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Talk about slithering snakes...
Unbelievable.
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Obama: I didn't draw the red line on Syria, world did [W:162]
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Unbelievable.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
He just stepped out of his own vomit and is blaming it on the world, the international community, on America, and on congress.
Has this charlatan no shame?
And no one has the integrity or principle to call him out on it.
He just stepped out of his own vomit and is blaming it on the world, the international community, on America, and on congress.
Has this charlatan no shame?
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
No. Not a smidgen. He even blamed history - all the signatories to the Geneva Conventions from 1925 to the present. He, Obama, remains above it all. He alone has the moral authority and clarity to act.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
It will be, actually. The President's reputation is on the line (to disagree with him), the Congress's reputation is on the line, the American public's reputation is on the line, and the international community's reputation is on the line.
It will be, actually. The President's reputation is on the line (to disagree with him), the Congress's reputation is on the line, the American public's reputation is on the line, and the international community's reputation is on the line.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
Bush had the troops next door. He could have easily finished this in the same week. Obviously, his fault.
One mission accomplished poster for two countries.
Bush had the troops next door. He could have easily finished this in the same week. Obviously, his fault.
One mission accomplished poster for two countries.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
Yep. Cant say we didn't warn them.
They basically elected a child.
Yep. Cant say we didn't warn them.
They basically elected a child.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
And people wonder how a long time and perhaps our most trusted ally, the UK wouldn't even walk to walk with this turd of a president! How disgraced I am feeling right now. To be honest I was disgraced from the get go, but I thought it couldn't get any worse. No one trusts this idiot!
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And people wonder how a long time and perhaps our most trusted ally, the UK wouldn't even walk to walk with this turd of a president! How disgraced I am feeling right now. To be honest I was disgraced from the get go, but I thought it couldn't get any worse. No one trusts this idiot!
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
He disconnected himself completly, from his Nation and his supporters by basically blaming everyone but him for his own remarks.
We have a child running our Country.
He disconnected himself completly, from his Nation and his supporters by basically blaming everyone but him for his own remarks.
We have a child running our Country.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
He's attempting to put pressure on the Congress to do its job in legitimizing his action. By losing the UK, having a skeptical public, and without UN support, the President is more or less trying to put the ball in their court. Yes, it's a political calculation, and some things could have been handled better, but this was the right political calculation and it needed to be one. We expect the President of the United States to take a tough stand on issues of grave foreign policy interest, be it a nuclear Iran, genocide, or chemical weapon use on civilian populations. He gives one, which was what we expected, and the coalition around him evaporated. This simply makes sense.
He's attempting to put pressure on the Congress to do its job in legitimizing his action. By losing the UK, having a skeptical public, and without UN support, the President is more or less trying to put the ball in their court. Yes, it's a political calculation, and some things could have been handled better, but this was the right political calculation and it needed to be one. We expect the President of the United States to take a tough stand on issues of grave foreign policy interest, be it a nuclear Iran, genocide, or chemical weapon use on civilian populations. He gives one, which was what we expected, and the coalition around him evaporated. This simply makes sense.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
LOL !!
No he's NOT.
Honestly, the only way he could put pressure on Congress is to blame everyone but himself for his own statement ? Why are you defending this man-child ?
And whats stopping him anyway. He wen't into Lybia ( Now its a lawless hotbed for Islamo-terrorist..thanks Captain dumbs***..)
LOL !!
No he's NOT.
Honestly, the only way he could put pressure on Congress is to blame everyone but himself for his own statement ? Why are you defending this man-child ?
And whats stopping him anyway. He wen't into Lybia ( Now its a lawless hotbed for Islamo-terrorist..thanks Captain dumbs***..)
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I mean really, whats stopping him ?
Any surgical strike will be reported as a success, no matter how much of a waste of a good T-Hawk missle it is, with photo's soon following showing Obama sitting in the Situation Room looking intently at the Flat screens.
I mean really, whats stopping him ?
Any surgical strike will be reported as a success, no matter how much of a waste of a good T-Hawk missle it is, with photo's soon following showing Obama sitting in the Situation Room looking intently at the Flat screens.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
That isn't a lie so much as a rhetorical device. It is true that Obama wasn't exactly the first US President to proclaim that chemical weapons are unacceptable. It is true that leaders from around the world have proclaimed the same since WWI. That's all I got from his speech.
For the record, I am opposed to Syrian intervention. I wish that Obama had never mentioned a line of any color. That said, I am glad he's requesting permission from Congress to intervene, which looks to me like an attempt to find an excuse to not intervene, or at least put it off. Given the choice between the US not following through on the red-line statement (thus looking weak) and the US launching a strike (thus accomplishing little and killing a bunch of people), I would choose the former.
While Obama has made many mistakes, I am even more confident that he was the right choice in 2008. Obama is nowhere near the slavering warmonger that McCain is, who even now is urging US involvement in Syria. (I am less certain Obama was better than Romney, who just didn't talk as much about foreign policy. For my vote, that was more of a toss up)
That isn't a lie so much as a rhetorical device. It is true that Obama wasn't exactly the first US President to proclaim that chemical weapons are unacceptable. It is true that leaders from around the world have proclaimed the same since WWI. That's all I got from his speech.
For the record, I am opposed to Syrian intervention. I wish that Obama had never mentioned a line of any color. That said, I am glad he's requesting permission from Congress to intervene, which looks to me like an attempt to find an excuse to not intervene, or at least put it off. Given the choice between the US not following through on the red-line statement (thus looking weak) and the US launching a strike (thus accomplishing little and killing a bunch of people), I would choose the former.
While Obama has made many mistakes, I am even more confident that he was the right choice in 2008. Obama is nowhere near the slavering warmonger that McCain is, who even now is urging US involvement in Syria. (I am less certain Obama was better than Romney, who just didn't talk as much about foreign policy. For my vote, that was more of a toss up)
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
Don't worry
He would NEVER use the IRS like the Gestapo to target and harass his political opposition
He would never use his NSA to spy on you
He would never lie about what happened at Benghazi
Don't worry
He would NEVER use the IRS like the Gestapo to target and harass his political opposition
He would never use his NSA to spy on you
He would never lie about what happened at Benghazi
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Unbelievable. It's because of world views like this we are in the situation we are now, with this petty, petulant would-be dictator of child occupying the most powerful political office in the world.
"Tough stand" my dairy aire. He's a sniveling weasel that rather than own up to his own mistakes is more than willing to not only blame everyone else - INCLUDING his own country and people - rather than man up to his incompetence and stupidity and admit he made a mistake.
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Unbelievable. It's because of world views like this we are in the situation we are now, with this petty, petulant would-be dictator of child occupying the most powerful political office in the world.
"Tough stand" my dairy aire. He's a sniveling weasel that rather than own up to his own mistakes is more than willing to not only blame everyone else - INCLUDING his own country and people - rather than man up to his incompetence and stupidity and admit he made a mistake.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
It's not about defending him. The use of chemical weapons is an international "red-line"....and supposedly the international community has decided that certain actions require a consequence.
You also criticize him for Libya...and criticize him for taking more deliberation before going into Syria and getting Congressional support? The only thing confusing and nebulous is the conservative thought process.
It's not about defending him. The use of chemical weapons is an international "red-line"....and supposedly the international community has decided that certain actions require a consequence.
You also criticize him for Libya...and criticize him for taking more deliberation before going into Syria and getting Congressional support? The only thing confusing and nebulous is the conservative thought process.
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There are worse atrocities happening all around the world. Obama isn't launching the warships. Oh those are Christians being slaughtered. /yawn
Just stop it already. We have no business in Syria. This is obviously a blatant. Obama is on video setting a red line. At this point we need to start asking ourselves how mentally and emotionally stable our President is. Clearly he is hallucinating and making things up.
There are worse atrocities happening all around the world. Obama isn't launching the warships. Oh those are Christians being slaughtered. /yawn
Just stop it already. We have no business in Syria. This is obviously a blatant. Obama is on video setting a red line. At this point we need to start asking ourselves how mentally and emotionally stable our President is. Clearly he is hallucinating and making things up.
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Yeah, it's not about what's the right thing to do, it's about political calculations. :roll: So when he going to bomb Iran?
Yeah, it's not about what's the right thing to do, it's about political calculations. :roll: So when he going to bomb Iran?
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I agree...which is why I'm glad he's going to Congress rather than making the decision to pull the trigger and strike Syria on his own.
As for atrocities happening all over the world...sure...but chemical attacks by a regime are supposedly something the vast majority of countries have signed on to saying it's unacceptable. It's an issue to be debated....is the international community willing to take action on the use of chemical weapons? Does the US see it as their duty to respond? Thank God it's going to Congress so that this is actually debated.
I agree...which is why I'm glad he's going to Congress rather than making the decision to pull the trigger and strike Syria on his own.
As for atrocities happening all over the world...sure...but chemical attacks by a regime are supposedly something the vast majority of countries have signed on to saying it's unacceptable. It's an issue to be debated....is the international community willing to take action on the use of chemical weapons? Does the US see it as their duty to respond? Thank God it's going to Congress so that this is actually debated.
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His minions, for some bizarre reason, don't care when he lies, when he intrudes on their liberties, their wallets, their lives. What manner of thought process is it that can justify the sort of person this man has proven himself to be occupying the most powerful office in the world?
He's literally become the teflon Don. Nothing sticks to him. Truth, reason, common sense... they all slither off his scales like water.
His minions, for some bizarre reason, don't care when he lies, when he intrudes on their liberties, their wallets, their lives. What manner of thought process is it that can justify the sort of person this man has proven himself to be occupying the most powerful office in the world?
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What a bunch of BS
Warmongers like you want to make me puke. Where were you when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds? Your premise is flimsy at best and not even 10% of the required justification to get involved in another unjust war.
What a bunch of BS
Warmongers like you want to make me puke. Where were you when Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds? Your premise is flimsy at best and not even 10% of the required justification to get involved in another unjust war.
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Re: Now he's lying about the Red Line...
No it isn't a "red line" nor is the so-called international community in agreement as to any response to the use of chemical weapons. IF the use of chemical weapons draws any response, it's purely a political one. And you most certainly are defending him the same way conservatives defended Bush back in the early days of the Iraq war.
No it isn't a "red line" nor is the so-called international community in agreement as to any response to the use of chemical weapons. IF the use of chemical weapons draws any response, it's purely a political one. And you most certainly are defending him the same way conservatives defended Bush back in the early days of the Iraq war.