Obama stole money from victims of Iranian terror and gave it to Iranian terrorists

[SonOfDaedalus]

American victims of worldwide terror and their survivors have been fighting Iran to pay damages for the crimes they committed against Americans over the last 3 decades.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Were the 9/11 terrorists Iranian?

2. Are ISIS Iranian?

3. Is Al Qaeda Iranian?

4. Is the Taliban Iranian?

 

[marke]

I think this does a good job of clearing up where you are confused.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...nald-trump-iran-150-billion-and-18-billion-c/

How does that prove Obama did not steal victims' money and send it to brutal terrorists he befriended in Iran?

 

[OlNate]

How does that prove Obama did not steal victims' money and send it to brutal terrorists he befriended in Iran?

Err...cuz it was their money to begin with?

 

[marke]

Hey, there is no way to argue with an ideolog, there is plenty of context on this thread that clearly tells you and anyone else where the money came from and how it was released. You choose to ignore it and that's fine by me. That's what ideologs do.

What money did Congress give the victims of Iranian terror and what happened to the nearly $2 billion after Obama got involved?

 

[marke]

Look at the context (Iran Nuclear Deal) all over this thread....O I C you are an ideolog so you choose to ignore context. Trump is President not Obama. And yes we might effect an orderly transition of power in a relatively short period of time. I wouldn't characterize it as a coup. I doubt we can dispatch with Trump before the 2020 elections.

Democrats may finally "dispatch with Trump" in the near future, but they will never be able to "dispatch with" God or God Bless American patriots in the God Bless the U.S.A.

 

[marke]

This entire thread has no merit, the facts stated are incorrect and the entire story is made up.

https://www.apnews.com/727282bdead6489a8521059936375210

The fact checkers from the democrat-leaning media need their facts checked as well. Here is what the AP said:

The payout of about $1.8 billion is a separate matter. That dates to the 1970s, when Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured.

It is the $400 million that a DC court judge declared in 2007 belonged to victims of Iranian terror. It is the $400 million that Congress in 2012 declared belonged to victims of Iranian terror. It is the $400 million which Ruth Ginsburg and the SCOTUS declared belonged to the victims of Iranian terror. That money did not belong to Iran and did not belong to Obama. Obama stole the money from the American victims and gave it to his Muslim terrorist friends in Iran, violating both federal law and court orders.

 

[Myview]

Obama had no authority to disallow the 2007 judgment of the DC court or the 2012 federal law which gave those former Iranian assets to victims of Iranian terrorism. If Obama wanted to swing a deal with Iran he was bound by existing laws and justice to craft such an agreement in a way that did not violate federal laws. He should have known that and probably did.

Yes Obama did have the authority and it was investigated by Congress. He broke no law for various legal reasons. Mick Mulvaney was involved in the investigations pressed mainly by Republicans. If I can find the information
detailing this you should be able to do the same. An ideolog's mind is set and preserved for all eternity. There is no source, no context, nothing that would make you change your mind. In your estimation Obama was a bad dude. History does not treat bad dudes kindly. History will treat Obama kindly. Obama is not the president, Trump is.

 

[Myview]

What money did Congress give the victims of Iranian terror and what happened to the nearly $2 billion after Obama got involved?

Congress appropriated 400 million to fund claims by victims of terror. Look for your self its all over this thread.

 

[Nickyjo]

$1.7-billion payment to Iran was all in cash due to effectiveness of sanctions, White House says - Los Angeles Times

Saw the article. Money was theirs, it seems, from the 1970s. Resulted in release of prisoners. Sounds like a good deal to me.

 

[Nickyjo]

Give what a rest, discussing the powers of the president to do some things that people disagree with? provide a source? How about this:

Supreme Court Rules Frozen Iranian Money Be Turned Over To U.S. Terrorism Victims, NPR, April 20,2016.

Oops. Sorry, American victims of Iranian terror. Obama already stole the money and gave it to the terrorists in spite of the federal law forbidding that, and which the Supreme Court just upheld.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...an-money-be-turned-over-to-u-s-terror-victims

Good thing for the commandeering in chief the fact that he stole the money and gave it to the Iranians despite federal law is that the Obama administration kept the illegal transaction secret for 6 months, giving him cover to let the crime be minimized in spite of the fact that the Supreme Court upheld the very law he unilaterally illegally violated.

Sorry, the link that was sent me by another poster said the money belonged to Iran. Don’t understand. Why would Obama do what you suggest.

 

[Myview]

Democrats may finally "dispatch with Trump" in the near future, but they will never be able to "dispatch with" God or God Bless American patriots in the God Bless the U.S.A.

OIC Evangelical Christian logic. Evangelicals say "We like his policy". Evangelicals say "We can forgive absolutely everything else he does because we like his policy". Words to that effect Jerry Falwell Jr. There is no limit to the damage Trump has done and will continue to do to this country.

 

[Nickyjo]

Sort of confused by two bits of info that seem at odds: was the money appropriated by Congress for victims, or was it Iran’s money that had been frozen when the Shah was overthrown, or are these two separate things? Is there a source for who were the victims and what were the incidents, and what was any Iran connection to either victims or the events?

I realize that Obama is still a villain for conservatives, at least when Hillary (and lately AOC) isn’t in the news, but really, wouldn’t there have been a greater fuss if he gave victims dough to any foreign power, esp Iran? This sounds similar to the Vincent Foster legend for Hillary or Obam birther stuff, urban legends if the right wing.

 

[manofknowledge]

The fact checkers from the democrat-leaning media need their facts checked as well. Here is what the AP said:

The payout of about $1.8 billion is a separate matter. That dates to the 1970s, when Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured.

It is the $400 million that a DC court judge declared in 2007 belonged to victims of Iranian terror. It is the $400 million that Congress in 2012 declared belonged to victims of Iranian terror. It is the $400 million which Ruth Ginsburg and the SCOTUS declared belonged to the victims of Iranian terror. That money did not belong to Iran and did not belong to Obama. Obama stole the money from the American victims and gave it to his Muslim terrorist friends in Iran, violating both federal law and court orders.

Here is a question for you. How did Obama get the money to give it away in the first place? Did he sneak into the Treasury and raid some federal stash when no one was looking?

 

[marke]

How many times do you have to be encouraged to acquire knowledge of something before you post about it?

In November 1979, Iran’s revolutionary government took 52 Americans hostages at the U.S. embassy, and the U.S. severed diplomatic relations with Tehran. In retaliation, Washington froze $12 billion in Iranian assets held on our shores. The hostage crisis was resolved in 1981 at a conference in Algiers, and the U.S. returned $3 billion to Iran, with more funds going either to pay creditors, or into escrow. The two nations also established a tribunal in the Hague called the Iran United States Claims Tribunal to settle claims both leveled by each government against the other, U.S. citizens versus Iran, and vice versa.

The major issue between the two governments was a $400 million payment for military equipment made by the government of the Shah of Iran, prior to the 1979 uprising that topped him. The U.S. banned delivery of the jets and other weapons amid the hostage crisis, but froze the $400 million advance payment.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/08/05/money-america-iran

The money was Iran’s.

Here are the irrefutable facts. Ignorance of the facts is no excuse or justification for denying the truth and propagating politically motivated dishonesty.

the Story of Obama's Ransom Payment to Iran Gets Worse https://mosaicmagazine.com/observat...-of-obamas-ransom-payment-to-iran-gets-worse/

 

[marke]

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Were the 9/11 terrorists Iranian?

2. Are ISIS Iranian?

3. Is Al Qaeda Iranian?

4. Is the Taliban Iranian?

Congress and at least two separate US courts authorized the transfer of $2 billion in frozen Iranian assets into a fund for victims of Iranian terrorism. It does not matter about other terror groups. This case was about the $2 billion in Iranian funds, specifically designated by separate US laws and court judgments as Iran's FMS (Foreign Military Sales) account. There is no doubt that money did not belong to Iran, but to victims of Iranian terror. You cannot twist that to mean something other than that.

 

[marke]

Err...cuz it was their money to begin with?

It was their money until American lawmakers and US courts gave it to the victims of Iranian terror. Although Obama shut down that just and legal operation by stealing it from the victims and giving it to the terrorists in exchange for hostages. Such swift secret ransom paid to Iran for the hostages made him appear to have achieved a diplomatic miracle in his crappy Iran nuclear deal. With Obama it was 'to hell with the American terror victims, I need to secretly slip the Iranians this ransom money in order to make myself look good on the world stage.'

 

[Manc Skipper]

It was their money until American lawmakers and US courts gave it to the victims of Iranian terror.

How could they legally give someone's money to somebody else?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Here are the irrefutable facts. Ignorance of the facts is no excuse or justification for denying the truth and propagating politically motivated dishonesty.

the Story of Obama's Ransom Payment to Iran Gets Worse https://mosaicmagazine.com/observat...-of-obamas-ransom-payment-to-iran-gets-worse/

You post a biased opinion piece as proof of your idiotic assertion?!? GTFOOH


I (and several others) have posted several unbiased, fact based references that absolutely prove what most of us already know: the money belonged to, and was owed to, Iran.

Either you truly are just too entrenched in your own make believe world, or you have decided to continue fighting to support a false story even though you know better. Either way, doesn’t matter to me. I’ve wasted enough time/effort with you. Later.

 

[marke]

Yes Obama did have the authority and it was investigated by Congress. He broke no law for various legal reasons. Mick Mulvaney was involved in the investigations pressed mainly by Republicans. If I can find the information
detailing this you should be able to do the same. An ideolog's mind is set and preserved for all eternity. There is no source, no context, nothing that would make you change your mind. In your estimation Obama was a bad dude. History does not treat bad dudes kindly. History will treat Obama kindly. Obama is not the president, Trump is.

I see I am going to have to post reams of evidence before the democrat groupies will finally start getting the facts straight. Here is a quote, among hundreds available in public media sources:

Nor did the president mention the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Act, signed by President Bill Clinton in 2000 and stipulating that Iran's FMS account could not be refunded until court judgments held by the U.S. government against Iran for damages from terrorist acts against Americans were resolved to America's satisfaction.

https://mosaicmagazine.com/observat...-of-obamas-ransom-payment-to-iran-gets-worse/

Congress had designated the FMS funds be given to victims of Iranian terror. Courts had validated the federal laws designating the FMS funds go to terror victims. SCOTUS agreed in settled opinion that the funds should be given to terror victims. Obama disagreed, so it was 'to hell with American victims of brutal savage barbarian Muslim terror, I will steal the money myself and what what I please with it as long as I am Bolshevik dictator in chief.'

 

[marke]

Congress appropriated 400 million to fund claims by victims of terror. Look for your self its all over this thread.

Supreme Court allows families of terrorism victims to collect nearly $2 billion in seized Iranian assets from the frozen Iranian FMS account Washington Post, April 20, 2016.

Can you explain the $2 billion in a way that does not limit it to $400,000? And was that Iranian money ever paid to the American victims of brutal Iranian Muslim terror?

 

[marke]

Sorry, the link that was sent me by another poster said the money belonged to Iran. Don’t understand. Why would Obama do what you suggest.

Obama needed to get the hostages released on the eve of his historic Iranian nuclear agreement. He may not have known the money had been designated by law and by court judgment to be given to victims of Iranian terror.

 

[Middle_Ground]

You can't really fight the right-wing narrative. You just have to ignore them. These are irrational people. If Trump's presidency has done any good, it has made it clear that most of the Republican party is comprised of irrational people.

These people will believe ANY accusation against a Democrat no matter how little evidence there is. And they will insist that even the smallest molehill is the highest mountain. And at the same time they will ignore any accusation no matter how well established against Republicans.

It's not a fair fight. You can't reason with these people.

I agree with you to a point. We need to keep the facts forward and up front we can't let the narrative be formed by them. I think for a long time thinking people looked at that Alex jones, Laura Ingram stuff as a joke, no one took it seriously enough.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

American victims of worldwide terror and their survivors have been fighting Iran to pay damages for the crimes they committed against Americans over the last 3 decades. Congress passed a law in 2012 authorizing the US to hold Iranian assets in escrow until the many lawsuits could be settled. Obama signed that law. There were 1,300 American victims seeking relief from Iran who filed suit to claim damages according to that law. Obama signed that law.

However, in January 2016 Obama decided on his own to take that money and give it back to Iran, the same day the hostages were released. 19 days later he sent $1.3 billion more to Iranian terrorists, supposedly because he thought the US owed them that money. The US was holding that money to settle American lawsuits. That was the law. Obama in essence said to hell with the law and to hell with the victims I am going to take it upon myself to give these terrorists the money under the pretense that I think it is still their money.

The SCOTUS ruled in April. 2016, that the money did belong to the American victims, not to Iran. Whew, that was close. If Obama had waited just two more months he would not have been allowed to break the law that SCOTUS upheld just a matter of weeks after he violated the law.

Obama screwed American heroes at Ft. Hood in favor of the Muslim terrorists he refused to call a terrorist. Obama screwed the victims of iranian terrorism by stealing their money before the lawsuits could be settled in accordance with ongoing legal proceedings. He screwed the families of those killed in Benghazi by lying about the cause of the terror attack. He screwed a good cops by calling him stupid for arresting a drunk and disorderly black man who was fighting cops. And many other such embarrassing and despicable things.

And democrat dupes think Trump is bad.

Copied/pasted from RW hate media.

 

[Middle_Ground]

Sort of confused by two bits of info that seem at odds: was the money appropriated by Congress for victims, or was it Iran’s money that had been frozen when the Shah was overthrown, or are these two separate things? Is there a source for who were the victims and what were the incidents, and what was any Iran connection to either victims or the events?

I realize that Obama is still a villain for conservatives, at least when Hillary (and lately AOC) isn’t in the news, but really, wouldn’t there have been a greater fuss if he gave victims dough to any foreign power, esp Iran? This sounds similar to the Vincent Foster legend for Hillary or Obam birther stuff, urban legends if the right wing.

It is a very familiar scenario take a legit thing and turn it into something else.
This was a settlement because Iran sued the United States for 10billion. They gave us 400mil in 79 we froze and kept it gaining interest Obama made an executive decision to pay them before we were court ordered to pay a lot more.
If the whole money was for the victims stuff is true it would not have been in our coffers it would have been held by a court.

 

[marke]

OIC Evangelical Christian logic. Evangelicals say "We like his policy". Evangelicals say "We can forgive absolutely everything else he does because we like his policy". Words to that effect Jerry Falwell Jr. There is no limit to the damage Trump has done and will continue to do to this country.

Pornographers do not see Trump as helping further their agendas. Thieves and thugs do not see republican support for concealed carry as beneficial to their criminal enterprises. Atheists do not like Trump's sympathy for Christian values. Homosexuals and pot smokers like democrat tolerance more than what Trump has to offer. Criminals do not like to be denied voting privileges, forceful arrests for criminal activities, or long jail sentences commonly upheld by law and order republicans. Abortionists and sexual libertines definitely love tainted democrats and their tainted policies more than godly laws against sinful behavior. Incoming illegal aliens of the future do not want a wall built.