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Obamacare Mandate Postponed[W:42]

trfjr said:
I honestly don't think Obama can do that. I don't think the executive branch has the legal power to delay the implementation of a law passed by congress the bill has a specific date of implementation Jan 1, 2014
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He does it on a regular basis - immigration laws, DOMA, Don't Ask, Don't Tell, etc. He absolutely can do it provided a compliant public and congress allow him to get away with it.
 
trfjr said:
I honestly don't think Obama can do that. I don't think the executive branch has the legal power to delay the implementation of a law passed by congress the bill has a specific date of implementation Jan 1, 2014
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Sure he can, and Congress would have to impeach him to make him comply if he didn't.
 
White House Delays Key Element of Health Care Law.....

Well well well.....lookie here. Obama is pushing back his own Obamacare. Just for Businesses.....not the individual. Obama says there were quirks and glitches etc etc. He didn't mention it was a scam from the beginning.

President Barack Obama's health care law, hailed as his most significant legislative achievement, seems to be losing much of its sweep.

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On Tuesday, the administration unexpectedly announced a one-year delay, until after the 2014 elections, in a central requirement of the law that medium and large companies provide coverage for their workers or face fines.

Separately, opposition in the states from Republican governors and legislators has steadily undermined a Medicaid expansion that had been expected to provide coverage to some 15 million low-income people.

Tuesday's move — which caught administration allies and adversaries by surprise — sacrificed timely implementation of Obama's signature legislation but might help Democrats politically by blunting an election-year line of attack Republicans were planning to use. The employer requirements are among the most complex parts of the health care law, designed to expand coverage for uninsured Americans.

"We have heard concerns about the complexity of the requirements and the need for more time to implement them effectively," Treasury Assistant Secretary Mark Mazur said in a blog post. "We have listened to your feedback and we are taking action.".....snip~

White House delays key element of health care law - Yahoo! Finance
 
American said:
Sure he can, and Congress would have to impeach him to make him comply if he didn't.
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The only way I can come up with for the legality is if he orders HHS to issue waivers to every business.
 
Samhain said:
The only way I can come up with for the legality is if he orders HHS to issue waivers to every business.
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This is one of the worst laws to ever be passed, no one likes this POS, but no one will step up to repeal it. Even Obama has to see that now, but it fills a feel good objective in his pursuit of social justice. That this law and its implementation will never work, and healthcare costs will skyrocket passed where they were is inconsequential. He doesn't care.
 
Samhain said:
The only way I can come up with for the legality is if he orders HHS to issue waivers to every business.
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In keeping with the IRS precedent, Obama will likely order waivers for democrat owned businesses only.
 
Re: White House Delays Key Element of Health Care Law.....

America, in general, needs to 'push back' against this monstrosity.

Even the low info voters will see through the lies over time.
 
Re: White House Delays Key Element of Health Care Law.....

WCH said:
America, in general, needs to 'push back' against this monstrosity.

Even the low info voters will see through the lies over time.
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Heya WCH :2wave: .....yeah I would agree with you 100%. All 30 Republicans states should have told Obama and the Democrats. We aren't taking part. Deal with that!

Anyhow.....I didn't see that Samhain had thrown this up yesterday.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/165310-obamacare-mandate-postponed.html

We need a mod to move and merge this with his thread.
 
CanadaJohn said:
At least my government doesn't force me to go out shopping for a product I don't want and penalizes me if I don't. At least my government has a plan that is based on people's income, not on the financial needs of big pharma and those who make money off the suffering of the ill and diseased. At least my government listened to what the people wanted and came to a country-wide consensus when we moved 60 years ago to government funding of basic health care needs.

It's not perfect, it's cracking at the edges, and as our society ages it's more and more expensive, but it's what the citizens of this country want. Put you keep on supporting your little prince, if that keeps you happy.
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I agree. I want you socialist plan not our Romney/heritage foundation GOPcare.
 
American said:
Sure he can, and Congress would have to impeach him to make him comply if he didn't.
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no congress or anyone else could sue and the court could force him to comply

I feel that is exactly what needs to be done. they forced it down our throats we should force back down theirs make the democrats own the train wreck that it is
 
trfjr said:
no congress or anyone else could sue and the court could force him to comply

I feel that is exactly what needs to be done. they forced it down our throats we should force back down theirs make the democrats own the train wreck that it is
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What would be the point of forcing him to comply? He's already instructed the AG to ignore laws they have no desire to enforce? The fact is, he's violated his oath throughout his reign as "The Most Exalted Prince of Kenya". We are stuck with him, and the increasing progressive population that put him there.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Threads merged and moved to Health Care
 
Samhain said:
The only way I can come up with for the legality is if he orders HHS to issue waivers to every business.
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Speaking of HHS ... ya know how the lovely Kathleen Sibelius set up her own exchanges in the States that said uh-uh to creating their own?
Well, as it happens, the law says only State created exchanges are eligible for tax credits.
Problem?
Nah ... Sibelius had the IRS issue a "regulation" that said her HHS exchanges are eligible too.
Law? We don't need no stinking law.
Is this a special Country or what?
 
Re: White House Delays Key Element of Health Care Law.....

Put off the mandate permanently and replace it with medicare for all.
 
99percenter said:
I agree. I want you socialist plan not our Romney/heritage foundation GOPcare.
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Keep calling it a "socialist plan", which it's not, and you'll never have one like it. Refer to it as what it is - a publically based, tax funded, insurance plan to cover the basic health care needs of society - and you might have a shot.

But are you prepared to give up other tax funded benefits you receive in order to gain such a plan? You'd have to have the basic federal tax level reduced to around $11,000, like ours and give up a lot of other tax benefits/holidays you enjoy. Never heard of a payroll tax holiday here. Never heard of an outrageous over 2 full years of unemployment insurance, etc. etc.

You'd have to forget about mortgage interest tax deductions - never had, nor never wanted here. You'd have to be prepared to have the government decide what medical services/tests it provides for and when you will have access to them. You'd have to have medical professionals prepared to accept the reimbursements for services that the government mandates and negotiates with them. You'd still have to purchase your own private health insurance to cover things like dental care, eye examines, drugs, etc. etc.

When I see a majority of Americans ready to pay through taxation for these things and not expect only the rich to fund it, then I'll believe you really want such a plan.
 
bubbabgone said:
Speaking of HHS ... ya know how the lovely Kathleen Sibelius set up her own exchanges in the States that said uh-uh to creating their own?
Well, as it happens, the law says only State created exchanges are eligible for tax credits.
Problem?
Nah ... Sibelius had the IRS issue a "regulation" that said her HHS exchanges are eligible too.
Law? We don't need no stinking law.
Is this a special Country or what?
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Heya Bubba :2wave: .....but wasn't Obama trying to tell all that he wanted things to be fair? That he felt everybody's pain. That he was looking out for the middle class? What happened to all that good stuff?

Yet here he is telling all he will hold off his mandate. For Businesses only. Not the Poor or middle class Citizen. See those glitches, quirks, and foul-ups aren't meant to make all pay for the scam. Also so that the Democrats wont have to try and explain all the problems with it for the 2014 Election. Which they know will sink their asses and then they will lose that Senate. Making Obama even more obsolete and isolated.
 
trfjr said:
no congress or anyone else could sue and the court could force him to comply

I feel that is exactly what needs to be done. they forced it down our throats we should force back down theirs make the democrats own the train wreck that it is
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I don't know if they could sue, because the law is a tax, and therefore without implementation is causes no harm. Congress could impeach because he fails to perform his duty as executive, but postponing it is not the same is saying he won't execute it.
 
American said:
I don't know if they could sue, because the law is a tax, and therefore without implementation is causes no harm. Congress could impeach because he fails to perform his duty as executive, but postponing it is not the same is saying he won't execute it.
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when in the law it states a date to be implemented which there is and you ignore that date then you are in violation of that law
 
trfjr said:
when in the law it states a date to be implemented which there is and you ignore that date then you are in violation of that law
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I think the only way the administration could make it legal is by issuing an exception to all businesses that have 50 or more employees.
 
tererun said:
You can call it racist if you like, but it is the best term for his serving the rich white power structure I can find.
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The entire point of the term “uncle Tom”, in the context in which you used it, and anywhere else that it has ever used, is to suggest that there is a way that black people ought to behave, that is different than the way that white people ought to behave, and that it is a bad thing for blacks to engage in behavior that constitutes “acting white”. Not only is idea this racist to its very core, but it is also highly destructive to the culture that embraces it.
 
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