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Obamacare: Walgreens Dropping Current Coverage for 160,000 Workers.....

This is going to happen all over the country. Every business that provides insurance for employees is either going to do this or reduce all their employees' hours so they will not qualify for any kind of insurance. This is the biggest boon to business in this country in my lifetime. Most people job shop looking for the bennies, particularly good health coverage. That one is falling by the wayside and profit margins are going up and up and up.

Heya Maenad
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Exactly as AON shows with those Companies that will be going with them. Course that still didn't stop Walgreens and Blue Cross Blue Shield from partnering up, Putting up a site all to back Obamacare. Knowing that it would cut jobs for sure.

The insurance options offered by the private exchange are similar to those in the Affordable Care Act’s public exchanges, though workers will get their subsidies from their companies instead of the government, said Ken Sperling of Aon. While the private effort isn’t directly linked to Obamacare, the debate over the law has spurred a new look at cost-cutting by businesses, municipalities and consumers.

The nation’s largest drugstore chain is partnering with Blue Cross Blue Shield to promote ObamaCare before the new insurance exchanges open on Oct. 1.

Walgreens and the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association (BCBSA) launched a website Wednesday and promised to distribute brochures about ObamaCare at Walgreens stores around the country.....snip~
 
The employers do not want to be the ones who get hit with paying the 40% excise tax would be my guess. They are passing it off to the individuals to deal with. It is the reason that a lot of unions have been fighting to delay that tax for their members. A lot of those great healthcare benefits they have won for their members are now subject to the excise tax under Obamacare, especially public sector unions from what I have read.

WTF does THAT have to do with Obama care? :lol:
 
You are mistaken. Not all doctors take Medicare patients without an additional annual fee tacked on. My elderly parents were told by their docs that in order to remain a patient it will cost them several thousand a year up front. They can't afford that so they are losing their doctors and now have to search for new docs that take Medicare patients, assuming they can even find one.

"Fewer American doctors are treating patients enrolled in the Medicare health program for seniors, reflecting frustration with its payment rates and pushback against mounting rules, according to health experts.


Fewer American doctors are treating patients enrolled in the Medicare health program for seniors, reflecting frustration with its payment rates and pushback against mounting rules, according to health experts. Stefanie Ilgenfritz reports. Photo: Ben Sklar for The Wall Street Journal.
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The number of doctors who opted out of Medicare last year, while a small proportion of the nation's health professionals, nearly tripled from three years earlier, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the government agency that administers the program. Other doctors are limiting the number of Medicare patients they treat even if they don't formally opt out of the system.

Even fewer doctors say they are accepting new Medicaid patients, and the number who don't participate in private insurance contracts, while smaller, is growing—just as millions of Americans are poised to gain access to such coverage under the new health law next year. All told, health experts say the number of doctors going "off-grid" isn't enough to undermine the Affordable Care Act, but they say some Americans may have difficulty finding doctors who will take their new benefits or face long waits for appointments with those who do.

More Doctors Steer Clear of Medicare - WSJ.com

I see. Yes, I am mistaken. I remember that Cancer Centers of America and Mayo Clinic, as just two examples, do not take Medicare; so I'm confident you're correct. While that isn't new, it makes sense that it'll become more prevalent under Obamacare. Thanks for straightening me out.
 
Large companies like IBM and AT&T underwrite all their claims. Translation: They pay all the claims and what they pay to the 'insurance company' is for administration of the program. Large companies like this don't pay 'premiums.' They pay the actual claims. Obama has just given these large companies the biggest step up they have ever had. My late husband worked for the telephone company. I learned about this practice then. Everyplace I have ever worked pays its own claims with the exception of one and that company was too small, so they just gave employees $300/month to buy their own insurance. When I worked for HCA they required you to go to an HCA hospital, their way of mitigating it.

Wasn't Obama care supposed to make health care cost go down instead of up?
 
Heya Maenad
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Exactly as AON shows with those Companies that will be going with them. Course that still didn't stop Walgreens and Blue Cross Blue Shield from partnering up, Putting up a site all to back Obamacare. Knowing that it would cut jobs for sure.

The insurance options offered by the private exchange are similar to those in the Affordable Care Act’s public exchanges, though workers will get their subsidies from their companies instead of the government, said Ken Sperling of Aon. While the private effort isn’t directly linked to Obamacare, the debate over the law has spurred a new look at cost-cutting by businesses, municipalities and consumers.

The nation’s largest drugstore chain is partnering with Blue Cross Blue Shield to promote ObamaCare before the new insurance exchanges open on Oct. 1.

Walgreens and the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association (BCBSA) launched a website Wednesday and promised to distribute brochures about ObamaCare at Walgreens stores around the country.....snip~

Well, I got a letter from my retirement insurance, BCBS, last week. The first sentence was 'We support the Affordable Care Act.' I worked for the federal government when I retired. It makes me nervous. I am not unfamiliar with how this all works. I was an NP in TN when TennCare hit. There were 4 such exchanges. One of them embezzled all the money, didn't pay the claims, and had to be shut down. I expect such fraudulent activity to happen with this. Also, the TennCare exchanges that didn't steal the money paid providers a capitated rate for each patient, a set sum each year intended to cover all the patients' visits, etc. There were providers who took the money and then managed to be 'too busy' to provide the services. Some ended up being prosecuted. But to date NONE of them have disclosed how much money they made under capitation.

But TennCare opened up tremendous opportunities for me as an NP. When I retired I was making 6 figures. That would have never happened before. I expect NPs to find many suitable homes under the ACA.
 
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If by "dumping their current insurance plans," you mean buying a different one, sure. That happens all the time. That's why there's an open enrollment period every single year.

I'm suspecting that some of the "anti Obamacare" people you speak of don't have a particularly good grasp of how the world works.

My parents had their current insurance for 20 years, just a huge coincidence they are losing it as Obama care comes on line I guess.
 
WTF does THAT have to do with Obama care? :lol:

Nothing at all if you have crappy insurance as opposed to a policy that actually covers most things. Apparently a good insurance policy now is considered a "Cadillac" plan and you must be punished for having such insurance :toilet:
 
I see. Yes, I am mistaken. I remember that Cancer Centers of America and Mayo Clinic, as just two examples, do not take Medicare; so I'm confident you're correct. While that isn't new, it makes sense that it'll become more prevalent under Obamacare. Thanks for straightening me out.

"crazy right wingers" predicted this and they also predicted many docs will do the same with Obama care as they do with Medicare, either not take patients or charge an extra fee. We shall see.
 
Is the intended effect of Obamacare, to move people off privately provided insurance an onto govt exchanges? It seems logical that the next step for Walgreens is to simply get rid of subsidizing, and let the govt pay for it. More govt dependance.
 
Wasn't Obama care supposed to make health care cost go down instead of up?

In the long run, some areas may go down. When they start paying capitated rates, and when the number of NPs catch up to it, it will. This is exactly what happened in TN when Medicaid became TennCare. It is not an unfamiliar scenario to me. Many doctors refused to take TennCare. The state legislature passed a law forbidding the state's employee insurance plan from paying any provider who would not take TennCare. I expect such strong arm tactics to ensue with this. But not until after a lot of people get hurt.
 
"crazy right wingers" predicted this and they also predicted many docs will do the same with Obama care as they do with Medicare, either not take patients or charge an extra fee. We shall see.

Eventually the only choice they will have is to take patients with Obamacare funded insurance, or not work. Who knows where this ends up.
 
Nothing at all if you have crappy insurance as opposed to a policy that actually covers most things. Apparently a good insurance policy now is considered a "Cadillac" plan and you must be punished for having such insurance :toilet:

What I see here is socialism on display. It was "unfair" that my parents had such great insurance so now things are evened out by bringing them down with the masses on Medicare.
 
Is the intended effect of Obamacare, to move people off privately provided insurance an onto govt exchanges? It seems logical that the next step for Walgreens is to simply get rid of subsidizing, and let the govt pay for it. More govt dependance.

That is the next step. It will be 'single payer' 5 years from now.
 
"crazy right wingers" predicted this and they also predicted many docs will do the same with Obama care as they do with Medicare, either not take patients or charge an extra fee. We shall see.

This was all played out in Tennessee in the mid 90s.
 
Eventually the only choice they will have is to take patients with Obamacare funded insurance, or not work. Who knows where this ends up.

It will end up with a two tier medical system. Free crappy docs for the masses while the good docs will only take private patients that can afford them.
 
What I see here is socialism on display. It was "unfair" that my parents had such great insurance so now things are evened out by bringing them down with the masses on Medicare.

Winner, winner! Chicken dinner~!
 
It will end up with a two tier medical system. Free crappy docs for the masses while the good docs will only take private patients that can afford them.

No one can afford them but the super wealthy. Sure, you might be able to pay for routine visits and colds, but one surgery can run thousands of dollars just for the doctor.
 
What I see here is socialism on display. It was "unfair" that my parents had such great insurance so now things are evened out by bringing them down with the masses on Medicare.

More or less, but it is increasingly obvious to me that this thing was designed by the behind closed door folks to completely wreck healthcare to force public will toward a single payer system.
 
Well, I got a letter from my retirement insurance, BCBS, last week. The first sentence was 'We support the Affordable Care Act.' I worked for the federal government when I retired. It makes me nervous. I am not unfamiliar with how this all works. I was an NP in TN when TennCare hit. There were 4 such exchanges. One of them embezzled all the money, didn't pay the claims, and had to be shut down. I expect such fraudulent activity to happen with this. Also, the TennCare exchanges that didn't steal the money paid providers a capitated rate for each patient, a set sum each year intended to cover all the patients' visits, etc. There were providers who took the money and then managed to be 'too busy' to provide the services. Some ended up being prosecuted. But to date NONE of them have disclosed how much money they made under capitation.

But TennCare opened up tremendous opportunities for me as an NP. When I retired I was making 6 figures. That would have never happened before. I expect NPs to find many suitable homes under the ACA.

Yep, and that was what the Repubs Weekly Address was about back on Aug 18 of this year......as with Obamacare they want to rely on the Honor system to verify who is eligible for subsidies. Only way to make the Ponzi scheme work.



In this week's address, Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV) urges the President and Senate Democrats to support the bipartisan, House-passed delay of the individual mandate in the president's health care law. You and your family deserve the same relief the President recently gave to big businesses by delaying their employer mandate - it's only fair.....snip~
 
More or less, but it is increasingly obvious to me that this thing was designed by the behind closed door folks to completely wreck healthcare to force public will toward a single payer system.

In light of what Sawyer pointed out, that some doctors are turning away Medicare patients, you may be right that that IS the endgame. That won't be a bad thing, in my opinion. It's high time to let "the people with the gold" start making the rules in the healthcare industry.
 
In light of what Sawyer pointed out, that some doctors are turning away Medicare patients, you may be right that that IS the endgame. That won't be a bad thing, in my opinion. It's high time to let "the people with the gold" start making the rules in the healthcare industry.

in the grand scheme of thing it may not be a bad thing, but there are going to be a lot of seniors not getting treated as doctors refuse them in their fight to keep the lifestyle they have grown accustomed to.
 
Nothing at all if you have crappy insurance as opposed to a policy that actually covers most things. Apparently a good insurance policy now is considered a "Cadillac" plan and you must be punished for having such insurance :toilet:

Yeah.....you 1 percenters, got all the money. Give yaself raises for creating that buisness and turning it into an Empire. Now you guys will have the best care that money can buy.....and all we will be stuck with is Obamacare. This is down Right unfair. Plus it is Buuuuuuuush's fault, I just know he had something to do with it. You didn't build that. We deserve as much as you now dammit. At least pay us 15 dollars an hour.
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We Will Strike, we will sleep out in your parks and camp out on your doorsteps. Were Anonymous!
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No Cadillac Plans for you and your Kind......We will close down General Motors. We will take Cadillac out of the Dictionary. Remove the word from history. You can't have words that only belong to you. That's not Right.
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That is the next step. It will be 'single payer' 5 years from now.

That's what Reid was alluding to as well. Still Obamacare isn't working and wont.

Spending Drives the Debt — CBO projects that government spending will increase as a share of the economy from 20.8 percent today to 26.2 percent by 2038—a nearly 26 percent increase. The aging of the baby-boom generation, rising health-care costs, and Obamacare are “expected to steadily boost the government’s spending.”

Obamacare Won’t Help - The report warns that the President’s health-care law won’t stop the explosion in health-care costs. Mandatory spending on health care will increase by 74 percent from 4.6 percent of GDP today to 8.0 percent of GDP over the next 25 years. Over the next decade, Obamacare will account for over half the growth in government spending on health care.

Higher Taxes Will Cost Jobs — CBO warns that if we raise taxes, as the President and his party’s leaders insist, our economy will hit the brakes. The report says higher tax rates “would discourage people from working and saving, further reducing output and income.” .....snip~

And when you take into account stuff like how deficits might “crowd out” investment in factories and computers and how people might respond to changes in after-tax wages, you find the debt is much, much larger, closer to 200% of GDP.....snip~

CBO Warns: Long-term Debt Threatens to 'Overwhelm' Federal Budget - Guy Benson
 
In light of what Sawyer pointed out, that some doctors are turning away Medicare patients, you may be right that that IS the endgame. That won't be a bad thing, in my opinion. It's high time to let "the people with the gold" start making the rules in the healthcare industry.

I have said from the beginning that a system like Canada has may be better that the system we had but I would have appreciated an honest debate on how it would work and how it would be funded so we could make an honest assessment of the plan and give it a thumbs up or down. What we got instead was this Obama care fiasco which will collapse of its own weight and then an emergency socialized medicine plan will be installed without any input and debate from the citizenry. We will get what the politicians want us to get.
 
No Cadillac Plans for you and your Kind......We will close down General Motors. We will take Cadillac out of the Dictionary. Remove the word from history. You can't have words that only belong to you. That's not Right.
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I am even worse of a sinner--I have a high deductible policy and it is just unamerican that I pay more of my own medical bills than let corporate America getter done for me.
 
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