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Obama on Syria vs. Obama on Iraq

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By Larry Elder
September 5, 2013


Sen. Barack Obama snatched the 2008 democratic nomination from Sen. Hillary Clinton for many reasons, none more important than Obama’s opposition to the Iraq War.

All of Obama’s major opponents — Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., then-Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. and then-Sen. Clinton, D-N.Y. — had voted for authorization for war. Obama, then an Illinois state senator and a candidate for the U.S. Senate gave a speech in October 2002. He called it “a rash war… based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.” Sen. Obama pre-emptively criticized President George W. Bush in 2007 for possibly taking military action against Iran’s suspected nuclear sites — should he do so without congressional approval. Such an action, Obama said then, would be in violation of the Constitution unless the President obtained congressional approval.

Flash forward. March 2011. President Obama joins the French and British in bombing Libya during that country’s civil war. Libya had surrendered its weapons of mass destruction to the Bush administration in early 2004, fearing the same fate as the arrested and jailed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. Obama describes the Libyan campaign as “humanitarian,” but also consistent with our “core interests.” He does not go to Congress.

Today, Obama supports military action against the Syrian government because it “crossed a red line” in its civil war by reportedly using chemicals to kill some 1,400 Syrians. Initially, Obama said he had authority to strike without Congress’ approval, and that he did not intend to seek their permission. Time was of the essence, he said. The use of chemicals, says Obama, violates “international norms” requiring intervention — and by the U.S. alone, says Obama, if necessary.

Then the British Parliament, for the first time since 1782, refused to give the prime minister authority for military action. Here, polls find Americans are overwhelmingly against military force in Syria. Obama abruptly announced that he would seek congressional approval — but said he retained the power to act and refused to say whether he’d do so should Congress vote no.

Where was Obama’s concern about chemical weapons during the 2002 debate on military action in Iraq? Obama opposed it despite Saddam’s assumed possession of WMD and his use of chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people. Of the intelligence community’s assumption that Iraq possessed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons — with the acquisition of nuclear weapons just a matter of time — Obama had no doubt:

“I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein.

He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied U.N. resolutions, thwarted U.N. inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.”

Obama opposed the Iraq War because “even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.” Yet after 9/11, 90 percent of Americans expected a similar attack within 6 months to a year. Apart from using chemicals on his own people, Saddam was shooting at the British and American planes patrolling the “no-fly” areas protecting the Kurds and other ethnic groups; paying $25K to families of homicide bombers; stealing from the Oil-for-Food program; and was in violation of a number of U.N. resolutions to declare what he has done with his WMD and his nuclear program.

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By Larry Elder
September 5, 2013


Sen. Barack Obama snatched the 2008 democratic nomination from Sen. Hillary Clinton for many reasons, none more important than Obama’s opposition to the Iraq War.

All of Obama’s major opponents — Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., then-Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. and then-Sen. Clinton, D-N.Y. — had voted for authorization for war. Obama, then an Illinois state senator and a candidate for the U.S. Senate gave a speech in October 2002. He called it “a rash war… based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.” Sen. Obama pre-emptively criticized President George W. Bush in 2007 for possibly taking military action against Iran’s suspected nuclear sites — should he do so without congressional approval. Such an action, Obama said then, would be in violation of the Constitution unless the President obtained congressional approval.

Flash forward. March 2011. President Obama joins the French and British in bombing Libya during that country’s civil war. Libya had surrendered its weapons of mass destruction to the Bush administration in early 2004, fearing the same fate as the arrested and jailed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. Obama describes the Libyan campaign as “humanitarian,” but also consistent with our “core interests.” He does not go to Congress.

Today, Obama supports military action against the Syrian government because it “crossed a red line” in its civil war by reportedly using chemicals to kill some 1,400 Syrians. Initially, Obama said he had authority to strike without Congress’ approval, and that he did not intend to seek their permission. Time was of the essence, he said. The use of chemicals, says Obama, violates “international norms” requiring intervention — and by the U.S. alone, says Obama, if necessary.

Then the British Parliament, for the first time since 1782, refused to give the prime minister authority for military action. Here, polls find Americans are overwhelmingly against military force in Syria. Obama abruptly announced that he would seek congressional approval — but said he retained the power to act and refused to say whether he’d do so should Congress vote no.

Where was Obama’s concern about chemical weapons during the 2002 debate on military action in Iraq? Obama opposed it despite Saddam’s assumed possession of WMD and his use of chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people. Of the intelligence community’s assumption that Iraq possessed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons — with the acquisition of nuclear weapons just a matter of time — Obama had no doubt:

“I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein.

He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied U.N. resolutions, thwarted U.N. inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.”

Obama opposed the Iraq War because “even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.” Yet after 9/11, 90 percent of Americans expected a similar attack within 6 months to a year. Apart from using chemicals on his own people, Saddam was shooting at the British and American planes patrolling the “no-fly” areas protecting the Kurds and other ethnic groups; paying $25K to families of homicide bombers; stealing from the Oil-for-Food program; and was in violation of a number of U.N. resolutions to declare what he has done with his WMD and his nuclear program.

[Excerpt]

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Obama on Syria vs. Obama on Iraq | FrontPage Magazine

Obama says: Do as I tell you and don't bother about what I do.
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Where was Obama’s concern about chemical weapons during the 2002 debate on military action in Iraq? Obama opposed it despite Saddam’s assumed possession of WMD and his use of chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people. Of the intelligence community’s assumption that Iraq possessed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons — with the acquisition of nuclear weapons just a matter of time — Obama had no doubt:
HOLY COW!! Am I reading that right, are you really trying to compare Iraq to Syria to criticize President Obama? If you do that, then as a con you have to not only support a military strike but also sending in ground troops, spending a trillion dollars , destroying our standing in the world and saying anybody who questions it “is unpatriotic and helping the terrorists win” . Seriously wehr, you need help.

But of course you’ve posted yet another ‘editorial’ that requires the reader to be an imbecile to agree with it (so far that’s 3723 in a row). Read this slowly, our intelligence community did not assume that Iraq “possessed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons”. That’s why Bush had to use “curveball” to make a case. The germans told us not to use him. We promised not to use him. Guess what, we used him. Do you know why? Because he was the best ‘intel’ we had to make a case that Iraq “possessed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons” . And guess what wehr, we don’t have to rely on assumptions about Syria.


You really should put more thought into these silly editorials you post.

Question
"The German government was convinced that "Curveball" would not be used in the now famous presentation that then US Secretary of State Colin Powell gave in 2003 before the United Nations Security Council."

His response
I had assured my German friends that it wouldn't be in the speech. I really thought that I had put it to bed. I had warned the CIA deputy John McLaughlin that this case could be fabricated. The night before the speech, then CIA director George Tenet called me at home. I said: "Hey Boss, be careful with that German report. It's supposed to be taken out. There are a lot of problems with that." He said: "Yeah, yeah. Right. Dont worry about that."

SPIEGEL Interview with CIA's Former Europe Director: "We Probably Gave Powell the Wrong Speech" - SPIEGEL ONLINE
 

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more on Bush's lies. So not only did they present something to the UN they knew was a lie, they didnt bother to let colin in on the scam

Powell Calls His U.N. Speech a Lasting Blot on His Record

Asked further how he felt upon learning that he had been misled about the accuracy of intelligence on which he relied, Mr. Powell said, "Terrible." He added that it was "devastating" to learn later that some intelligence agents knew the information he had was unreliable but did not speak up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politics/09powell.html?_r=2
 
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