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Obama: Neoconservative

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Just to be clear, it is the neocons who were among the key architects of the war against Iraq in 1991, followed by the embargo that killed half a million children and set the stage for the 9/11 attacks, which were then used to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq (an ambition long predating 9/11) and the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, American’s longest military engagement — all of which have killed more than a million people, wreaked political havoc, and made life in those countries (and elsewhere) miserable. Let’s not forget the drone assassination program being run in a dozen Muslim countries. The neocon achievement also has helped drive the American people deep into debt.

Nice crowd Obama is hanging with these days. And that’s no exaggeration. Frederick Kagan, one of the top neocon brains and a signatory of the Project of the New American Century imperial manifesto, now works for Gen. David Petraeus.
See the myth that is squawked by cons that Obama is weak is in fact a myth. He is still killing and spilling the blood of Muslims, Arabs, Pashtuns and other groups like they want. Their real problem and bitching in reality is that he isnt killing them fast enough. Simply him being gone wont change things since most of team red is as blood thirsty as team blue they just change the bull**** they squawk.

Obama: Neoconservative by Sheldon Richman
 

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Neoconservatism or "compassionate conservatism" is just another way of saying, make people slaves to the state. That is why wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion are so important. If not for those issues, there would be very little separating liberals and neocons. In fact, the only difference would probably be who should carry the most tax burden?
 

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Neoconservatism or "compassionate conservatism" is just another way of saying, make people slaves to the state. That is why wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion are so important. If not for those issues, there would be very little separating liberals and neocons. In fact, the only difference would probably be who should carry the most tax burden?
Liberals dont care about gay marriage either, they only care because its to get the gay vote. Its based on the "Where are they going to go" theory.
 

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Certain neoconservatives are exaggerating the content of Obama's speech. Dare I say, it is because in a small way it sashayed in their direction, rather than adopting it. It was more Fukuyama than Kristol or Kagan. Also, another problem is that while Kagan is working with General Petraeus, it would be simply exaggerative to suggest that this will automatically translate to the President listening to their advice. I would like to submit the recollections of a great many people who did work in previous administrations of various ideological bents struggling to get through certain hurtles to have their ideas become executable and supported throughout the executive branch. Recent examples include the Carter administration, the Reagan administration, the Bush administration, the Clinton administration, and the George W. Bush administration.
 
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See the myth that is squawked by cons that Obama is weak is in fact a myth. He is still killing and spilling the blood of Muslims, Arabs, Pashtuns and other groups like they want. Their real problem and bitching in reality is that he isnt killing them fast enough. Simply him being gone wont change things since most of team red is as blood thirsty as team blue they just change the bull**** they squawk.

Obama: Neoconservative by Sheldon Richman
Although Obama is hanging with the Necons, he is really a Neoliberal at heart. The difference is that, while Necons are quick to use military force, Neolibs prefer to punish by economic means those who don't go along, although at times they are not adverse to the use of military force. But make no mistake, their goals are the same. It's only their "ends justify the means" strategies that differ a bit.
 
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Yes yes. I bet Bush and Obama are clinking beers together in their secret under ground white house rave, laughing manically as they watch the death toll ticker and debt clock's rise on the big screen. They have wet t shirt contests too. Bush takes an Iraqi baby and twists its head off and pours it on Obama's shirt. Then they go on amazon and max out their credit cards. Yeah, war is so cool! And then Obama forgets to twist off a baby head when it's Bush's turn and then Bush cries and upset that it's taking Obama longer to kill muslims or something.

Question, if leftists(liberals are neoliberals and im not going to say neoneoliberals, leftists'll do) and neocons are apparently blood thirsty spend thrift tyrants, why are limiting ourselves to only two wars? why aren't we drafting people in the military?
 

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Did you have significant differences with his son?
From videos that I have seen yes. He seems to be in favor of war with Iran and hasnt indicated of being against the Patriot Act.

Yes yes. I bet Bush and Obama are clinking beers together in their secret under ground white house rave, laughing manically as they watch the death toll ticker and debt clock's rise on the big screen. They have wet t shirt contests too. Bush takes an Iraqi baby and twists its head off and pours it on Obama's shirt. Then they go on amazon and max out their credit cards. Yeah, war is so cool! And then Obama forgets to twist off a baby head when it's Bush's turn and then Bush cries and upset that it's taking Obama longer to kill muslims or something.

Question, if leftists(liberals are neoliberals and im not going to say neoneoliberals, leftists'll do) and neocons are apparently blood thirsty spend thrift tyrants, why are limiting ourselves to only two wars? why aren't we drafting people in the military?
A couple of reasons

1. Military Drafts even in this era are no doubt still political sucicide

2. Military people are more or less right wing, they will all of a sudden start talking anti-war for the sole fact that they dont want the military dying for a leftist president.

3. The Iran War drums are beating however not as loudly but they are still beating. So they will get another war, especially with current voter trends
 

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anyone claiming that the Americans are the violent/bloodthirsty ones in this fight simply speaking have no idea what they are talking about.

that's like accusing the North of invading the South with the intent of setting Jim Crow law into place :roll:
 
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So then the alleged blood thirst isn't unquenchable.
 

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So then the alleged blood thirst isn't unquenchable.
I never said that it wasnt. Im saying that the bull**** lie that Obama is a pasfist or "giving the country to the terrorists" is nothing but a lie. When one war ends, another has to fill the void which allows the crushing of civil liberties at home.
 

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I never said that it wasnt. Im saying that the bull**** lie that Obama is a pasfist or "giving the country to the terrorists" is nothing but a lie. When one war ends, another has to fill the void which allows the crushing of civil liberties at home.
which of your civil liberties have been crushed in particular?
 

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It's amazing how quickly people want to rewrite history but the facts are as follows when it came to authorizing the Iraq War.

In the house.
Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1
Independent 0 1 0 0
TOTALS 297 133 0 3

In the Senate
Party Ayes Nays No Vote
Republican 48 1 0
Democratic 29 21 0
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 77 23 0

So keep these numbers in mind because as you see some Democrats crossed the line to vote for it, because there for a short time everyone did believe that Obama had WMDs because Saddam went around claiming he did to keep Iran at bay.

Hell the goofy fool even buried perfectly good jets in the desert to hide them. And he had massive amounts of never gas he used on his own people. He was a stone killer and yes some of the intelligence was really poor and we found out later.

Did Bush make mistakes? You damn betcha plenty of them, but nothing compared to the Radical in Chief Progressive Obama who doesn't have a conservative thought in his pea brain.

Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits

Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits

The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the liberal community and mass media in a panic.

The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during a news conference in Baghdad.

Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.

The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when Hans Blix asked to see them.

The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
 
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well yeah. we also found the infamous "yellow cake" uranium.

what we didn't find were active wmd production lines. the wmd's themselves, however, were absolutely there.
 

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well yeah. we also found the infamous "yellow cake" uranium.
No we didn't. You have got to stop lying. The only yelloe cake we found was the yellow cake we knew was there, that was sealed and NEVER touched.

what we didn't find were active wmd production lines. the wmd's themselves, however, were absolutely there.
Or storage facilities. Or people with training. Or accidents. Or paper trails. Or transporation systems. Or frankly anything that a WMD system requires.

The only chemical weapons found were buried weapons from the Iran-Iraq war.
 

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:lol: um. duh? sortofmypoint? :)
How so? The yellow cake that we found was sealed in UN containers, monitored and was never touched by Saddam. The yellow cake Bush claimed was being used in a nuclear weapons program never existed. The UN yellow cake was never the yellow cake that was in question. I remember being at WS when a bunch of retarded partisans reported that story was proof of Bush's claims without realizing what that particular batch of yellow cake was. Bunch of retarded morons.

So, no, not your point. We never found the infamous yellow cake. Not surprising considering we found absolutely nothing to support such a system. No storage facilities. No one with training. No accidents. No paper trails. No transportation networks. Nothing. We can detect whales from space, but we found nothing to support a chemical or nuclear weapons program in Iraq.
 
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How so? The yellow cake that we found was sealed in UN containers, monitored and was never touched by Saddam. The yellow cake Bush claimed was being used in a nuclear weapons program never existed.
if i may quote myself: what we didn't find were active wmd production lines.

I remember being at WS when a bunch of retarded partisans...
ah :). so that's your issue. get kicked off for PA and trolling, did you? :)
 

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if i may quote myself: what we didn't find were active wmd production lines.
Nor did we find the infamous yellow cake as you falsely stated.

ah :). so that's your issue. get kicked off for PA and trolling, did you? :)
Not really. I did manage to get Navy pride banned from that website though.
 

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Nor did we find the infamous yellow cake as you falsely stated.
yes we did, as you yourself admit and then attempt to qualify.

Not really
then your behavior there was better than your behavior here, and that is unfortunate.

I did manage to get Navy pride banned from that website though.
you were one of the mods? this i doubt.
 

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Liberals dont care about gay marriage either, they only care because its to get the gay vote. Its based on the "Where are they going to go" theory.
Ignorant post, and I mean this literally. (Webster's Dictionary)

Just like liberals are racists only embracing the AA community for votes.

Just like liberals are treasonous embracing the hispanic vote (cause we know they are all illegals)
:bs
 

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It's amazing how quickly people want to rewrite history but the facts are as follows when it came to authorizing the Iraq War.

In the house.
Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1
Independent 0 1 0 0
TOTALS 297 133 0 3

In the Senate
Party Ayes Nays No Vote
Republican 48 1 0
Democratic 29 21 0
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 77 23 0

So keep these numbers in mind because as you see some Democrats crossed the line to vote for it, because there for a short time everyone did believe that Obama had WMDs because Saddam went around claiming he did to keep Iran at bay.

Hell the goofy fool even buried perfectly good jets in the desert to hide them. And he had massive amounts of never gas he used on his own people. He was a stone killer and yes some of the intelligence was really poor and we found out later.

Did Bush make mistakes? You damn betcha plenty of them, but nothing compared to the Radical in Chief Progressive Obama who doesn't have a conservative thought in his pea brain.
well yeah. we also found the infamous "yellow cake" uranium.

what we didn't find were active wmd production lines. the wmd's themselves, however, were absolutely there.
No we didn't. You have got to stop lying. The only yelloe cake we found was the yellow cake we knew was there, that was sealed and NEVER touched.



Or storage facilities. Or people with training. Or accidents. Or paper trails. Or transporation systems. Or frankly anything that a WMD system requires.

The only chemical weapons found were buried weapons from the Iran-Iraq war.
The Yellow cake was known about and sealed by the IAEA and were sealed when the US did get to them. They were not part of a WMD program.
 
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