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Is someone believes the are Superman, does that make it so?
No but it makes them a believer in one of those things. Religion is a belief. If someone believes they are a Christian, they are a Christian. If someone believes they are a Muslim, they are a Muslim. That's how it works.
Obama is not too bright.
That's right people...
If Obama disagrees with that you are the religion you say you are that means you're not that religion
Thank god this kind of stupid standard isn't actually the standard, or else all the idiots accusing Obama of lying about being Christian and really being Muslim would suddenly have a leg to stand on
Yes, Isis is fundamentally Islamic in its makeup and foundational philosophy. Saying and acknowledging that fact and reality doesn't mean all Muslims agree with their stances or interpretations. This ridiculous attempt to deny reality in a backwards attempt at bending over backwards to disassociate them from a clear factor in their actions is not just dishonest but irresponsible. If you want to specific that they are a fundamentalist version, that's fine. But to claim they're not Islamic is just pure hogwash
It's not a personal attack. I don't even know who you are.As usual, you cannot refute what I said and instead resort to personal attacks. Just because they call themselves Islamic, doesn't make it so. But please continue with your foaming at the mouth comments.
How so? he didn't have to mention Islam at all.So damned if he does, damned if he doesn't?
Perhaps his followers need this explained to them, but they are the only ones.Explaining who the enemy is and who isn't the enemy is an important thing when trying to justify a conflict. And I see so many Americans think that Islam as a whole is a problem, he really has to explain that it isn't. That's him being the leader Republicans so love to claim he's not.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063746141 said:Lefties trying to persuade everyone else ISIS isn't Islamic because Obama said so. :rofl
Not consistent with Islam? here's what the Koran says. The Quran's Verses of ViolenceObama knows that their behavior isn't consistent with Islam despite their claims. Really all that matters, you and the others making hay with this are ok, it's what partisans do.
Obama knows that their behavior isn't consistent with Islam despite their claims. Really all that matters, you and the others making hay with this are ok, it's what partisans do.
Superman is a fictional characters whereas Muslims are real. This shouldn't need explaining.Is someone believes the are Superman, does that make it so?
Superman is a fictional characters whereas Muslims are real. This shouldn't need explaining.
How so? he didn't have to mention Islam at all.
Perhaps his followers need this explained to them, but they are the only ones.
That's just it. Your explanation made no sense. If it did millions of people, including ourselves, wouldn't even be having this conversation.I already explained why it was necessary.
Who is saying all of Islam is a danger? Can you name names here? I have never heard anyone say that.Which makes no sense since it's not his followers who traditionally claim all of Islam is a danger to us.
That's just it. Your explanation made no sense. If it did millions of people, including ourselves, wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Who is saying all of Islam is a danger? Can you name names here? I have never heard anyone say that.
Is that what he was doing? Calming tensions? How does it calm tensions when a US President says obviously goofy things?Just because people refuse to change their opinions doesn't mean Obama didn't have the obligation, as a leader, to try to calm tensions against an innocent group of people.
I have been paying attention but, in case I missed it, who are these group of people? Anyone we have heard of?You haven't been paying very close attention to the past 13 years. There's been a consistent section of the American population that believes Islam is inherently a violent religion and seek to convince other people of that. That's classic fear-mongering and classic dehumanizing, both of which are preludes to the justification of violence against a group of people.
And what does this mean to you? That Islam is inherently a violent religion?If you need names, plenty of people voted "No" in this recent poll on this very site:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/203954-islam-religion-peace.html
Is that what he was doing? Calming tensions? How does it calm tensions when a US President says obviously goofy things?
I have been paying attention but, in case I missed it, who are these group of people? Anyone we have heard of?
And what does this mean to you? That Islam is inherently a violent religion?
How is it "goofy" to explain that the vast, vast majority of over one billion Muslims aren't out to kill us?
I think that's kind of important.
I've certainly seen a lot of people state that, along with justifying their stance based on the violence of Mohammed.
But if you really need reality spoon-fed to you, some links proving my point:
God Hates Islam
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
Endless Jihad: The Truth about Islam and Violence | Catholic Answers
Top ten reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace
Majority of Americans think Islam promotes violence more than other religions - The Week
It's not a personal attack. I don't even know who you are.
Why do you deny they are Muslims when they call themselves Muslims? Is there any evidence whatsoever that they are not?
Not consistent with Islam? here's what the Koran says. The Quran's Verses of Violence
The Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) has given clear instructions about the behaviour of the Muslim army. He observed:
"Set out for Jihad in the name of Allah and for the sake of Allah. Do not lay hands on the old verging on death, on women, children and babes. Do not steal anything from the booty and collect together all that falls to your lot in the battlefield and do good, for Allah loves the virtuous and the pious."
So great is the respect for humanly feelings in Islam that even the wanton destruction of enemy's crops or property is strictly forbidden. The righteous Caliphs followed closely the teachings of Allah and those of His Apostle in letter and spirit the celebrated address which the first Caliph Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) gave to his army while sending her on the expedition to the Syrian borders is permeated with the noble spirit with which the war in Islam is permitted. He said:
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock. save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"
It is said that once at the time of conquest, a singing girl was brought to al-Muhajir b. Abu Umayya who had been publicly singing satirical poems about Hadrat Abu Bakr. Muhajir got her hand amputated. When the Caliph heard this news, he was shocked and wrote a letter to Muhajir in the following words:
"I have learnt that you laid hands on a woman who had hurled abuses on me, and, therefore, got her hand amputated. God has not sought vengeance even in the case of polytheism, which is a great crime. He has not permitted mutilation even with regard to manifest infidelity. Try to be considerate and sympathetic in your attitude towards others in future. Never mutilate, because it is a grave offence. God purified Islam and the Muslims from rashness and excessive wrath. You are well aware of the fact that those enemies fell into the hands of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who had been recklessly abusing him; who had turned him out of his home; and who fought against him, but he never permitted their mutilation."
Another letter written by hadrat 'Umar the Second Caliph, which is addressed to Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas, speaks eloquently of the noble spirit with which the Muslims have bear exhorted to take up arms:
"Always search your minds and hearts and stress upon your men the need of perfect integrity and sincerity in the cause of Allah. There should be no material end before them in laying down their lives. but they abould deem it a means whereby they can please their Lord and entitle them. selves to His favour: such a spirit of selflessness should be inculcated in the minds of those who unfortunately lack it. Be firm in the thick of the battle as Allah helps man according to the perseverance that he shows in the cause of His faith and he would be rewarded in accordance with the spirit of sacrifice which he displays for the sake of the Lord. Be careful that those who have been entrusted to your care receive no harm at your hands and are never deprived of any of their legitimate rights."
Nope. Not by that logic. Christianity is not the defining element of the KKK. Radical Islam is the defining element of ISIS.
It's pretty consistent with all the other Muslim Caliphates, historically speaking, so I'm not sure what you...and he...are basing such an idea.
Says who? Since there is no demonstrable "true" version of Islam, just like there isn't any demonstrable "true" version of Christianity, how do we know that their behavior isn't consistent with their particular interpretation of the Qur'an? After all, as I keep saying, there are more than 33,000 distinct sects of Christianity. Prove which one of them, if any, are consistent with Christianity.
Not consistent with Islam? here's what the Koran says. The Quran's Verses of Violence
You seem to think Barrack Obama knows and understands who are real Muslims and who isn't. If these aren't real Muslims has he mentioned where they are? Or maybe he thinks Muslims should be like Christians or Jews. Or perhaps he believes Islam is apolitical.
One thing we know for certain.No matter what Barrack Obama may say, or how ridiculous it might be, there are those loyal followers who will believe every word.
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