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Odd. The Best People Told Us This Never Happens

Nobody said it never happens. What people are saying, is that it's not nearly as prevalent as some people make it out to be.
 
LowDown said:
Texas Ballot-Fraud Convictions Outpace Past Five Years Combined

When officials actually want to enforce laws against voter fraud they find that there is no shortage of cases.
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They found 33 cases. In Texas. Do you know how big Texas is? Furthermore, the fraud they are referring to isn't the type of fraud that voter ID would prevent. It's actually the type of fraud that Republicans committed in North Carolina. When Democrats say voter fraud doesn't happen they're talking about individuals showing up to vote and pretending to be someone they're not in order to vote. That's the type of voter fraud that doesn't actually happen, yet Republicans are hellbound and determined to stop because they know the extra ID requirement is most likely to sway young people, poor people, urban people, and elderly people from voting. All demographics that generally vote Democrat.

You will find absolutely no argument from Democrats when it comes to making sure that vote harvesters are in fact delivering the ballots they harvest. I can assure you that Republicans are the ones hiring these harvesters to kill votes from people they don't like far more than Democrats are.
 
sangha said:
Umm, the article describes ballot harvesting, which is electoral fraud - not voter fraud.
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It's described as "voter fraud" in the article.
 
TheGoverness said:
Nobody said it never happens. What people are saying, is that it's not nearly as prevalent as some people make it out to be.
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They also imply that nothing needs to be done about it, which would be convenient for Democrats.
 
LowDown said:
It's described as "voter fraud" in the article.
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So what? Voters didn't commit the fraud. Insiders did by STEALING BALLOTS and marking them and handing them in, unknown to the VOTER who was defrauded.
 
LowDown said:
They also imply that nothing needs to be done about it, which would be convenient for Democrats.
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Did you notice that, of the fraud that does get caught, virtually none of it would be stopped by voter ID laws?
 
LowDown said:
They also imply that nothing needs to be done about it, which would be convenient for Democrats.
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That's BS, a lie. Democrats don't support stealing ballots and other types of INSIDER fraud, or oppose measures that would further punish those acts that have always been illegal. What is alleged in the article defrauds voters.

What Democrats have said, because it's what the data show, is almost all actual "election" fraud involves insiders (like here) and/or involve absentee ballots (like here) and object to voter ID and other measures that don't affect insider fraud or absentee ballots but the nearly non-existent "voter" fraud at the polls.
 
MrWonka said:
They found 33 cases. In Texas. Do you know how big Texas is? Furthermore, the fraud they are referring to isn't the type of fraud that voter ID would prevent. It's actually the type of fraud that Republicans committed in North Carolina. When Democrats say voter fraud doesn't happen they're talking about individuals showing up to vote and pretending to be someone they're not in order to vote. That's the type of voter fraud that doesn't actually happen, yet Republicans are hellbound and determined to stop because they know the extra ID requirement is most likely to sway young people, poor people, urban people, and elderly people from voting. All demographics that generally vote Democrat.
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"Those people are too stupid to produce a picture ID" isn't a very winning argument. When blacks are polled about they think that the idea that they can't get a picture ID is pretty dumb. in the meantime, individuals have also been charged with voter fraud. Most likely it's just the tip of the iceberg.

You will find absolutely no argument from Democrats when it comes to making sure that vote harvesters are in fact delivering the ballots they harvest. I can assure you that Republicans are the ones hiring these harvesters to kill votes from people they don't like far more than Democrats are.
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That was certainly not the case in California, where vote harvesting was increased by Democrats by an order of magnitude. Some if it was probably illegal, but it will never be uncovered.
 
LowDown said:
"Those people are too stupid to produce a picture ID" isn't a very winning argument. When blacks are polled about they think that the idea that they can't get a picture ID is pretty dumb. in the meantime, individuals have also been charged with voter fraud. Most likely it's just the tip of the iceberg.



That was certainly not the case in California, where vote harvesting was increased by Democrats by an order of magnitude. Some if it was probably illegal, but it will never be uncovered.
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Ahh, the race card.

The fact of the matter is black people are less likely to have the required ID. Now, your first thought regarding that is "too stupid." And that's the only explanation you're able to come up with. Why do you suppose that is?
 
LowDown said:
They also imply that nothing needs to be done about it, which would be convenient for Democrats.
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Given that the "cure" for a non-existent problem impacts the Democratics to the tune of thousands of lost votes, of course they would object
 
LowDown said:
"Those people are too stupid to produce a picture ID" isn't a very winning argument.
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Good thing that isn't our argument. The argument is that the process of obtaining a valid ID is incredibly burdensome and convoluted to the point where many people who don't otherwise need one for any other purpose don't bother to get one. Voting is literally the only thing they need it for. The cost associated with obtaining a valid ID in and of itself is financially burdensome than most poll taxes were back in the day, and those were ruled unconstitutional for a reason.

LowDown said:
When blacks are polled about they think that the idea that they can't get a picture ID is pretty dumb.
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Citation needed.

LowDown said:
in the meantime, individuals have also been charged with voter fraud. Most likely it's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Ahh yes, and additional right-wing site. Thank you for admitting that your original link proved nothing. Now let's start with this one. Your right wing heritage foundation had to go all the way back to 2009 just to find more than 1000 cases. Assuming an election every two years that works out to maybe 200 per election across the entire country. That works out to an average of 5 per state per election.

And that's not even factoring in the reality that the types of voter fraud aren't actually the kind that would be prevented by photo ID. Just take a quick look at the state of Ohio. A huge state that is generally a swing state where a little bit of voter fraud might actually matter. If you filter your results looking for impersonation fraud at the poll it returns 0 results over a 10-year span.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?name=&state=OH&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24493

That's right, there isn't one single solitary instance of a person showing up at the poll pretending to be someone their not and trying to vote in the past 10 years in a massive state like Ohio. If you can't find one example of it there, then it's safe to say that it's not actually happening.


LowDown said:
That was certainly not the case in California, where vote harvesting was increased by Democrats by an order of magnitude. Some of it was probably illegal, but it will never be uncovered.
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Umm... In this particular case, the vote Harvesting helped ensure that thousands of Americans who might not have otherwise been able to case a vote were, in fact, able to. That's not voter fraud, that's increasing voter turnout. It's a good thing. You see Democrats actually benefit from increased voter turnout. There's no rational reason to for Democrats to want to stomp out the vote because when more Americans vote Democrats tend to win.
 
What does harvesting of absentee ballots have to do with requiring a picture ID to vote? Sounds to me like two separate issues.
 
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