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Just so we're clear, you're saying that we're better with Kutcher than Clark as DefSec? We being either the country, or just Obama?
I simply can see little difference.
Thats a little short on his credentials dont you think?
"He was educated at Abington High School in Abington, Pennsylvania, where he had been president of the honor society, and graduated in 1972. He received bachelor's degrees in physics and in medieval history from Yale University, summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.[7] He then received his doctorate in theoretical physics from the University of Oxford in 1979, where he was a Rhodes Scholar.[7]
During his time in Oxford, around 1977 to 1979, he was based at St John's College, Oxford working with Christopher Llewellyn Smith, chairman of Oxford Physics, who was a Fellow of the College, and among other duties he served as tutor to physics undergraduates, including Stephen Wolfram who went on to found Mathematica, and Oliver Tickell, currently editor of The Ecologist. He was subsequently a postdoctoral fellow at Rockefeller University and MIT, and an experimental research associate at Brookhaven and Fermilab National Laboratories.
Ashton Carter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thats not true
Former Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project, Harvard & Stanford Universities
Former Chair of International & Global Affairs faculty, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University Ashton B. Carter - Harvard - Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Also an expert on terrorism, missile defense, and limiting nuclear weapons.
I like Carter. But then again, I'm a born Capitalist, and Carter is a Capitalist through and through (when he isn't playing in Academia).
Of course, some people would have preferred someone who actually had some practical experience outside of investments, Academia, and big business. Obama does like the big business guys.
What makes him an "egghead"?Well let me put it to you another way, who is more likely to mend some fences with the Pentagon? An egghead
And its true Carter hasnt "fought along side them in the past", but he has worked along side them in the past: Chairman of NATO High Level, negotiations with the Russians, invovled with defense operations with former Soviet States after the Cold War, involved with nuclear negotiations, involved in the Shift to Asia policy, long time member of the Defense Science Board and the Defense Advisory Board which are the main advisory body to the DOD, member of SOS Rice's International Security board, co-chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Policy Advisory Group, a consultant to the Defense Science Board, a member of the National Missile Defense White Team, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences Committee on International Security and Arms Control. Was also one of the leaders to call for greater attention to terrorism before 9/11...who's only experience with the military has been handling the purse strings, or a decorated former General who has fought a long side and worked with many of the men in the past? Better yet, what experience does ol' Kutcher have with working with our foreign allies? I see he was a expert for Goldman Sachs. Is that really equal to a man who has real world experience working in cooperation with our allies and Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO during the Kosovo Conflict?
I do.... Both have their expertise, both have experience, both have long standing careers in the ares of defense.You gotta be trolling me at this point if you really think these guys are on the same level man!
What makes him an "egghead"?
And its true Carter hasnt "fought along side them in the past", but he has worked along side them in the past: Chairman of NATO High Level, negotiations with the Russians, invovled with defense operations with former Soviet States after the Cold War, involved with nuclear negotiations, involved in the Shift to Asia policy, long time member of the Defense Science Board and the Defense Advisory Board which are the main advisory body to the DOD, member of SOS Rice's International Security board, co-chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Policy Advisory Group, a consultant to the Defense Science Board, a member of the National Missile Defense White Team, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences Committee on International Security and Arms Control. Was also one of the leaders to call for greater attention to terrorism before 9/11...
I do.... Both have their expertise, both have experience, both have long standing careers in the ares of defense.
So he is an "egghead" because he has no direct combat experience? That makes a lot of people who have been involved with wars, defense, national security "eggheads" then by that standard......Because he comes from a think tank background and hasn't seen a day of real world combat. In fact, I dare you to point out one time he was even shot at.
Being directly involved with national security, defense, and foreign relations for the past 22 years doesnt make you qualified?Yes, yes, he's been on an awful lot of committees and boards and groups, but none of that makes him in the least be qualified to be Obama's chief liason to the Pentagon now does it?
You keep on bringing up partisanship... He was part of both Democrat and Republican administrations....And if you were just looking for someone who was bringing attention to terrorism before 9/11, then hell, I'd even take Clarke as SecDef before Kutcher here. At least with him I know he's worked both sides of the aisle and is all about getting the job done instead of currying political favor, which many in the military would respect.
Do you mean secretary of defense?See, I think his "qualifications" make him far more suitable to being a National Security Adviser then it does as President.
I think either one of them can do both...At least in that role he can focus on offering Obama his expertise without having to deal with military personnel on a daily basis as SecDef has to do.
Bottom line, probably the most important thing for any SecDef to do at this point is to try and smooth over relations between the Pentagon and the White House and former decorated general is going to be far more useful then someone whose closest experience with conflict is a back and forth with a Russian mediator.
So he is an "egghead" because he has no direct combat experience? That makes a lot of people who have been involved with wars, defense, national security "eggheads" then by that standard.
Being directly involved with national security, defense, and foreign relations for the past 22 years doesnt make you qualified?
You keep on bringing up partisanship... He was part of both Democrat and Republican administrations....
And why dont you think Carter cant do this? Because he never served in the military? He has been directly involved in both Democrat and Republican administrations with defense operations and the office itself.
And a lot of them weren't qualified for the position of SecDef. It's fine if you want them to work as NSA, as all that role is about is advising the president on foreign policy, but SecDef's role is more than just that.
You talk about generals. Ever hear of the Join chiefs of Staff?Not for SecDef it doesn't. I think your really underestimating how important it is for the President to have someone that the Generals directly answer to that he can not only trust, but can also relate to the men in the Pentagon.
What makes you say his past positions are irrelevant?He may of been in the think tank scene for both administrations, but make no mistake, the only time he's held any position of political relevance has been during the Obama administration as Under Secretary.
He has been in the Secretary of Defense office for some time, dealt with NATO.But he's never been a part of the military hierarchy.
Yea I kinda doubt that since he has been around defense, and national security for 20+ years now.It be like some nerd heading into the hood and pretending to blend in, hoping that all that studying he did on the internet about what it means to be "from the hood" helps. I don't care if the guy aced the "Thuganomics" course, he still don't belong there.
Do you know the best thing about the Secretary of Defense office is? Its that you must be a civilian to hold that office. You cannot be a current active military officer, general, etc. I believe if you were you must be retired for 7 years before you can hold that position. The Secretary of Defense is very much an advisory roll to the president. He is the primary defense advisor to the President.
You talk about generals. Ever hear of the Join chiefs of Staff?
What makes you say his past positions are irrelevant?
He has been in the Secretary of Defense office for some time, dealt with NATO.
"The Secretary of Defense is the principal defense policy adviser to the President and is responsible for the formulation of general defense policy and policy related to all matters of direct concern to the Department of Defense, and for the execution of approved policy. Under the direction of the President, the Secretary exercises authority" Defense.Gov - Top LeadersThat better describes a National Security Advisor, a position that is still very influential in deciding all sorts of foreign policy issues with one key exception: they are outside the military chain of command. As Kutcher didn't have any combat experience, he's a better fit there to coordinate with someone like Wesley Clark.
No ideaI don't think Obama's on their Xmas card list at the moment, do you?
So now your beef is because he didnt serve in the military? You do realize you dont have to serve in the militarY? You realize that the majority of our secretary of defense's did not serve in the military?So now you're going to throw in a career "expert" who hasn't served a day of combat and expect them to respect this geek?
Totally....Odds are they were pulling up underwear of this guys's head in high school...
How do you know that. You make a lot of broad assumptions that provide no factual backing.Because career military guys aren't going to work with a guy who's closes shot to a purple heart came at the hands of a paper cut.
His resume to me makes him look qualified enough.The guy does have a filled out resume, I'll give you that. But again, besides being in conference rooms all of his professional life, what has he really done to deserve the second in command spot of the military?
What does Clark bring that Kutcher doesnt? Their resumes are incredily similar.Bottom line: what does Kutcher here bring to the table that a guy like Clark doesn't it? And just in case you try to flip it around, let me stop you there and remind you that Clark is at least a former decorated officer himself. That means a hell of a lot more to the folks in the pentagon then someone who's been in conference rooms his whole life.
"The Secretary of Defense is the principal defense policy adviser to the President and is responsible for the formulation of general defense policy and policy related to all matters of direct concern to the Department of Defense, and for the execution of approved policy. Under the direction of the President, the Secretary exercises authority" Defense.Gov - Top Leaders
No idea
So now your beef is because he didnt serve in the military? You do realize you dont have to serve in the militarY? You realize that the majority of our secretary of defense's did not serve in the military?
Totally....
How do you know that. You make a lot of broad assumptions that provide no factual backing.
His resume to me makes him look qualified enough.
What does Clark bring that Kutcher doesnt? Their resumes are incredily similar.
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