Obamacare Mandate Postponed[W:42]

[CanadaJohn]

People can't even name more than 3 players on the hawks.

People also can't name 3 intelligent liberals from Chicago - what's your point?

 

[Threegoofs]

I'm so confused... You guys are taking opposite sides of the argument, so someone has to be right.

But you're both Sox fans, and they are always wrong.

What a dilemma. The Sox Fan Conundrum.

 

[99percenter]

People also can't name 3 intelligent liberals from Chicago - what's your point?

Chicago liberals are more conservative than you and less corrupt than the mayor of toronto. I believe canadian conservatives are to the left of the gays for obama party with their support of socialized medicine.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Chicago liberals are more conservative than you and less corrupt than the mayor of toronto. I believe canadian conservatives are to the left of the gays for obama party with their support of socialized medicine.

I'll be sure to pass on your libelous statement to the Office of the Mayor.

As to the rest of your statement, I referred to the intelligence of Chicago liberals, not their ideology or corruption. Your response proves positively that my original comment was bang on.

 

[99percenter]

I'll be sure to pass on your libelous statement to the Office of the Mayor.

As to the rest of your statement, I referred to the intelligence of Chicago liberals, not their ideology or corruption. Your response proves positively that my original comment was bang on.

Your post proves that Canadian conservatives can't fight so they change the subject. You brought up Chicago liberals because you knew you were wrong about about hockey and refuse to accept that you are a socialist because you support socialized medicine. If you were a true conservative you would denounce your single payer plan and embrace Romney/ Gop national healthcare plan.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Your post proves that Canadian conservatives can't fight so they change the subject. You brought up Chicago liberals because you knew you were wrong about about hockey and refuse to accept that you are a socialist because you support socialized medicine. If you were a true conservative you would denounce your single payer plan and embrace Romney/ Gop national healthcare plan.

Buh bye - try to find someone else to feed your need for attention.

 

[99percenter]

Buh bye - try to find someone else to feed your need for attention.

How canadian of you to simply roll over and accept defeat? I accept your surrender.

 

[poweRob]

if they were actually listening to their constituents, they would have never passed this POS in the first place. And now, to reduce the political ****storm bound to hit liberal candidates for (re)election, Barry has postponed this corporate portion of it's implementation. This is by far the worst legislation in the history of this nation. Sickening.

Hyperbole drowning in crocodile tears. You didn't get your way politically so it's not just something to disagree with... it has to be "by far the worst legislation in the history of this nation."

Glad to know that you think getting people health coverage is worse than the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, the Volstead Act, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, the Alien and Sedition Act or how about the wonderful Patrtiot Act? The list can go on and on and on but of course it's just a matter of opinion I suppose.

To each their own I guess.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Hyperbole drowning in crocodile tears. You didn't get your way politically so it's not just something to disagree with... it has to be "by far the worst legislation in the history of this nation."

Glad to know that you think getting people health coverage is worse than the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, the Volstead Act, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, the Alien and Sedition Act or how about the wonderful Patrtiot Act? The list can go on and on and on but of course it's just a matter of opinion I suppose.

To each their own I guess.

Whomever it was that really made a rather famous remark which is often incorrectly attributed to P.T. Barnum, was making a rather serious understatement; as proven by the legions of those who continue to foolishly believe that the ObamaCare scam will have any positive effect toward “getting people health coverage”; in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is having and can only continue to have very much the opposite effect.

 

[poweRob]

Whomever it was that really made a rather famous remark which is often incorrectly attributed to P.T. Barnum, was making a rather serious understatement; as proven by the legions of those who continue to foolishly believe that the ObamaCare scam will have any positive effect toward “getting people health coverage”; in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is having and can only continue to have very much the opposite effect.

You're right about the "overwhelming evidence" if it's coming from the right-wing echo-chamber. The rest of the fact-based world living with proof will believe this:

Study: ObamaCare rule covering 930K young adults

Obamacare extends health benefits to 30 million

Sorry if it comes off a bit snarky. Tends to happen when people imply an ad hominem I suppose.

 

[Jack Hays]

You're right about the "overwhelming evidence" if it's coming from the right-wing echo-chamber. The rest of the fact-based world living with proof will believe this:

Study: ObamaCare rule covering 930K young adults

Obamacare extends health benefits to 30 million

Sorry if it comes off a bit snarky. Tends to happen when people imply an ad hominem I suppose.

"I just tell ya, I just see a huge train wreck coming down." --Senator Max Baucus, discussing Obamacare
I was not aware of the prominence of Senator Baucus in the right wing echo chamber.:mrgreen:

 

[poweRob]

"I just tell ya, I just see a huge train wreck coming down." --Senator Max Baucus, discussing Obamacare
I was not aware of the prominence of Senator Baucus in the right wing echo chamber.:mrgreen:

And a politician's random ramblings posted with no context is evidence as compared to my links? If you say so.

 

[nota bene]

I think reading a bill should be required before voting on it. I'm still not over that idiotic Pelosi remark.

 

[Jack Hays]

And a politician's random ramblings posted with no context is evidence as compared to my links? If you say so.

I'm just pointing out that the right wing echo chamber is not the only source of doubts. Beyond that, Senator Baucus's prominence in the effort to pass Obamacare gives his remarks more weight than random ramblings.

 

[windowdressing]

It always amazes me how President Obama has utter contempt for the laws of the land, even ones he supports, and he seems to get away with it. It's hard to critize Egypt's democraticly elected government for making up laws as they go when President Obama seems prone to do the same.

I know why so many cons in the U.S. hate this guy, but I don't quite understand a foreigner's hate as well ... but you're entitled ... but since you're not from here, delays like this happen all the time. For example, the Sup. Ct. ordered the EPA in 2007 to regulate carbon emissions and Bush delayed it by not opening an e-mail from the agency. Obama, to my chagrin, has delayed carbon regulation as well, but I don't recall cons getting their panties in a bunch over it ... we all know what this is about, don't we (and it's getting old)? ...

 

[windowdressing]

"I just tell ya, I just see a huge train wreck coming down." --Senator Max Baucus, discussing Obamacare
I was not aware of the prominence of Senator Baucus in the right wing echo chamber.:mrgreen:

Baucus? Please, not Baucus ...

 

[poweRob]

I'm just pointing out that the right wing echo chamber is not the only source of doubts. Beyond that, Senator Baucus's prominence in the effort to pass Obamacare gives his remarks more weight than random ramblings.

Still no context eh?

Here... let me do your homework for you again:

Baucus, the chairman of the chamber's powerful Finance Committee and a key architect of the healthcare reform law, said he fears people do not understand how the law will work.

"I just see a huge train wreck coming down," he told Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius at a Wednesday hearing. "You and I have discussed this many times, and I don't see any results yet."

Baucus pressed Sebelius for details about how the Health Department will explain the law and raise awareness of its provisions, which are supposed to take effect in just a matter of months.

"I'm very concerned that not enough is being done so far — very concerned," Baucus said.

link...​

See that? See how when you add context you actually find out the meaning of what he was saying? See how he said the "trainwreck" is the "fear(s) people do not understand how the law will work" while you were taking him out of context to try and fabricate another meaning where he was saying that the Obamacare legislation itself would be the trainwreck? Do you now see that isn't what he was saying?

 

[Jack Hays]

Still no context eh?

Here... let me do your homework for you again:

Baucus, the chairman of the chamber's powerful Finance Committee and a key architect of the healthcare reform law, said he fears people do not understand how the law will work.

"I just see a huge train wreck coming down," he told Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius at a Wednesday hearing. "You and I have discussed this many times, and I don't see any results yet."

Baucus pressed Sebelius for details about how the Health Department will explain the law and raise awareness of its provisions, which are supposed to take effect in just a matter of months.

"I'm very concerned that not enough is being done so far — very concerned," Baucus said.

link...​

See that? See how when you add context you actually find out the meaning of what he was saying? See how he said the "trainwreck" is the "fear(s) people do not understand how the law will work" while you were taking him out of context to try and fabricate another meaning where he was saying that the Obamacare legislation itself would be the trainwreck? Do you now see that isn't what he was saying?

Once again, you dodge and duck away from the point. In this discussion I take no position on the merits of Obamacare. I merely point out the error of your claim that all doubts about Obamacare come from the right wing echo chamber. I was quite well aware of the context of the Senator's remark. For purposes of this exchange, it's irrelevant.:mrgreen:

 

[windowdressing]

Whomever it was that really made a rather famous remark which is often incorrectly attributed to P.T. Barnum, was making a rather serious understatement; as proven by the legions of those who continue to foolishly believe that the ObamaCare scam will have any positive effect toward “getting people health coverage”; in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is having and can only continue to have very much the opposite effect.

if you don't mind, some of us will wait until it is fully implemented ... we'll see, but think how much better it could be if the Republicans had helped rather than trying from the beginning to sabotage it ... and please stop making these wild claims about "overwhelming" evidence ... and it's not a scam, it was a law passed by Congress ... and in case you weren't paying attention, Obama won in 2008 and 2012 and all cons can do is wish the worst for the country because the hate the big-eared guy ... still, you may get your wish ...

 

[windowdressing]

Once again, you dodge and duck away from the point. In this discussion I take no position on the merits of Obamacare. I merely point out the error of your claim that all doubts about Obamacare come from the right wing echo chamber. I was quite well aware of the context of the Senator's remark. For purposes of this exchange, it's irrelevant.:mrgreen:

you're right that doubts or concerns about, opposition to, ACA comes from all quarters (although the greatest from the Obama haters) ... but the nature of the opposition differs by group, no? For example, I wanted a single payer system ... others are opposed to anything he wants ... as I've said before, if Obama was opposed to abortion under any and all circumstances, cons would make abortion a sacrament ...

 

[poweRob]

Once again, you dodge and duck away from the point. In this discussion I take no position on the merits of Obamacare. I merely point out the error of your claim that all doubts about Obamacare come from the right wing echo chamber. I was quite well aware of the context of the Senator's remark. For purposes of this exchange, it's irrelevant.:mrgreen:

Context is irrelevant? If you say so. I'm absolutely positive that you believe that.

 

[Jack Hays]

you're right that doubts or concerns about, opposition to, ACA comes from all quarters (although the greatest from the Obama haters) ... but the nature of the opposition differs by group, no? For example, I wanted a single payer system ... others are opposed to anything he wants ... as I've said before, if Obama was opposed to abortion under any and all circumstances, cons would make abortion a sacrament ...

I agree that people oppose Obamacare for different reasons. I disagree that some oppose it only because BHO wants it.

 

[Jack Hays]

Context is irrelevant? If you say so. I'm absolutely positive that you believe that.

And you continue to duck and dodge. Context is often important, sometimes critical. This is not one of those times. You were wrong. Admit it. You'll feel better.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

if you don't mind, some of us will wait until it is fully implemented ... we'll see, but think how much better it could be if the Republicans had helped rather than trying from the beginning to sabotage it ... and please stop making these wild claims about "overwhelming" evidence ... and it's not a scam, it was a law passed by Congress ... and in case you weren't paying attention, Obama won in 2008 and 2012 and all cons can do is wish the worst for the country because the hate the big-eared guy ... still, you may get your wish ...

That's nothing more than an obvious variant on the “if you disagree with Obama's policies, it must be because you're a racist and you hate him because he's black” argument; mingled in with the standard far wrong principle that values “doing something” about a problem, even if it involves making the problem worse.

Of course those of us on the right opposed this plan. We on the right don't think it counts to “do something” unless what you propose to do has a plausible likelihood of solving, or at least mitigating the problem that is being addressed. If all you have to offer is something that will make it worse, then it is better to do nothing than to “do something”.

You on the wrong put forth a “solution” that could only make the problem worse, so those of us on the right certainly had to oppose it.

 

[poweRob]

And you continue to duck and dodge. Context is often important, sometimes critical. This is not one of those times. You were wrong. Admit it. You'll feel better.

Me putting the context in changed the whole quote. You said it was critical of Obamacare therefore a Dem and not a right-wing echo-chamber source. I provide the context you ignored and the meaning was nothing of the sort. And you say I'm dodging?

These kinds of humiliating embarrassments will continue to dog you as long as you continue to believe that context doesn't matter. Meh... it's good entertainment for the rest of us though.