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Obama calls for adding public option to ObamaCare

Im sure there's quite a bit you dont know and yes, Vermont was going to be the first State to offer up Single Payer as a replacement for ObamaCare

Again, the Democrats with their great wisdom and knowledge added in the option into the ACA thinking that a State could honestly inact a Single payer system without cratering their local economy.

These are the same people that think more Government control over our Healthcare is whats going to fix ObamaCare

Lol !!

Obama and the Democrats have done enough damage, dont you think ?

I mean ObamaCare is SO bad, Democrats in the last Midterms had to pretend it didn't exist for fear of losing their jobs. And they got creamed anyway



This is why I said Obamacare set back America at least four decades. Look, single payer is coming, just like social security.

But in the horrible roll out of Obamacare single payer, as you call it, was tacked on to be given a bad name.

It works, it works fine here.

I have NEVER had a conversation on this with an American who didn't have a long list of lies and myths about the Canadian system. The right in America has to be the most mis-informed group of people on the planet on this issue.
 
This shoulda been put in the first place, as an alternative to BOcare.:2wave:

yep. with the majority that they had in congress back then, a public option should have been the bare minimum compromise for the health care reform bill.
 
This is why I said Obamacare set back America at least four decades. Look, single payer is coming, just like social security.

But in the horrible roll out of Obamacare single payer, as you call it, was tacked on to be given a bad name.

It works, it works fine here.

I have NEVER had a conversation on this with an American who didn't have a long list of lies and myths about the Canadian system. The right in America has to be the most mis-informed group of people on the planet on this issue.

The " Right " in America knew from the beginning that Obama-Care was going to be a disaster, we didn't believe the lies and the BS, we were informed.

The people who were mis-informed were the useful idiots and the naive who bought into the Democrat narrative that our system was broken to begin with. The people that believed they could keep their doctor and insurance if they liked them, that believed that it was a " free-market solution ", that believed that it was going to make Healthcare " affordable ".

ObamaCare isn't a horrible law because of its roll out. It's a disaster because its was written by foolish people who gave no intelligent consideration to it's consequences. By people who could care less how destructive it's become because they're more loyal to a ideology than they are to the truth.

Lies about Single payer are one thing, but what about the lies Obama and the Democrat party fed to the average American ? ObamaCare has had a substantial impact on our economy and the cost of healthcare. Premiums and out of pocket expenses and deductibles have shot up exponentially and are still rising.

ObamaCare's cost increases are targeted at the Middle-class, the shrinking Middle-class. Poor get free healthcare and the rich can afford the cost increases.

Why do American Conservatives oppose Single Payer ? It's not because we're uninformed, on the contrary. We're intelligent enough to know that Single payer here would turn into a corrupt poorly run cluster **** with no chance of real oversight, just like the VA. There would be ZERO recourse for the American consumer.

Dont believe me ? Name ONE VA official or Politician that was held accountable for allowing veterans to languish on hidden waiting list for years without treatment. Just one.

Any legitimate criticism or accusations of corruption or mismanagement of Single Payer system in the US would be either ignored outright or countered as a politicized " witch hunt " meant to take healthcare away from the American people. No matter how expensive, how unsustainable or how damaging it was to our economy it would be hailed a " great success ", as progress.

Oversight investigations into corruption and or mismanagement would be met with lies, stonewalling and or 5th amendment pleas. No, we sure as hell don't need Single payer here.
 
Vermont was going to be the first State to offer up Single Payer as a replacement for ObamaCare

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I hope you don't mind my pruning your post butt i think that i kept the part that addressed the post of mine that you quoted.If not let me know.:2wave:


The single-payer option /also known as Medicare for all gets a tad above 50%, and 25% of republicans support it as well according to one poll I read a while back.Why are you opposed United States life expectancy of an extra eight years? :(
 
I say push it hard, it should've been in from the beginning - but better yet: Follow Bernie's lead & go single-payer!

Ruin the economy, ruin healthcare, pursue failure!! YEAH YEAH!!! I want highly rationed, centralized medicine where my choices are dictated by bureacrats in washington and I HAVE NO CHOICES!

**** yeah!
 
Ruin the economy, ruin healthcare, pursue failure!! YEAH YEAH!!! I want highly rationed, centralized medicine where my choices are dictated by bureacrats in washington and I HAVE NO CHOICES!

**** yeah!
Enough already.

Medicare & Medicaid work fair enough, and I'd be happy with an expansion. You can stick with your private insurance policies and premiums if you'd like.
 
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I hope you don't mind my pruning your post butt i think that i kept the part that addressed the post of mine that you quoted.If not let me know.:2wave:


The single-payer option /also known as Medicare for all gets a tad above 50%, and 25% of republicans support it as well according to one poll I read a while back.Why are you opposed United States life expectancy of an extra eight years? :(

What a lazy and irrelevant rebuttal

So unless we turn our Healthcare industry over to a corrupt, inefficient, bloated bureaucracy, millions upon millions of people will die early ?

Or Single payer adds 8 years to your life ?

That kind of crap is all the left has when it comes to defending their agenda. Scare tactics, demagogy and lies.
 
What a lazy and irrelevant rebuttal

So unless we turn our Healthcare industry over to a corrupt, inefficient, bloated bureaucracy, millions upon millions of people will die early ?

Or Single payer adds 8 years to your life ?

That kind of crap is all the left has when it comes to defending their agenda. Scare tactics, demagogy and lies.

AHhh… the famed DP obtuse defense is still in play for our tea bagger contingent I see. Where the **** could you come up with “8 years to your life “from that chart I posted?

Its access to health care that as any fool can see with except the fool that goes by the handle of Fenton.What you call a “bloated bureaucracy“ grew at an average rate of 7.5% between 1969 and 2013 as opposed to the 9.1% average annual growth rate of private health insurance spending per enrollee.That’s serving the elderly and the disabled.:thumbs:
 
Enough already.

Medicare & Medicaid work fair enough, and I'd be happy with an expansion. You can stick with your private insurance policies and premiums if you'd like.

Another problem that doesn't get much mention is the cost of malpractice insurance. I can't cut-and-paste on this device, but a neurosurgeon in Florida pays over $ 230,000 for insurance that costs about $24,000 in Toronto and just over $10,000 in Vancouver.
 
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Grrrrrr.....

So the US helps defend and liberate Europe from a tyranical Nazi hoard.

After that the US helped rebuild Europe through the Marshal Plan.

After that the US funds the creation of Military large enough to counter the Soviet threat to us and our allies while Europe and Canada spent their money experimenting with Socialism
. A experiment thats led to basket cases like Greece, Spain, Italy and even Venezuela and Argentina.

Now we're being preached to by these people. We get to listen to their patronizing BS.

Their nanny state mentality is completely at odds with the fundamental underlying principle's this Nation was built on but its infested our cultureato the point where a avowed Socialist offered up a legitimate challenge to Hillary Clinton
 
Now I didn't say that, did I?

I just don't have much faith in government's ability to actually deliver much of anything worth what it typically costs them (the tax payers).

Nobody is asking you for "faith," sport. If you're upset with the way this government runs a particular organization (such as the VA), you propose a better way and lobby Congress to pass a law that makes it happen. You don't just sit on your ass and whine.
 
Nobody is asking you for "faith," sport. If you're upset with the way this government runs a particular organization (such as the VA), you propose a better way and lobby Congress to pass a law that makes it happen. You don't just sit on your ass and whine.

The VA is badly broken, that's no lie. It's going to remain broken because those in control of it and those in control around it want it to remain broken and / or don't care enough to take the actions to fix it.

What the VA needs is a thorough house cleaning, getting rid of the deadwood bureaucrats and non-performers that it's accumulated and that the bureaucracy is protecting. I heard that Trump has a plan . . . .
 
Yes, that's a good example of a workable & easily implemented single-payer system!

Only the insurance companies are holding us back.

There is a reason why Doctors set quotas for the number of Medicare patients they will accept.
 
The VA is badly broken, that's no lie. It's going to remain broken because those in control of it and those in control around it want it to remain broken and / or don't care enough to take the actions to fix it.
That's why you would lobby for laws that make them fix it. Haven't you been listening?

What the VA needs is a thorough house cleaning, getting rid of the deadwood bureaucrats and non-performers that it's accumulated and that the bureaucracy is protecting. I heard that Trump has a plan . . . .

Trumpsuckers will say anything.
 
How many republican senators voted against the Comprehensive Veterans Health and Benefits and Military Retirement Pay Restoration Act in 2014?

You might want to check your facts. That bill was a bloated pig that was going to explode all over itself.
Overloaded vets bill would be a costly letdown | TheHill

It would have made the system worse.

Just pointing out the effect and cause for you.
Yep Obama is president and thee va is still crap.
In fact there was another article saying that all the money they did get was wasted.
There you have it government healthcare in action.


If republicans hadn't stonewalled BO for eight years, the VA would be fixed as we speak.
It is a good thing they did otherwise we would be in worse shape.


I woulda thought you would want the best for you and your family.It's kinda surprising that you would be putting your Ideology ahead of your familys heathcare.SAD indeed :(

That is why I have great private insurance and everyone on government insurance
Stinks. So yes I do value my families healthcare hence why I don't want
The government to get the hands on my healthcare.

They have already done enough damage by driving the cost of my insurance up.
 
So,ten pages in an no one can explain why creating a public option is a bad idea
 
What a lazy and irrelevant rebuttal

So unless we turn our Healthcare industry over to a corrupt, inefficient, bloated bureaucracy, millions upon millions of people will die early ?

Or Single payer adds 8 years to your life ?

That kind of crap is all the left has when it comes to defending their agenda. Scare tactics, demagogy and lies.
Forbes Welcome

We lead the world n medical innovation that costs money.
 
So,ten pages in an no one can explain why creating a public option is a bad idea

Ive explained why its a bad idea several times on this very forum.

Here's a good reason. Single payer or a Govt run system would be a nightmarish scenario.

No matter how mismanaged it became, how expensive, how unsustainable and or how economically destructive it became it would be hailed as a great success by the Left.

Any attempt at Congressional oversight would be labeled as a " Politicized witch hunt " meant to take peoples " free healthcare " away as one Govt official after the other lied their way through Commitee knowing there are zero consequences for Democrats or Democrat appointments who perjur themselves.

There would be zero recourse for people who were put on a waiting list for years without treatment or people who received substandard care.

Any evidence of corruption and mismanagement would be buried and the people responsible would never be held accountable for their actions

The Left and the Democrats have ZERO credibility at this point. They are never to be trusted
 
Ive explained why its a bad idea several times on this very forum.

Here's a good reason. Single payer or a Govt run system would be a nightmarish scenario.

No matter how mismanaged it became, how expensive, how unsustainable and or how economically destructive it became it would be hailed as a great success by the Left.

Any attempt at Congressional oversight would be labeled as a " Politicized witch hunt " meant to take peoples " free healthcare " away as one Govt official after the other lied their way through Commitee knowing there are zero consequences for Democrats or Democrat appointments who perjur themselves.

There would be zero recourse for people who were put on a waiting list for years without treatment or people who received substandard care.

Any evidence of corruption and mismanagement would be buried and the people responsible would never be held accountable for their actions

The Left and the Democrats have ZERO credibility at this point. They are never to be trusted

That's not an explanation. It's a hyped scare tactic based on ZERO demonstrable facts.
 
That's not an explanation. It's a hyped scare tactic based on ZERO demonstrable facts.


Not hype at all, its exactly what the Democrats have been doing for the last 8 years.

From holding NO ONE accountable for the VA scandal to hyping ObamaCare when it was clear it was a disaster to stonewalling and lying in front of Congressional Committees going all the way back to Fast and Furious.

The Left and the Democrat party have proven time and time again that they cant be trusted and that they put their agenda first, no matter how much damage their agenda causes.

Single payer would be no different.
 
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