• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

From here:

Obama said the proposal would be fully paid for. In an earlier briefing for reporters, administration officials said Obama would pay for the program by asking lawmakers to close tax breaks for oil and gas companies and multinational corporations.

Obama is pretty much a moron if he thinks that will do anything other than increase costs on the people he claims to care about. Who do you think is going to pay for those tax breaks closing? Shell or BP? or middle class working people who buy gasoline?
 
I thought he hadn't spent much of the stimulus yet? Is it all gone? Why can't the $50 billion come from there?

he's saving it for his re election effort

I note our local tv stations have been running AFSCME adds that are nothing more than Dems Good GOP Bad bull poop/ Our tax dollars went to that scummy group to pay for their propaganda
 
What's this? Give us your money or we'll kill you?

How America has changed!
Show me where I said that.....you can't....
There is backlash any time the powerful live too well at the expense of everyone else. I have said this many times, and so far NONE of you ubercons have responded to it. Economically speaking, it is better to have 1000 millionaires instead of 1 billionaire.
Whats the matter, nobody wants to argue that point?
Go ahead, destroy the middle class. The poor are used to being poor, so they don't notice much change. But the middle class will rise up and replace the political parties who fail to represent ALL of their constituents....just as soon as they get their heads out of the sand. AND, one more time, I am not poor. The wife and I are wealthy, and pay a lot of taxes. Not obscenely wealthy, just $125K annual retirement income, and $700K in property assets. More than the wife and I need. And we never had to cheat, lie, steal, misrepresent, etc. to get there.
 
Obama is pretty much a moron if he thinks that will do anything other than increase costs on the people he claims to care about. Who do you think is going to pay for those tax breaks closing? Shell or BP? or middle class working people who buy gasoline?
I thought conservatives were against subsidies? Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.
 
I thought conservatives were against subsidies? Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.

actually I am more against tax policies that make american businesses less competitive

gas prices are artificially high in many countries due to large amounts of taxes
 
actually I am more against tax policies that make american businesses less competitive

gas prices are artificially high in many countries due to large amounts of taxes
I wonder if the revenue collected has been diverted? It wouldn't be the first time a tax was collected for one purpose and used for another...
 
I wonder if the revenue collected has been diverted? It wouldn't be the first time a tax was collected for one purpose and used for another...

start with social security for your answer
 
actually I am more against tax policies that make american businesses less competitive

gas prices are artificially high in many countries due to large amounts of taxes

The Japanese must be miracle fairy workers who magically assembled quite the export machine in the face of even greater tax policies :razz:
 
The Japanese must be miracle fairy workers who magically assembled quite the export machine in the face of even greater tax policies :razz:

I guess you never learned that the main purpose of Japanese government is to support and nurture their businesses. How many plaintiff's lawyers are there per capita in Japan? But your silly retort is not relevant to my post
 
I guess you never learned that the main purpose of Japanese government is to support and nurture their businesses. How many plaintiff's lawyers are there per capita in Japan? But your silly retort is not relevant to my post

So hold up here a second, Japan is not an example of laissez faire capitalism? :D
 
So hold up here a second, Japan is not an example of laissez faire capitalism? :D

why are you trying to derail this thread? I am against tax policies in the USA that makes AMERICAN companies less competitive. I also oppose Obama's patently idiotic ploy to buy votes by demonizing American Corporations when in reality his schemes will be passed on in costs to american consumers
 
why are you trying to derail this thread? I am against tax policies in the USA that makes AMERICAN companies less competitive. I also oppose Obama's patently idiotic ploy to buy votes by demonizing American Corporations when in reality his schemes will be passed on in costs to american consumers

Just looking for a little consistency. Sheesh.
 
start with social security for your answer
that was what I was referring to, was I too subtle?
The wife and I both started drawing at 62, hoping to get as much of it as we can before the benefits drop, or dry up.
YOU are well employed and still paying in, right? If so, thanks for your contribution....:2razz:
 
but this isn't a waste, creating jobs isn't wasteful. Not to mention to make improvements to public property. I see nothing wrong with it.

I don't know, at best this might create a few temporary jobs, but that needs to stop being Obama's answer, band aid job creation isn't the answer, we need long term certainty in what is a very volatile market. People are unsure what the cost of doing business is going to be, will the Bush tax cuts expire, how much is this new health care bill going to cost business's. When business faces such uncertainty going forward, they are going to be cautious about expansion. Not to mention that these trickle down bureaucratic plans just don't work, as evident by the 'stimulus' bill.
 
Just looking for a little consistency. Sheesh.

how about some consistent libertarian views from someone who claims to be a libertarian:mrgreen::lamo
 
that was what I was referring to, was I too subtle?
The wife and I both started drawing at 62, hoping to get as much of it as we can before the benefits drop, or dry up.
YOU are well employed and still paying in, right? If so, thanks for your contribution....:2razz:

you are welcome but I long ago realized that SS is a fraud from which I would get no benefits.

People should be able to opt out of it and sadly the Lapdog USSC in the era of FDR didn't strike this clearly unconstitutional scheme down.

I have friends who prosecute white collar criminals and this is a fraudulent Ponzi scheme as clear as they come.
 
I'm disappointed with the low quality of posts in this thread. This is an important subject, and merits more than "those Democrats are skanks. I'm votin' for Sarah Palin!"

America is heading into a depression which will be complicated by environmental tragedies. A major stimulus is needed NOT to help the economy grow (which it will never do, and shouldn't be allowed to do), but TO KEEP AMERICANS FED AND HOUSED.

This will require the largest transfer of wealth in American history, from private hands to public works projects. And rather than building highways and airports, it has to be all about downsizing America's resource needs. This can be done by investing in rail, water transport, high density low-rise housing in tight urban areas, the return of small family farms.... etc.

It will cost the rich their current lives of boundless consumption. But without this kind of change, America - and perhaps the world - is finished.

Reducing an issue of this kind of seriousness to partisan soundbites about your favorite political football team (red or blue) demonstrates the need to invest in education as well.

Mind you, I'm aware that cuts to education have been part of the way the rich have taken from the poor as well.

i applaud your candor, it's very rare

you have quite a platform, there

by all means, run with it
 
Last edited:
The reason Trotsky had such a large following is because the world had a disproportionate ratio of the filthy rich few to impoverished millions, and not much of a middle class.
If the rich want to return to that, they should first read up on the French Revolution.

wow, that's one pissed off proletariat
 
Well it's usually from those who don't really know what socialism entailed. We saw it during the healthcare "debate" as well. That's something I'm very skeptical of because I don't think government could actually make a system which wasn't just a gift to corporate America and less to do with helping out the common folk. But there's nothing wrong with asking the question; is this something we could legitimately use government for? Can it produce the desired results? These are valid questions, and the base answer to them is yes. Medical care has aggregated to extreme levels of technology and along with it costs. But there's nothing saying that we can't make a base system which ensures some amount of medical access to everyone. Probably nothing for the big things, surgery and limb replacement, etc. You can still have private insurance for that. But something like a doctor's visit, setting a bone, vaccination, etc. There's no reason you couldn't build a system to handle that. Instead of people putting off going to the doctor till it's too late; you'll encourage people to go early on.

Could it be wasteful? Well on some level because not ever cough we get turns into something serious. But sometimes the coughs we get DO turn into something serious and by having a base level of guaranteed health insurance for all; you'll go a long way into addressing these issues. Which further lowers costs to insurance companies by spotting major aliments early on when treatment is easier and cheaper. But we never even got that discussion. It was socialism this and death panels that. This abandonment of intellectual discourse and discussion has seeped into just about everything; even this public works discussion. There is immediate, knee jerk reactions which prevent intelligent discussion on the matter; and that goes a lot further into harming us and the future of the Republic than some temporary public works program could ever do.

american opinion of obamacare appears pretty fixed

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

you have a lot more talking to do, evidently
 
Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.

a call for higher gas prices?

please continue, by all means
 
I thought conservatives were against subsidies? Gas prices are artificially low in the USA....but I think that will change soon.

Do you have a single shred of proof?
 
meanwhile...

since he DOESN'T have the votes, since he DOESN'T have a bill, since he certainly DOESN'T have time, and since he IS exactly 8 weeks away from the plebiscite which will determine ownership of both houses as well as some 30 governorships, this little SPEECH by president pie-in-the-face can be seen and IS seen by all the chattering class from ap to cnn to msnbc to abc as exactly what it is---mere electioneering, stump style campaigning, ie, politics

but, whereas pretty much all americans see this proposal as exactly what it is, another STIMULUS, he can't SAY it

Obama wants to boost economy - just don't call it stimulus - Sep. 3, 2010

RealClearPolitics - Video - Gibbs: Obama's $50 Billion Plan Is Not Another "Stimulus"

that is, this latest little "infrastructure" is, when rubber reaches road, nothing more than a talking point

and he can't even do that right

are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?
 
uncertaintly is the word and it's killing this economy

questions, worries, doubts, concerns clog up the 2000 unread pages of obamacare, they're all thru the admin's go-ahead/stop-again approach to energy, they're chocked thru the bogus reg reform which EXEMPTS fannie and fred...

and now the bush tax cuts

his own budget-director-just-a-few-week-ago wrote a column today for the lady (ny times) calling for a 2 year EXTENSION of those beastly breaks, even for the obscenely big

http://www.politico.com/politico44/...zag_072739cf-bc02-4646-bfb7-25a46b289c13.html

lieberman, nelson and BUDGET CHAIR kent conrad are all on record in the senate in favor of tax cuts for the rich

romer, who's back in berkeley, wants spending AND tax breaks

plouffe was farmed out last sunday to meet the press, when asked by gregory about those extensions or non- the white house's sunday spokesperson responded, "i don't know"

are you sure these people know what they're doing?

competence is a minimal requirement, no?
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom