• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos

dirtpoorchris

King of Videos
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 11, 2008
Messages
11,655
Reaction score
3,612
Location
WA
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos

I think this is related.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-po...-admits-destroyed-92-interrogation-tapes.html
 
This is one of those situations where you hope that such broad reaching powers curtailed the right "wrong" people and didn't erroneously expose the innocent to undue interrogations.

For the sake of combating global and domestic terrorism, you hope such a policy succeeds w/o it turning into panic-stricking assaults that infringe on the rights of innocent Americans or foreignors for that matter.

Still, in the wake of 9/11, I can understand how the initial primus of "exceptional search-and-seizure powers" seemed sound. Nonetheless, one can only hope that no American citizen's 4th Amendment rights have been violated. The justification to do so in the name of "national security" is clearly there.
 
According to this Newsweek article, it would seem that the GW Bush administration was willing to go alot farther than most Americans thought in an effort to combat terror.

Per the article, "In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the Justice Department secretly gave the green light for the U.S. military to attack apartment buildings and office complexes inside the United States, deploy high-tech surveillance against U.S. citizens and potentially suspend First Amendment freedom-of-the-press rights in order to combat the terror threat..."

There's even discussion about imposing martial law if it came to that. All I can say is...WOW! And Conservatives are up in arms about what they believe Pres. Obama may do when one of their own was conspiring to take away (or at the very least subvert) our 1st Amendment rights right under our very noses.

Wow!!!

There's also a link to a 37 page memo from the Dept. of Justice from the Newsweek article that addresses the GW Bush administration's attempt to skirt the 4th Amendment rights of suspected domestic terrorist. Now, granted, if such individuals are not U.S. citizens, I could care less what happens to them. But if they are U.S. citizens, then regardless of their betrayel to their country they still have rights under the law. (Granted, I say they forfeited those rights when they became traitors, but the U.S. Constitution says otherwise...)

Again, all I can say is...WOW!!!
 
Last edited:

I remember finding videos of helicopter raids on civilian buildings with HS. They said it was training and burned everything inside and boarded up n painted the outside the next day. Seemed odd.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/us/politics/03legal.html?_r=1&ref=politics
 
Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…