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Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge

They had no say in passing the law, they had no say in crafting the law. Why should they have all the solutions to a problem they didn't create, craft, or pass?

Because they spent 8 years claiming they were going to repeal it and replace it with something better. They lied, including your hero Trump who promised Universal health care paid for by the government.
 
Because they spent 8 years claiming they were going to repeal it and replace it with something better. They lied, including your hero Trump who promised Universal health care paid for by tne government.

the danger of dealing with a public that has become addicted to a government handout
 
the danger of dealing with a public that has become addicted to a government handout

More of the danger of the GOP being a bunch of lying do nothing frauds who's only interest is passing tax cuts to appease their wealthy donors. That's essentially all the GOP did in their past two years of being in power.
 
More of the danger of the GOP being a bunch of lying do nothing frauds who's only interest is passing tax cuts to appease their wealthy donors. That's essentially all the GOP did in their past two years of being in power.

yeah the parasite class tends to be much bigger these days than those who actually produce wealth
 
yeah the parasite class tends to be much bigger these days than those who actually produce wealth

lol, the core of the Trump/GOP base hardly "produce wealth".
 
Some old white man from Texas isn't going to decide...Just grandstanding non sense
 
yeah the parasite class tends to be much bigger these days than those who actually produce wealth

Nah too many Americans are overweight and lazy...That is why Millions of Undocumented workers get hired...They actually work
 
Democrats broke healthcare when they unanimously passed Obamacare. Dems need to stop demanding Republicans fix their monumental F-up and repair what they broke.

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Obamacare for millions is better than the status quo before it.


I know that because I'm one who benefited from it tremendously, and there are millions like me.


You can just about guarantee a democratic total takover in 2020 if they take it away, millions are tired of not having health care because they can't afford it, or being denied health care because of a preexisting condition. They want to go back to the insanity? Try it, and see how the vote turns out in 2020.
 
Not one republican voted for this mess.... called Obamacare. What a grand legacy for Obama.



There were some 100 amendments to it, many by republicans. The shenanigans on the vote was a political thing, they don't have the spine to give Obama a legacy. See, when Obama's name is in it, the right doesn't want it, even if it will do good, and it does good for many. Definitely NOt a disaster for many. Though some got squeezed, it can be fixed, but repubs don't want Obama to have a legacy. They put partisan politics above the needs of the public. One thing is certain, there is no country with pure free market health care system that provides affordable health care for all of it's citizens.
 
And Trump tweets: "As I predicted all along, Obamacare has been struck down as an UNCONSTITUTIONAL disaster! Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!"


What does he mean by that?

Republicans don't have any ideas for providing "GREAT healthcare" and protecting pre-existing conditions.

They fractured the law by undoing the mandate and now we're going to have chaos, and they have no viable ideas for how to fix it.

Didn't the US Supreme Court already rule that the ACA was constitutional. Now one of trump's butt kissers has decided to give trump a diversion.

As for Mitch and Nancy being expected to get it done - Pelosi is NOT in charge of the House until next year. Mitch and Paul have had 2 years to 'get it done' .

trump - shove your distraction up your orange butt.

This will NOT make the Mueller investigation go away.

Nice try though.
 
There were some 100 amendments to it, many by republicans. The shenanigans on the vote was a political thing, they don't have the spine to give Obama a legacy. See, when Obama's name is in it, the right doesn't want it, even if it will do good, and it does good for many. Definitely NOt a disaster for many. Though some got squeezed, it can be fixed, but repubs don't want Obama to have a legacy. They put partisan politics above the needs of the public. One thing is certain, there is no country with pure free market health care system that provides affordable health care for all of it's citizens.

Yep - it is clearly the far right racist republicans attempt to remove another one of President Obama's ACHIEVEMENTS. If trump just announced that Obamacare was now to be called trumpcare , the republicans would not be doing any of this BS.

This is just a desperate attempt to create a diversion away from the Mueller investigation. There will be MORE indictments and more trumpsters going to jail.

The clock is ticking and I am betting trump will be gone as soon as Putin and Murdoch give the say so.
 
Some old white man from Texas isn't going to decide...Just grandstanding non sense

Totally agree. This is just a pathetic attempt to create a diversion from the Mueller investigation.

And it is laughable for trump to demand Pelosi 'get it done' considering she is NOT in control of the House ....YET. The republicans have had TWO YEARS to 'get it done' and they have done as much as they have with trump's frigging wall; - ABSOLUTELY BUGGER ALL.
 
They had no say in passing the law, they had no say in crafting the law. Why should they have all the solutions to a problem they didn't create, craft, or pass?
Not one republican voted for this mess.... called Obamacare. What a grand legacy for Obama.

If you buy this judge's argument, 224 Republicans in the House and 51 Republicans in the Senate voted for exactly this outcome.

They knowingly and purposefully voted to throw 20+ million people off their insurance, brought back pre-existing conditions, bankrupt Medicare, defund community health centers, de-authorize CHIP and the Indian Health Care Improvement Act, destabilize the health care delivery system, re-open the Medicare Part D donut hole, rescind resources to produce more doctors and other care providers, and a few thousand other awful things. All, apparently, the GOP's intended effect of zeroing out the mandate penalty in their tax law, per this judge.

Sly! And horrifying.

Here is a point that needs to be seriously considered since Congress left the rest of ACA in place meaning it is still LAW to this day, all that is missing is the individual mandate.

Indeed, the essential logical lapse in this sophistic partisan decision.

Democrats broke healthcare when they unanimously passed Obamacare. Dems need to stop demanding Republicans fix their monumental F-up and repair what they broke.

Per the data, health care's never been less broken than it is under the ACA.

 
We can certainly do without the ACA if companies paid a living wage and provided health care to all of their workers, but that's not going to happen. We hear constantly about "creating jobs" from our friends in Washington but many of those "jobs" leave a person at, or below the poverty line, and without adequate insurance.
It is, of course, their fault because they don't have very, very large brains, nor were they born as a "person of wealth".
Corporate America has shifted the responsibility for the welfare of their workers onto the back of the U.S. Govt. Now the Republicans want to wash their hands of these people as well.
It's about time we faced the facts that our system creates winners and losers. So what to do with the losers?
 
And Trump tweets: "As I predicted all along, Obamacare has been struck down as an UNCONSTITUTIONAL disaster! Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!"


What does he mean by that?

Republicans don't have any ideas for providing "GREAT healthcare" and protecting pre-existing conditions.

They fractured the law by undoing the mandate and now we're going to have chaos, and they have no viable ideas for how to fix it.

How about Democrats helping them come up with an idea that will be acceptable to Republicans? The best Democrats could do is come up with a plan where costs soared, leaving middle class Americans screwed, and is unconstitutional.
 
I LIKE TO TALK IN ALL CAPS!!!

He's such a ****ing imbecile and so are his fanboys that swing form his nutsack.

Extremely hilarious how you guys say Trump does unconstitutional stuff and cheer the courts on for ruling that and yet here you think unconstitutional is OK. Which way is it?
 
Talk to Trump. He's the one telling McConnell and Pelosi to come up with a solution for what he and McConnell sabotaged.

Sabotaged? It's either unconstitutional or it isn't. Funny how you guys declare that Trump does unconstitutional stuff and cheer the courts for ruling that and yet now, all of a sudden, you say unconstitutional is sabotage. Which way is it?
 
Whatever.

The tax aspect is gone because Trump and the GOP killed it, without regard for how much harm they were doing. And now, in response to the harm Trump and the GOP did, Trump is telling Congress to come up with a way to fix what he broke.

And they have no viable ideas for how to fix it.


Trump wanted the "win" of ending Obamacare. But he doesn't want the consequences of ending Obamacare. So he's telling Congress to do what you think Congress shouldn't be doing.

Obamacare was broke from day one.
 
And Trump tweets: "As I predicted all along, Obamacare has been struck down as an UNCONSTITUTIONAL disaster! Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. Mitch and Nancy, get it done!"


What does he mean by that?

Republicans don't have any ideas for providing "GREAT healthcare" and protecting pre-existing conditions.

They fractured the law by undoing the mandate and now we're going to have chaos, and they have no viable ideas for how to fix it.

His promise of providing healthcare is exactly the problem with the GOP. Anything they pass to replace it will also be unconstitutional because we never gave the govt the power to spend on healthcare. We don need to fix it. We need to stay out of peoples healthcare.
 
Democrats broke healthcare when they unanimously passed Obamacare. Dems need to stop demanding Republicans fix their monumental F-up and repair what they broke.

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Now we should do what we should have done in the first place - find a bipartisan plan.
 
Yeah, it was a bad law, done in a bad manner. And Obama and Democrats payed dearly for it.

But it WAS the law. And a lot of people came to depend on it. And Trump and the GOP broke it. And now Trump does not want to pay the consequences for killing the mandate, so he's ordering Congress to come up with basically another Obamacare.

It was an unconstitutional law. The left have to make up their minds on this subject. Do we allow things to be unconstitutional or not?
 
Because the SCOTUS ruled Obamacare legal because it was consider a tax because the Individual Mandate now that is gone judge O'Connor thinks the law is unconstitutional.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/8/17441512/obamacare-lawsuit-texas-trump

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This was Robert's grand design in the first place and why he decided the way he did. His crystal ball told him we would get to this point. He actually had a whole lot of foresight that neither side understood at the time.
 
"Good, now that we have that squared away, let's get onto gutting medicare and social security in the lame duck!"

-Mitch McConnell- 12-14-18
 
It wasn't a small part of it.

For insurance companies to be able to afford the requirements placed upon them by the ACA, people need to be buying insurance all along, or they need to pay the penalty for not buying insurance all along but being allowed to jump into relatively inexpensive coverage months after they get an expensive diagnosis.

That's only an argument for eliminating guaranteed issue and community rating if the mandate goes (i.e., bringing back pre-existing conditions). It's not an argument for striking down the entire Affordable Care Act, which is substantially larger than those particular reforms, and substantially larger than insurance market reform in general.

The ACA revamped the entire philosophy of the Medicaid program, turning it into the program most people probably thought it already was. That doesn't have anything to do with the individual mandate.

It's been driving redesign of care delivery in this country to make our delivery system more efficient, patient-centered, and high quality. Hundreds of health care systems around the country treating millions of patients now rely on business models that rely on keeping patients healthy and targeting care to them more effectively. That doesn't have anything to do with the individual mandate.

It makes huge investments in the nation's public health infrastructure, everything from the clinics in our schools to the management of chronic diseases in our communities. That doesn't have anything to do with the individual mandate.

It made huge investments in building up our health care work force, paying to educate, train, and retain thousands of new providers--doctors, dentists, pediatricians, community health workers, mid-level practitioners, you name it--and building new community health centers. That doesn't have anything to do with the individual mandate.

It eased the FDA pathway for new biosimilars to get them to market faster, created PCORI to build and disseminate the evidence underpinning treatment decisions, it launched a concerted effort to improve patient safety in the nation's hospitals, which has been a serious cause for concern for decades. None of that has anything to do with the individual mandate.

All of that, and a thousand other things improving our health care system but not logically or economically connected to the individual mandate, would be gone if this bizarre and foolish ruling stood. It won't, but let's not pretend there's some argument that most of the ACA has anything to do with the individual mandate or can't stand in its absence. Even the idiots in the Trump administration were only arguing that pre-existing condition protections need to get thrown out if the individual mandate falls. Not the thousand other reforms in the ACA.
 
It only took 8 years to rule this illegal piece of crap unconstitutional. As good as it is to see this thing being ruled illegal by a federal judge, I'm not going to jump up and down and celebrate in the streets that it's finally going to die on the spot because of 1 ruling. Open enrollment starts today and it's still going give coverage for another year, and if it is going to be struck dead, I want some assurance that it will. The only thing I disagree with Trump on is working on something else that's similar to Obamacare. Just let it go and focus on the REAL problems: the health insurance companies and Medicare/Medicaid, on coverage, premiums, and payment to the doctors and their health practices. Working in the health field myself, working in small business, I can tell you those are the top problems with the financial part of the health care system (and as a whole). Big pharma's costs on their medications is also a big problem, even though much of it can be resolved by dealing with the insurance companies, but the other part of it is them. In any case, at least Obamacare has been ruled illegal so it's a step in the right direction.
 
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