Ocasio-Cortez will do more damage to Dems than Trump or GOP!

[Acadia]

I believe there is, actually. That's the correct name of the party. Look it up if you want.

I know it's the correct name. It's just not apt any longer.

 

[nota bene]

Yep, doesn't take too long for the system to crush the souls of ideologues in Congress, regardless of lean.

So far I haven't seen her get out of line in a way that's alarming. There was a big story the other day planted by a Republican operative about the sit-in in Pelosi's office. It wasn't much of anything, just people wanting to make a big deal out of very little.

When is a sit-in a small deal when it's somebody else's office?

 

[Acadia]

In the last 10 years or so I have yet to find a Republican who knows anything about economics. Whether communism, capitalism, socialism, whatever. You guys NEVER get it right. You spew nonsense and name call. But you haven't a clue about the true meaning of any economic system.

That's simply not true. To even imply that Reps don't know economics is absurd on its face. As if every Rep Presidency has produce a bad economy.

 

[Acadia]

When is a sit-in a small deal when it's somebody else's office?

It was a protest! Not fake news. AOC had the temerity and disrespect to do that in Pelosi's office. She might as well have taken a dump on her desk.

 

[Bucky]

Your link is about acting AG Whittaker.

Do you have any links to show which Ocasia-Cortez positions you're referring to in context?

https://ocasio2018.com/green-new-deal

The Plan (and the draft legislation) shall, accordingly, ensure that the majority of financing of the Plan shall be accomplished by the federal government, using a combination of the Federal Reserve, a new public bank or system of regional and specialized public banks, public venture funds and such other vehicles or structures that the select committee deems appropriate

The Green New Deal will be the destruction of wealth and prosperity in our country.

 

[Acadia]

https://ocasio2018.com/green-new-deal



The Green New Deal will be the destruction of wealth and prosperity in our country.

A new public bank? Jeez that sounds so very Soviet Union.

 

[nota bene]

It was a protest! Not fake news. AOC had the temerity and disrespect to do that in Pelosi's office. She might as well have taken a dump on her desk.

Well, that's a little too much hyperbole for me.

There were 150 protesters lining the halls, and I'd call this very disruptive. Here is a pic: https://twitter.com/350action/status/1062362125002330113

I am confident that Democrat elders, and I do mean this respectfully, will find "teachable moments" for the noobs.

 

[Nemiroff]

So no links to anything that Ocasio-Cortez actually said which prompted this OP?

I love how requests for actual substance and proof are completely ignored. The M.O. of the modern right.

 

[ecofarm]

It was a protest! Not fake news. AOC had the temerity and disrespect to do that in Pelosi's office. She might as well have taken a dump on her desk.

:lol:

So desperate to demonize.

 

[JasperL]

When is a sit-in a small deal when it's somebody else's office?

She played no role in organizing it. She briefly addressed the group that assembled without input or assistance from her, and she's always supported Pelosi for Speaker.

 

[JasperL]

It was a protest! Not fake news. AOC had the temerity and disrespect to do that in Pelosi's office. She might as well have taken a dump on her desk.

Any evidence AOC organized that protest? I'll answer that for you - NO.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

That's simply not true. To even imply that Reps don't know economics is absurd on its face. As if every Rep Presidency has produce a bad economy.

Actually I was talking about you, and Republicans like you who spew nonsense and name call people you don't agree with. You haven't a clue what a real communist or socialist is. Or what they stand for. For 8 years I heard people like you call Obama a communist. Nothing but ignorance.

 

[JMR]

As far as I'm aware, Ocasio-Cortez has exactly one of 435 votes. I doubt she'll sink the democrats single handed. She will be low woman on the totem poll on a committee, just like all the other new arrivals.

It is pretty amusing how much vitriol from the right she gets.

 

[nota bene]

She played no role in organizing it. She briefly addressed the group that assembled without input or assistance from her, and she's always supported Pelosi for Speaker.

Has someone claimed that she was part of the organizing? All I've read is that she joined the two groups protesting. Why did she join the demonstrators? Does she think Pelosi's office is HER office? And why did she participate in what got a third of the demonstrators arrested? From The Hill: U.S. Capitol Police say 51 of the protestors were arrested around 11:30 a.m. for 'unlawfully demonstrating in the Cannon House Office Building.' All were charged for crowding, obstructing, or incommoding." https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...nancy-pelosis-office-demanding-climate-change

And who cares whether she supports Pelosi? The issue is, at least for me, her rudeness and presumptuousness. But if you'd like to add "poor judgment," that works too.

 

[Amelia]

https://ocasio2018.com/green-new-deal



The Green New Deal will be the destruction of wealth and prosperity in our country.

I feel like I'm on Candid Camera. The OP gives a link to something completely unrelated to the subject. Your link at least has a connection to Ocasio-Cortez, but it still appears to be unconnected to the claims of the OP.

 

[nota bene]

As far as I'm aware, Ocasio-Cortez has exactly one of 435 votes. I doubt she'll sink the democrats single handed. She will be low woman on the totem poll on a committee, just like all the other new arrivals.

It is pretty amusing how much vitriol from the right she gets.

What I'm finding amusing is how fresh off the turnip truck Ocasio-Cortez appears to be. That's not because I'm a conservative; it's because I'm at an age where I find 20-somethings who think they know it all (and have themselves invented the wheel) more than a little tiresome.

 

[independentusa]

Your link is about acting AG Whittaker.

Do you have any links to show which Ocasia-Cortez positions you're referring to in context?

You are right, somehow when I copied it, the link moved. Weird.

 

[JMR]

What I'm finding amusing is how fresh off the turnip truck Ocasio-Cortez appears to be. That's not because I'm a conservative; it's because I'm at an age where I find 20-somethings who think they know it all (and have themselves invented the wheel) more than a little tiresome.

I imagine if she were a republican you would describe her attitude as energetic can-do. I don't get the impression that she thinks she knows it all. If it takes a young freshman Congresswoman to get everyone talking about some of the ideas she shares, more power to her. Her critics are the ones giving her the power.

 

[Perotista]

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/fbi-matthew-whitaker-investigation/14091/
The problem that the GOP is having is limiting itself in who can be part of and take part of the control of its party. The Dems have always seemed to allow greater leeway in who is part of their party. Now a newly elected Dem may end that and do more damage to the Dems than either Trump or the GOP can do. It seems this newly elected Dem, Ocasio-Cortez wants to eliminate all of those in the party that don't agree with the views of her group, the very far left. In essence, she is asking "her" followers to cut out y a large portion of her own party and us independents who make the difference in an election. She is doing exactly what the GOP did when the Tea Party became so strong in the GOP, use that power in the primaries to cut out any that are not true believers. In the end she will do more damage to the Dems in the end than Trump or the GOP. I bet the GOP is cheering her on!!!!

You, my friend, are exactly right. But that is where the two parties are headed today, one to the extreme fringes of the left, the other to the extreme fringes of the right. Take a look at the graph Pew Research provides as to the strength of the Democratic Party over the years or FDR to 2014.

Trends in Party Identification, 1939-2014 | Pew Research Center

I'm old enough to remember the big tent Democratic Party, the one that had its conservative wing, it liberal wing and most folks in the middle. Where the big tent Democratic Party represented the workers, middle America, the people while the GOP was the party that represented business.

Then that big tent party became more ideological, they discarded their conservative wing in favor of a leftist agenda. That spawned the Reagan revolution. There was a reason the Democrats controlled the House for 58 out of 62 years 1933-1994. That included 40 straight years 1955-1994. The party was all encompassing. Then the Democrats began to get rid of their moderates, developed more or a less a litmus test. 2010 marked the year when the Democrats shed most of its moderates. Got rid of the blue dog Democrats, the old yeller dog democrats were long gone.

Today, as of 10 Oct 2018 Gallup puts the two major party strength at 30% Democrat, 28% Republican and 39% independent. That's a far cry from the big tent era of FDR until Reagan of the democrats averaging 45% of the electorate, the 35% from Reagan until Obama and now down to 30%. The GOP for the most part since Eisenhower has been in the 20's, sometimes the high 20's, sometimes the low 20's. Perhaps it is the gap between the two major parties that should catch your eye. From years of a 30 point plus gap for the Democrats, down to two points today or should I say as of 10 Oct 2018.

Party affiliation is dynamic, I assumed that gap has climbed in the Democrats favor as the midterms show. The climb, I think the Democrats can thank Trump for that. One last thing, look at independents, the yellow line. It isn't those who once identified themselves as Democrats switch parties, they became independents. Perhaps like me, looking for party somewhere in the middle of these two ultra fringe major parties we have. Maybe even you although you may not realize it.

 

[nota bene]

She played no role in organizing it. She briefly addressed the group that assembled without input or assistance from her, and she's always supported Pelosi for Speaker.

ABC News says Ocasio-Cortez led the protestors: "Before she’s even taken an oath of office, Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez joined protesters at Nancy Pelosi’s office and led a sit-in to protest climate change." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ale...orientation-leading-protest/story?id=59165661

 

[JasperL]

Has someone claimed that she was part of the organizing? All I've read is that she joined the two groups protesting.

If by "joined" you mean briefly stopped by and addressed the group, expressed support for their goals, sure, she "joined" them. Should she have demanded they leave? Called the cops, had them thrown out of someone else's office?

Why did she join the demonstrators? Does she think Pelosi's office is HER office?

You just showed a picture of the protesters OUTSIDE Pelosi's office? What evidence is there she left the hallway where all those people were lined up?

And why did she participate....

Participate how. What did she DO exactly - and please be specific.

what got a third of the demonstrators arrested? From The Hill: U.S. Capitol Police say 51 of the protestors were arrested around 11:30 a.m. for 'unlawfully demonstrating in the Cannon House Office Building.' All were charged for crowding, obstructing, or incommoding." https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...nancy-pelosis-office-demanding-climate-change

And who cares whether she supports Pelosi? The issue is, at least for me, her rudeness and presumptuousness. But if you'd like to add "poor judgment," that works too.

Other than her addressing the group, you've demonstrated no rudeness or presumptuousness on her part, or that Pelosi even took offense. In public statements Pelosi expressed the opposite, and AOC publicly praised Pelosi. Is that bad? How dare AOC thank Pelosi! That rude bitch!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2fdbf9d4fed_story.html?utm_term=.30db9d41a5f0

 

[Kobie]

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/fbi-matthew-whitaker-investigation/14091/
The problem that the GOP is having is limiting itself in who can be part of and take part of the control of its party. The Dems have always seemed to allow greater leeway in who is part of their party. Now a newly elected Dem may end that and do more damage to the Dems than either Trump or the GOP can do. It seems this newly elected Dem, Ocasio-Cortez wants to eliminate all of those in the party that don't agree with the views of her group, the very far left. In essence, she is asking "her" followers to cut out y a large portion of her own party and us independents who make the difference in an election. She is doing exactly what the GOP did when the Tea Party became so strong in the GOP, use that power in the primaries to cut out any that are not true believers. In the end she will do more damage to the Dems in the end than Trump or the GOP. I bet the GOP is cheering her on!!!!

Ocasio-Cortez is one representative out of 438. She's not in a leadership position; she isn't a committee head. Why are you conviced she can singlehandedly destroy everything? And why are you citing the ****ing Palmer Report, a nutjob site, to make such an idiotic procalmation?

In short, what is the purpose of this thread other than to spread fertilizer?

 

[Kobie]

You, my friend, are exactly right.

No, he's not.

 

[nota bene]

I imagine if she were a republican you would describe her attitude as energetic can-do. I don't get the impression that she thinks she knows it all. If it takes a young freshman Congresswoman to get everyone talking about some of the ideas she shares, more power to her. Her critics are the ones giving her the power.

You'd imagine wrong. I think Ocasio-Cortez is going to learn day by day that she doesn't know it all. But what I have been addressing, apparently not clearly enough, is her jejune presumption. To be clear, this isn't a Republican or Dem thing; it's a manners thing.

 

[Acadia]

:lol:

So desperate to demonize.

Exactly when did the Left decide that humor was a bad thing? Lighten up.