Objectifying women immoral?

[NoC_T]

Is it immoral to objectify women?

Is it immoral to see them mostly for their physical qualities?

Is it immoral to start spurious threads?

 

[joko104]

How is it any different for men?

 

[maquiscat]

Is it immoral to objectify women?

Is it immoral to see them mostly for their physical qualities?

There is a difference between wrong and immoral. As a whole both of these things are wrong, with exception to those who would like to be objectified.

 

[MMC]

There is a distinction between focusing in on someone's looks (sexualizing), and objectifying (dehumanizing) them. The second, I would argue, is immoral no matter whom you do it to.

Heya CPW

.....I think you hit the nail on the head. Both genders will sexualize. Which is often taken as objectifying by some. Although most responding are those that the very first construct within the mind. Is to perceive, visualize whats in from of them.

I would be very interested in personally hearing from one who is blind and cannot see. Wherein the construct of such a persons mind, is not taken as second nature and the perception for anyone is not there.

 

[Tigger]

I'm not sure how to answer this one. Physical appearance is very low on my list of qualities I look for in a woman. However, I do see a specific role for women. When I was single there were many women I totally ignored because their demeanor and dress indicated they would not likely be of an attitude or personality I wanted to deal with.

 

[TheNextEra]

When I was single there were many women I totally ignored because their demeanor and dress indicated they would not likely be of an attitude or personality I wanted to deal with.

You mean they looked like they worked right?

 

[MMC]

You mean they looked like they worked right?

Well, with the whole quote he did say he didn't based such on physical appearance. So myself I don't see how it came up to the way you perceived it.

I'm not sure how to answer this one. Physical appearance is very low on my list of qualities I look for in a woman. However, I do see a specific role for women. When I was single there were many women I totally ignored because their demeanor and dress indicated they would not likely be of an attitude or personality I wanted to deal with.

 

[TheNextEra]

Well, with the whole quote he did say he didn't based such on physical appearance. So myself I don't see how it came up to the way you perceived it.

it was here:

When I was single there were many women I totally ignored because their demeanor and dress indicated they would not likely be of an attitude or personality I wanted to deal with

Tigger has said many many times that he doesn't like women in the workplace. He even said he switched banks because they didn't have a male bankteller for him to go to. THAT'S why I made that comment.

 

[MMC]

it was here:



Tigger has said many many times that he doesn't like women in the workplace. He even said he switched banks because they didn't have a male bankteller for him to go to. THAT'S why I made that comment.

Heya TNA.

"ah".....thanks for the Clarification.

 

[Tigger]

You mean they looked like they worked right?

I mean they looked like they were not homemaker types or working in any of the jobs I believe to be appropriate for women. I probably misread two or three of them over time but not many.

 

[Gipper]

It's not immoral to me - and if it was, it'd be two-fold. Men can't objectify women that don't make themselves into objects.

If you wear a slutty dress, covered in make-up, you have no right to be offended if men start associating you as body parts. It's the same way you don't scold a dog that devours a steak you put in front of him.

 

[MMC]

Does Porn Objectify Women?

 

[MaggieD]

Does Porn Objectify Women?

Yes. Now ask me if there's anything wrong with that.

 

[MMC]

Yes. Now ask me if there's anything wrong with that.

:lol: Okay gorgeous.....is there anything wrong with that? :mrgreen:

So you think Porn Objectifys women? Why?

 

[MaggieD]

:lol: Okay gorgeous.....is there anything wrong with that? :mrgreen:

So you think Porn Objectifys women? Why?

Not a thing wrong with it as long as the women performing/posing are above the age of consent -- and actually knowingly consent. My definition of objectifying approaches this one:

To portray a living being as an object.

In the case of porn, to portray a woman as an object for one's own sexual gratification.

 

[MMC]

Not a thing wrong with it as long as the women performing/posing are above the age of consent -- and actually knowingly consent. My definition of objectifying approaches this one:



In the case of porn, to portray a woman as an object for one's own sexual gratification.

Don't get me wrong I think Both sexes Objectify. But then I think there is more than one way to objectify. Here Check this out Mags. But do you think the apparel industry would be more responsible for such nowadays more so then men and women themselves?

Does Porn Objectify? Experts Disagree.....

So the researchers showed men pictures of women in various states of dress and undress and asked how much “agency” they had, meaning self control and the ability to plan and act. They also asked about their ability to feel fear, desire and pleasure.
The study focused on these two areas because research on the mind shows that that’s how we categorize humans.

Turns out, the more skin women reveal, the less they seem agentic, but the more they are thought to feel.

Men seem to see nude women as a completely different sort of human from themselves. Naked women are “feeling” but not “thinking.” More “animalized” in nature. Interesting that sexualized women have been portrayed as bunnies, pets, cougars and sex kittens.

Yet “objectification” isn’t always understood as “unthinking and unfeeling.” It often means seeing people – usually women — as one-dimensional beings that are ALL about sex. If a man is getting off on a woman’s pain or pleasure, that’s a part of the porn experience. He may be drawn to her pain, and at the same time not care that she wants it to stop. So long as he is aroused, that’s all that matters. Regardless, sex objects exist to serve the desires of others.

The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines objectification as: treating someone as lacking agency, autonomy and self-determination, and as a tool for the objectifier’s purposes; treating a person as something that is owned and whose experiences and feelings needn’t be taken into account.

As Scientific American concludes, “There is, it turns out, more than one kind of ‘objectification.’”.....snip~

Does Porn Objectify? Experts Disagree | BroadBlogs

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Not to me, but I'm a member of the misogynist cult of Black Phillip.

 

[Gipper]

Not a thing wrong with it as long as the women performing/posing are above the age of consent -- and actually knowingly consent. My definition of objectifying approaches this one:



In the case of porn, to portray a woman as an object for one's own sexual gratification.

What's funny is that porn is, probably, the most female-empowering career out there. In porn, women call all the shots - they get paid much better than men, they can choose their own co-stars (for the most part), and they're more listened to by "the powers that be" in porn (whoever they are).

And women trash the profession. Go figure.

 

[MMC]

Not to me, but I'm a member of the misogynist cult of Black Phillip.

Heya Lachean. :2wave: Not to women either.

 

[Hypersonic]

Is it immoral to objectify women?

Is it immoral to see them mostly for their physical qualities?

That is kinda vague because there is pornography and bikini models that have that specific purpose--to get you to see them for their anatomy

 

[rathi]

It's not immoral to me - and if it was, it'd be two-fold. Men can't objectify women that don't make themselves into objects.

This is what we like to call the abuser rationalizing their behavior by blaming the victim.

If you wear a slutty dress, covered in make-up, you have no right to be offended if men start associating you as body parts.

Any pathetic loser who can't comprehend that an individual can be attractive while also being a complete human being is an offense to our species as a whole.

It's the same way you don't scold a dog that devours a steak you put in front of him.

You can actually train dogs not to eat treats even when you balance 5 of them on their noses until commanded. While you may have less self control than a dog, don't smear our entire gender by bringing us down to your level.

 

[MMC]

Looks like marketing and Advertising play on this very well.....IMO, that is. Especially in today's world.

Sexual Objectification, What is it?

The phrase “sexual objectification” has been around since the 1970s, but the phenomenon is more rampant than ever in popular culture–and we now know that it causes real harm.

What exactly is it, though? If objectification is the process of representing or treating a person like an object, then sexual objectification is the process of representing or treating a person like a sex object, one that serves another’s sexual pleasure.

How do we know sexual objectification when we see it? Building on the work of Nussbaum and Langton, I’ve devised the Sex Object Test (SOT) to measure the presence of sexual objectification in images. In it, I propose that sexual objectification is present if the answer to any of the following seven questions is “yes”:

1) Does the image show only part(s) of a sexualized person’s body?

Headless women, for example, make it easy to see them as only a body by erasing the individuality communicated through faces, eyes and eye contact:

We achieve the same effect when showing women from behind, which adds another layer of sexual violability. American Apparel seems to be a culprit in this regard:

This American Apparel ad, with the copy “now open,” sends the message that this woman is open for sex. She presumably can be had by anyone.

Sexual Objectification, What is it? | BroadBlogs

 

[Gipper]

This is what we like to call the abuser rationalizing their behavior by blaming the victim.



Any pathetic loser who can't comprehend that an individual can be attractive while also being a complete human being is an offense to our species as a whole.



You can actually train dogs not to eat treats even when you balance 5 of them on their noses until commanded. While you may have less self control than a dog, don't smear our entire gender by bringing us down to your level.

Such estrogen in this post. Somehow I think that a thread about the beauty of women is lost on you. Maybe you should make a thread about men?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Does Porn Objectify Women?

When the opposite is not asked (whether it objectifies men) then that, to me, delivers the answer of 'no' . . . I fail to see how the female can be objectified and the male cannot . . . or, rather, how (if one considers the female to be objectified) why they think the male cannot.

I prefer the written variety for my erotica needs to which no one asks this question, though. Porn is no different than a movie or a tv show. . . no one asks if acting objectifies women.

And those Fabio margarine spread commercials - no one cares about that, either.

 

[iliveonramen]

So what exactly is objectification outside of the formal definition.

Is commodification of beauty objectification?
Is being physically attracted to a woman objectification or do you have to mentally reduce her to just a sexual tool?

I think objectification may be an overused word that's lost a lot of it's meaning.