Typical. That's NOT what is happening. The change is not an opposition to a doctors standard practice...it is an attempt to have doctors change THEIR practices to ask more questions...questions ABSOLUTELY unrelated to medical needs. But then...Im SURE you advocate that doctor prying into every detail of your life, right? Or backdooring their way into your life by interrogating your kids. You aren't just pro interrogation on gun ownership...you are pro interrogation on diet, meal choices, exercise, excessive TV, leaving children unattended, does your mommy or daddy text while driving? Use a cell phone (Do you know how many die from that horrible combination?)? Does daddy have a boyfriend that mommy doesn't know about-he is putting mommy at risk! Does mommy or daddy leave cleaning supplies under the sink? Oh...the list of 'dangerous' behaviors is endless. And of course...Im SURE you advocate for ALL of them and not JUST interrogation on guns. Why...if you did...that would be COMPLETELY hypocritical.And the "anti-gun" argument is that "If a Dr's professional opinion is that it's prudent to do so, he should ask about a patient's access to firearms?"
Is there some reason why we want to micromanage Drs? Have they abused their ability to ask us about our firearms over the last couple of centuries? What harm has come of it?
Not nonsense... Goshin was asked... now... is he unstable?
Typical. That's NOT what is happening. The change is not an opposition to a doctors standard practice...it is an attempt to have doctors change THEIR practices to ask more questions...questions ABSOLUTELY unrelated to medical needs. But then...Im SURE you advocate that doctor prying into every detail of your life, right? Or backdooring their way into your life by interrogating your kids. You aren't just pro interrogation on gun ownership...you are pro interrogation on diet, meal choices, exercise, excessive TV, leaving children unattended, does your mommy or daddy text while driving? Use a cell phone (Do you know how many die from that horrible combination?)? Does daddy have a boyfriend that mommy doesn't know about-he is putting mommy at risk! Does mommy or daddy leave cleaning supplies under the sink? Oh...the list of 'dangerous' behaviors is endless. And of course...Im SURE you advocate for ALL of them and not JUST interrogation on guns. Why...if you did...that would be COMPLETELY hypocritical.
I posted quotes and cites earlier in this thread where AMA and APA representatives talked about how it was the 'right' thing to do to query children about guns in the homes. No... I don't believe the vast majority of doctors will do this and as I have said, twice now, where patients are suicidal or expressing extreme depression it is NOT an inappropriate question for a doctor to ask. Proposing it or advocating it as a matter of course? Inappropriate at least.You're over reacting. The ONLY change that I see is that it suggests that doctors routinely ask about guns if there are small children in the house. It's a dumb question... unless there is justification, but there is no law that gives this suggestion any bite. It's a suggestion only. Beyond that, if you read the language of what was in the OP, pretty much everything else is about questioning a patient based on the doctor's assessment of their potential for risk. You and I work in the same field and, I would imagine, do this frequently. In fact, I just did it 30 minutes ago. This has been SOP for a long time and will continue to be.
I posted quotes and cites earlier in this thread where AMA and APA representatives talked about how it was the 'right' thing to do to query children about guns in the homes. No... I don't believe the vast majority of doctors will do this and as I have said, twice now, where patients are suicidal or expressing extreme depression it is NOT an inappropriate question for a doctor to ask. Proposing it or advocating it as a matter of course? Inappropriate at least.
That MAY be the thing that annoys me the most. MOST of the round of Exec Orders were just that. Irrelevant silly suggestions designed only to give the pretense that something is being done about violent crime. No...the doctors I know aren't going to be bothered with this. As the med associations continue to promote the community health models they may develop questionnaires that their administrators will read, review, and then god forbid should a bunch of 19 year olds begin to start lecturing people about gun ownership or gun safety.I would agree, but I'm not seeing anything other than a silly suggestion that most are going to ignore. I read an article online, recently, that discussed that most health care providers have no intention of following this suggestion and will continue to do what they are doing.
I have not heard that anywhere but in your post. Can you quote the language of the "change"?Typical. That's NOT what is happening. The change is not an opposition to a doctors standard practice...it is an attempt to have doctors change THEIR practices to ask more questions...questions ABSOLUTELY unrelated to medical needs.
Well, I am not surprised that you would think such of me. But, I have grown accustomed to you being wrong. So continuing to be wrong--this time about me and what I think--comes as no surprise I s'pose.But then...Im SURE you advocate that doctor prying into every detail of your life, right? Or backdooring their way into your life by interrogating your kids.
In case it wasn't clearly stated enough, I am not. But, don't let facts get the way now when they don't appear to have been stopping you before.You aren't just pro interrogation on gun ownership...
And you find these issues to be beyond the purview of your physician?...you are pro interrogation on diet, meal choices, exercise...
I think you have gone quite round the bend with your strange assumptions about me....excessive TV, leaving children unattended, does your mommy or daddy text while driving? Use a cell phone (Do you know how many die from that horrible combination?)? Does daddy have a boyfriend that mommy doesn't know about-he is putting mommy at risk! Does mommy or daddy leave cleaning supplies under the sink? Oh...the list of 'dangerous' behaviors is endless. And of course...Im SURE you advocate for ALL of them and not JUST interrogation on guns. Why...if you did...that would be COMPLETELY hypocritical.
MD's are now law enforcement.
I can't wait until our medical records are public... of course... for the good of the nation.
Ha! Obama's alternate universe.
The doctors that I've picked out just by random chance, all seem to be armed to the teeth. And they have the money to buy the most expensive guns available.
Have to wonder if Obama actually think Doctors like and respect him.
You're over reacting. The ONLY change that I see is that it suggests that doctors routinely ask about guns if there are small children in the house. It's a dumb question... unless there is justification, but there is no law that gives this suggestion any bite. It's a suggestion only. Beyond that, if you read the language of what was in the OP, pretty much everything else is about questioning a patient based on the doctor's assessment of their potential for risk. You and I work in the same field and, I would imagine, do this frequently. In fact, I just did it 30 minutes ago. This has been SOP for a long time and will continue to be.
And you think that Drs don't know their business?This thing with Obama includes doctors of the body. Who have no buisness asking that question unless they suspect the person is mentally unstable.
And you think that Drs don't know their business?
They have had the ability to ask you these sorts of questions all along.
W/e evil that will come of it has already happened.
While I can appreciate the difference, it doesn't seem that Obama actually did ask them to do it.There is a difference in my eye of the doctors already having this ability and the President of the United States asking them to do it knowing that they can already do it.
With all due respect CC you are a psychologist correct? Isn't it sorta your job to ask questions like that in certain situations? You may be titled a doctor but you are just a doctor of the mind. This thing with Obama includes doctors of the body. Who have no buisness asking that question unless they suspect the person is mentally unstable. And even then they should call in people like you to determine the persons sanity.
As for asking children. Don't you kind of find that asking that question to children just because the person has children morally dispicable?
With all due respect CC you are a psychologist correct? Isn't it sorta your job to ask questions like that in certain situations? You may be titled a doctor but you are just a doctor of the mind. This thing with Obama includes doctors of the body. Who have no buisness asking that question unless they suspect the person is mentally unstable. And even then they should call in people like you to determine the persons sanity.
As for asking children. Don't you kind of find that asking that question to children just because the person has children morally dispicable?
I'm not sure that I understand your question. Can you restate it?
What exactly do you mean by "just" a doctor of the mind?
No offense taken...just seeking clarification. When it comes to matters of the mind, most medical doctors I know defer to 'mind' doctors quick fast and in a hurry.They want doctors to ask children about guns in their homes, particularly if the parent that brought them in indicates that there are guns in the home. Do you think that is morally right? Should it be allowed? Note that I'm not talking about mentally disturbed people, i'm talking about normal, non-criminal, sane people.
I'm not sure I understand your question. A phsycologist helps mentally disturbed people. That is in essence a "doctor of the mind". Or are you taking offense at the word "just" since you put quotations around it? If so please know that no offense was meant.
MD's are now law enforcement.
I can't wait until our medical records are public... of course... for the good of the nation.
cite for this desire, please.They want doctors to ask children about guns in their homes...
I note that you are. But the issue seems to be that Obama isn't saying what you're saying he's saying. So no matter what you're talking about, the issue is what Obama talked about.Note that I'm not talking about mentally disturbed people, i'm talking about normal, non-criminal, sane people.
This is obviously true for several posters.You're misreading what it says.
MD's are now law enforcement.
I can't wait until our medical records are public... of course... for the good of the nation.
cite for this desire, please.
I note that you are. But the issue seems to be that Obama isn't saying what you're saying he's saying. So no matter what you're talking about, the issue is what Obama talked about.
The Op quoted the Weekly Standard--not exactly where one goes to find out what Obama actually said...ever,I've already cited it. It came from the OP's quotes.
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