?
Go on, just confirm it.
Fair enough, not implausible.Sorry, not buying it.
Bethlehem was known by the Biblical prophet Micah as one of the smallest communities in all of Judea, so just how many babies 2 years old or younger do you really think there were? Three? Five? Maybe ten?
For the record, Professor William F. Albright, the dean of American archaeology in the Holy Land, estimates that the population of Bethlehem at the time of Jesus' birth to be about 300 people (Albright and Mann 1971:19). The number of male children, two years old or younger, would be about six or seven (Maier 1998:178, footnote 25). This would hardly be a newsworthy event in light of what else was going on at the time (Biblearchaeology.org).
Considering all the butchery Herod was involved in, even murdering people in his own family, I don't see the Bethlehem killing as a major news story, especially since CNN and FOX and the other networks didn't even exist back then.
educate yourself on the argument from silence, you appear not to know its definition (don't bother with Wiki, they're not in-depth).Finally, they don't call an argument from silence (which is what you're making), a logical fallacy, for nothing.
Fair enough, not implausible.
Even more plausible (considering Herod's somewhat homicidally-psychopathic nature) would be that he wouldn't send out a squad to kill just 6, 10 or twenty babies. More like "mop up the surrounding countryside while you're at it, just to be on the safe side".
Sure, that's assuming. But you're leading the way.educate yourself on the argument from silence, you appear not to know its definition (don't bother with Wiki, they're not in-depth).
I don't care what you believe either.Personally I don't care what you believe. But if you're going to post false information about Jesus and the Bible, then I'll choose to refute it or move on.
with a finger in each ear shouting "did too"?I'll stick with what I presented.
I don't care what you believe either.
Not having read all of your posts I can conclude only from sampling. And that sampling leads to the conclusion that the day is still to come when you successfully refute anything at all.
Moving on is probably a good idea for you, always bringing a penknife to a gunfight can't be all that pleasing in the long run.:mrgreen:
I knew that decades ago. Also that the "two and under" didn't surface until James (Protoevangelium) around 150 C.E. (Matthew mentions it not).Well, you're the one who hopefully learned something today regarding the size of Bethlehem and the probably composition of children two and under.
Obviously Moses was a fictional character as demonstrated by the complete lack of any archaeological, linguistic or recorded evidence of the Exodus.
That doesn't make any sense. You're basically saying "I don't have faith in god because I think there is no god and it's all just an invention of man". That's a tautology and as such not a very useful argument; you're just repeating the same thing twice and using it as evidence of itself.I am not religious but I am not an atheists and the reason I have not faith in any God is all are man made.
The life and impact of Jesus is horrible to say the least.
Watching the show last night proved beyond any question we are even more savage to each other now than we were back then.
That being said, is Jesus working, was his life futile
and please do not respond with "The good will go to heaven after this life" type responses, we have all heard those before.
His word was to love one another, etc. and that is simply not happening is it?
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Yes, that link gives the meaning.
A hole in the ground covered up as in a grave or cemetery, or as a tomb.
I did agree with you.hell (n.) Look up hell at Dictionary.com
Old English hel, helle, "nether world, abode of the dead, infernal regions," from Proto-Germanic *haljo "the underworld" (cognates: f. Old Frisian helle, Dutch hel, Old Norse hel, German Hölle, Gothic halja "hell") "the underworld," literally "concealed place" (compare Old Norse hellir "cave, cavern"), from PIE *kel- (2) "to cover, conceal" (see cell).
The English word may be in part from Old Norse Hel (from Proto-Germanic *halija "one who covers up or hides something"), in Norse mythology the name of Loki's daughter, who rules over the evil dead in Niflheim, the lowest of all worlds (nifl "mist"). Transfer of a pagan concept and word to a Christian idiom. In Middle English, also of the Limbus Patrum, place where the Patriarchs, Prophets, etc. awaited the Atonement. Used in the KJV for Old Testament Hebrew Sheol and New Testament Greek Hades, Gehenna. Used figuratively for "state of misery, any bad experience" since at least late 14c. As an expression of disgust, etc., first recorded 1670s.
I obviously haven't seen "Killing Jesus," so I'm uncertain of what you're referring to rhinefire when you mention infants and children ... but more over to the Point: Jesus isn't real. Sure, okay, there may have been a historical Jesus, but his "story" as it is described in the Gospels just didn't happen. There was no Sermon on the Mount, trial, crucifixion or resurrection. The story is a result of a evolved mythology, that took shape over the course of 60 years. It has little historical basis.
Of course, that sure doesn't stop us from discussing the New Testament narrative as a nonfiction story. In which case, what was this thing about infants and children?
Are you kidding? The world is more at peace and kinder to one another right now than it has ever been in its history.
You don't believe me? One word: Cannibalism. Something that used to be very, very common and practiced by entire societies, but now rarely, if ever occurs.
Those kids were only a local thing about tribal dominance and the chieftain's legitimacy.
What I see is that you are making two (2) mistakes which come from the brainwashing of us all, as we must un-learn things first before we can see more clear.
First is that the Roman Empire in all of its life and territories was a horribly savage brutal and inhuman reality and it was never ever glamorous or enlightened.
The 2nd thing is that Jesus was just a powerful person but Jesus was not God, and all humans are children (sons and daughters) of the Father God.
I agree with the "Reply #2 from joG" in that murdering babies (or children) is what is done by the "tribal dominance and the chieftain's legitimacy", and we still today murder babies by the millions through abortions and other means as humanity is still violently barbaric today and ongoing.
Jesus brought a powerful message to the entire world - oh yes, but most people fail to understand the message of Christ.
Give the reason they were murdered.
(facepalm)
Historical sources for Moses
Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archaeological Evidence for the Exodus
IBSS - Biblical Archaeology - Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt
The existence of Moses as well as the veracity of the Exodus story are disputed among archaeologists and Egyptologists, with experts in the field of biblical criticism citing logical inconsistencies, new archaeological evidence, historical evidence, and related origin myths in Canaanite culture.[4][5][6] Other historians maintain that the biographical details and Egyptian background attributed to Moses imply the existence of a historical political and religious leader who was involved in the consolidation of the Hebrew tribes in Canaan towards the end of the Bronze Age.
4]"Princeton University Press Press Reviews, retrieved 6th June 2009". Press.princeton.edu
5]The Quest for the Historical Israel: Debating Archeology and the History of Early Israel, 2007, Society of Biblical Literature, Atlanta, ISBN 978-1-58983-277-0.
6]John Van Seters, "The life of Moses", ISBN 90-390-0112-X
Well there's yer problemWatching "Killing Jesus"
I have a hard time imagining what sequence of historical misinformation could possibly lead you to this conclusion.the thought hit me Jesus is born and immediately innocent infants and children are killed because of it.
I'm not religious, but fair is fair. The role of religion in wars and violence is often exaggerated and misunderstood. Although some conflicts are stoked by religious views, in most cases it's more that the religion gets co-opted and recruited by states, military forces, and others to justify their violent actions.So that sheds a whole new light on his life and the number of people that have been killed because of him.
Sorry to say that's another mistake. The world has MUCH less violence than at pretty much any time in the past, including pre-historical societies.Watching the show last night proved beyond any question we are even more savage to each other now than we were back then.
Again, I'm not in any way religious. But:is Jesus working, was his life futile and please do not respond with "The good will go to heaven after this life" type responses, we have all heard those before. His word was to love one another, etc. and that is simply not happening is it?
I agree with all of this, and I am impressed that you know the message from Christ was that of rebellion.The message from Christ was single-"rebellion" against the power structure and that is lost in the peace and love stories we have to listen to. "Turn the other cheek" and "love your enemies", how are those messages fairing to date?
Once again you provide a link which fails to support your claims. From the Wiki link
Your apologetic link uses a lot of "probably", "similar to", and "has the same name", along with conflating tales that range over 300+ years. The archaeological work has long shown that Jericho was already a ruin at the supposed time given in the Bible for the attack by Joshua.
Watching "Killing Jesus" last the thought hit me Jesus is born and immediately innocent infants and children are killed because of it. So that sheds a whole new light on his life and the number of people that have been killed because of him. If he was being guided by God why then was he told to resist the laws knowing what was coming? How many people must die? Listen to the song "Blowing In The Wind". I am not religious but I am not an atheists and the reason I have not faith in any God is all are man made. The life and impact of Jesus is horrible to say the least. I can never justify his life as holy nor can I believe in the Christian concept of God not that it is any worse than other religions.
As for the timing of his arrival on earth who can say what would be a better time or worse time? Watching the show last night proved beyond any question we are even more savage to each other now than we were back then. That being said, is Jesus working, was his life futile and please do not respond with "The good will go to heaven after this life" type responses, we have all heard those before. His word was to love one another, etc. and that is simply not happening is it?
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