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Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help [W:84]

Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Why not just say you prefer the one term Marxist and it does not matter that he lied to you and that his minions lied to you?

Look, I'll even look past the absurd "one term Marxist" comment for the sake of a static thread. To answer your irrelevant question in a relevant manner, what matters to me is whether or not Americans at home and abroad can count on their fellow Americans in and outside of the government to help them when help is needed. When the POTUS lies to us, I care. If I sat down to vote for whether or not Obama is a liar liar pants on fire, I would consider going either way, and I'd want to know the facts and not just the conjecture which you depend upon to make your preconceived judgements official.

But it's so absurd to suggest that a lie from the Obama administration automatically warrants a vote for Romney. Do you think Romney will have a four year stay in the White House without ever lying to the American people? Nixon lied, LBJ lied, Clinton lied, HW Bush lied, W Bush lied, and yes, Obama lied. They all lie. W Bush's administration knowingly used trumped up and sometimes completely false information to convince Americans and congress that we should invade an entire country. That's kind of a big deal, bro. Did you disown W at that point? We vote for a President not because we believe them to be angels in a human guise, but because we believe them to be the better individual to move this country in the right direction.

Maybe your blunt post deserved an equally blunt response, so here it is - your arguments make no sense and are based on the completely ridiculous premise that Romney will never lie, is infallible, and can walk on water while inventing a perpetual motion machine. Good luck with your fictional candidate.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Earlier I wrote, "Why not just say you prefer the one term Marxist and it does not matter that he lied to you and that his minions lied to you?"

Look, I'll even look past the absurd "one term Marxist" comment for the sake of a static thread.
Fine. In a few days his Marxism will no longer matter.

To answer your irrelevant question in a relevant manner,
In your opinion Obama lying and covering up his major policy failure, the policy of pretending things are fine in the Middle East, a major State Department failure, the failure to secure our diplomats and our employees in a very dangerous country, and a major intelligence failure all on his watch is irrelevant?

what matters to me is whether or not Americans at home and abroad can count on their fellow Americans in and outside of the government to help them when help is needed.
We know the answer is "not". When the call came in the president failed.

When the POTUS lies to us, I care.
Except this time?

If I sat down to vote for whether or not Obama is a liar liar pants on fire, I would consider going either way, and I'd want to know the facts and not just the conjecture which you depend upon to make your preconceived judgements official.
Uh-huh. Anyone who was open-minded has sufficient information available to reach the right conclusion. Obama-supporters never will have enough information. Why not just admit that you like a little Marxist European-style socialism and move on?

But it's so absurd to suggest that a lie from the Obama administration automatically warrants a vote for Romney.
Not just from the regime. From the president; from the vice president, from the secretary of state, from her minion, and from other members of the ruling junta.

Do you think Romney will have a four year stay in the White House without ever lying to the American people? Nixon lied, LBJ lied, Clinton lied, HW Bush lied, W Bush lied, and yes, Obama lied. They all lie.
And here, finally, is the ultimate liberal excuse. Everybody does it. You too?

W Bush's administration knowingly used trumped up and sometimes completely false information to convince Americans and congress that we should invade an entire country.
Yep. You too. Everybody, including you lie. I understand.

That's kind of a big deal, bro. Did you disown W at that point?
No. he did not lie. I understand the liberal need to rewrite the past to fit today's narrative. 1984 by G. Orwell was instructive on that point.

We vote for a President not because we believe them to be angels in a human guise, but because we believe them to be the better individual to move this country in the right direction.
I prefer to choose based on character, morality, and demonstrated leadership qualities. Your mileage may vary.

Maybe your blunt post deserved an equally blunt response, so here it is - your arguments make no sense and are based on the completely ridiculous premise that Romney will never lie, is infallible, and can walk on water while inventing a perpetual motion machine. Good luck with your fictional candidate.
You have built a straw man. I love that about you.
 
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If you believe Fox News when they claim they have sources but won't name the sources, I have a used car to sale you.
Fox News has a reputation for making news up.

Just like people from Mississippi have a reputation for being dumb masses.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Call it as it is. The Obama minions were sent out to lie to the American people. Obama lied to the whole world.

Obama lied and people died!

Obama lied and people died!

Obama lied and people died!

Until justice is done!

We owe them at least that much.
 
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Just like people from Mississippi have a reputation for being dumb masses.

That's all you got? If your going to go with the insult defense, you should come up with a better insult.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

And here, finally, is the ultimate liberal excuse. Everybody does it. You too?

No. he did not lie. I understand the liberal need to rewrite the past to fit today's narrative. 1984 by G. Orwell was instructive on that point.

I understand that this forum is for debating politics, but the partisanship you've demonstrated here is pretty out there. You're making the claim that Bush didn't lie? Was that a type-o?

Late 2002: Hussein allows UN weapons inspectors into Iraq, followed by thorough documentation which showed there was no evidence to support the Bush administration's claims that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Not only can it be proven that the administration lied to us about their intelligence, Bush himself actually lied about what happened -- or you might call it "rewriting history." I am referring to this:

On July 14th, 2003, Bush said: “We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power.”

So then here's the fact that it was the Bush administration that demanded UN inspections, got them, then told the inspectors to leave because Bush (it was probably Cheney to be fair) decided that we should just invade anyway.

Read down in a bit in that article, or perhaps you can recall, that we were unable to get approval to take out Hussein when the case to invade was presented to the UN.

And yet, in 2004, W said: “We went to the United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution... unanimous resolution." Weird, that sounds like a lie to me due to the fact that what he is saying is not true.

Most of the things you said I had actually responded to in the parts of my post that you edited out. Do you think we're playing jeopardy? Because my answer came before your question. We live in a world made of color, virtually no action or decision can be looked at in black and white. We are all weighing the advantages and disadvantages of voting for a candidate. Your inability to acknowledge this fact and your absurd denial that W Bush ever lied (there's no way that even you believe something that ridiculous. he never lied? man oh man.) paints a portrait of a person who isn't interested in the truth at all. So you could be in denial, unaware, or incapable of accepting the very concept of subjectivity. You're one of those three. Oh, wait, there's one other option. You could be lying.
 
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That's all you got? If your going to go with the insult defense, you should come up with a better insult.

It was meant to be more of a way to point out reputations aren't always accurate.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Your error is in making unsupported assertions. Show me the proof for your claims.

why hold him to higher standards than those you meet with your posts?
 
Are you serious? It happens all the time in war. Requests for air cover are denied. Troops are ordered to stand down rather than engage when other units have been ambushed.

I am sure that whoever made the decision wasn't just trying to be mean. Time will tell why the decision was made, but it's ridiculously premature to assume that it was the wrong call without more information.

I agree but we deserve to know before the election.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

It was meant to be more of a way to point out reputations aren't always accurate.

The thing is, Fox news earned their reputation. The make things up all the time. I have seen it. To deny that is to stick your head in the sand.
 
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why hold him to higher standards than those you meet with your posts?

I don't.

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Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

I understand that this forum is for debating politics, but the partisanship you've demonstrated here is pretty out there. You're making the claim that Bush didn't lie? Was that a type-o?

Late 2002: Hussein allows UN weapons inspectors into Iraq, followed by thorough documentation which showed there was no evidence to support the Bush administration's claims that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Not only can it be proven that the administration lied to us about their intelligence, Bush himself actually lied about what happened -- or you might call it "rewriting history." I am referring to this:

On July 14th, 2003, Bush said: “We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power.”

So then here's the fact that it was the Bush administration that demanded UN inspections, got them, then told the inspectors to leave because Bush (it was probably Cheney to be fair) decided that we should just invade anyway.

Read down in a bit in that article, or perhaps you can recall, that we were unable to get approval to take out Hussein when the case to invade was presented to the UN.

And yet, in 2004, W said: “We went to the United Nations, of course, and got an overwhelming resolution... unanimous resolution." Weird, that sounds like a lie to me due to the fact that what he is saying is not true.

Most of the things you said I had actually responded to in the parts of my post that you edited out. Do you think we're playing jeopardy? Because my answer came before your question. We live in a world made of color, virtually no action or decision can be looked at in black and white. We are all weighing the advantages and disadvantages of voting for a candidate. Your inability to acknowledge this fact and your absurd denial that W Bush ever lied (there's no way that even you believe something that ridiculous. he never lied? man oh man.) paints a portrait of a person who isn't interested in the truth at all. So you could be in denial, unaware, or incapable of accepting the very concept of subjectivity. You're one of those three. Oh, wait, there's one other option. You could be lying.
I know that you want to divert. I know you must divert.

But you don't get to.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Your error is in making unsupported assertions. Show me the proof for your claims.

Are you living under a rock? Have you tried exposure to the truth? Shift away from the state-run media for a few weeks. If the truth is too hard you can always go back to them.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Are you living under a rock? Have you tried exposure to the truth? Shift away from the state-run media for a few weeks. If the truth is too hard you can always go back to them.

Obama's state run media versus the Fox news patriot press, lmfao. Who will win the battle of good versus evil?
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Obama's state run media versus the Fox news patriot press, lmfao. Who will win the battle of good versus evil?

Hint: it will not be the Ministry of Truth.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

I know that you want to divert. I know you must divert.

But you don't get to.

I responded to YOU, this is the thread you started, and we got here from what you said to me. I said every president has lied and Bush's lies about Iraq were worse than Obama's lies about Benghazi. Then you said "Bush didn't lie." Then I proved that he did. Then you said "I know you need to divert." If you were in a court room debating, and you said something which I proceeded to prove completely wrong, do you think you could say "i know he must divert" and the judge would think that's a reasonable response? He'd laugh at you, which is probably what I should have done in the first place, because you're a joke. I don't care about defending Obama, I said he was lying about Benghazi. Who do you think I am, a campaign staffer? I care about being right, which obviously isn't a priority of yours, since you can be shown you have no idea what you're talking about and you don't even process it. Just another partisan hack who cares more about hating the other side than making this nation and this world a better place.

Too bad I was only able to succeed at debating politics.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

At this point, posts about "Bush did it too" are little more than partisan hackery as well.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Then you said "Bush didn't lie." Then I proved that he did.

You proved no such thing. You merely repeated a discredited talking point.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

You proved no such thing. You merely repeated a discredited talking point.

Did you read my post? This was the first part: Late 2002: Hussein allows UN weapons inspectors into Iraq, followed by thorough documentation which showed there was no evidence to support the Bush administration's claims that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Not only can it be proven that the administration lied to us about their intelligence, Bush himself actually lied about what happened -- or you might call it "rewriting history." I am referring to this:

On July 14th, 2003, Bush said: “We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power.”

Do you see what I just did there? I proved he lied. Bush said Saddam wouldn't allow inspectors in, and Bush didn't say it one time, he said it over and over and over again. He lied. It's a fact. I have proven it.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Did you read my post? This was the first part: Late 2002: Hussein allows UN weapons inspectors into Iraq, followed by thorough documentation which showed there was no evidence to support the Bush administration's claims that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Not only can it be proven that the administration lied to us about their intelligence, Bush himself actually lied about what happened -- or you might call it "rewriting history." I am referring to this:

On July 14th, 2003, Bush said: “We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power.”

Do you see what I just did there? I proved he lied. Bush said Saddam wouldn't allow inspectors in, and Bush didn't say it one time, he said it over and over and over again. He lied. It's a fact. I have proven it.

Talking points... :yawn:
 
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Talking points... :yawn:

Oh, I hate to tell you this, but you've accidentally posted on a forum called "Debate Politics." I believe you're looking for the "Ignore Proof" forum.
 
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Obama's state run media versus the Fox news patriot press, lmfao. Who will win the battle of good versus evil?

It is looking like Fox News to me. But that is what happens when one combines on the ground reporting, fact-based reporting, and smart, beautiful women.
 
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It is looking like Fox News to me. But that is what happens when one combines on the ground reporting, fact-based reporting, and smart, beautiful women.

Except that Democrats don't like news that is fair and balanced.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

I responded to YOU, this is the thread you started, and we got here from what you said to me. I said every president has lied and Bush's lies about Iraq were worse than Obama's lies about Benghazi.
See. Diversion. Nice tactic. If one chooses to fall for it. I do not choose to fall for it.

Then you said "Bush didn't lie." Then I proved that he did.
No. You took the usual liberal line. It did not work then. It will not work now.

Then you said "I know you need to divert."
Which you clearly intend to continue to try...

If you were in a court room debating, and you said something which I proceeded to prove completely wrong, do you think you could say "i know he must divert" and the judge would think that's a reasonable response? He'd laugh at you, which is probably what I should have done in the first place, because you're a joke. I don't care about defending Obama, I said he was lying about Benghazi. Who do you think I am, a campaign staffer? I care about being right, which obviously isn't a priority of yours, since you can be shown you have no idea what you're talking about and you don't even process it. Just another partisan hack who cares more about hating the other side than making this nation and this world a better place.

Too bad I was only able to succeed at debating politics.
I see your problem. You believe this is about Bush.

It isn't. He did not lie. You have proven nothing. And you continue to divert. I see that you agree the president was lying about his Benghazi Massacre. That looks like a win to me.
 
Re: Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help

Did you read my post? This was the first part: Late 2002: Hussein allows UN weapons inspectors into Iraq, followed by thorough documentation which showed there was no evidence to support the Bush administration's claims that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Not only can it be proven that the administration lied to us about their intelligence, Bush himself actually lied about what happened -- or you might call it "rewriting history." I am referring to this:

On July 14th, 2003, Bush said: “We gave him [Saddam Hussein] a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power.”

Do you see what I just did there? I proved he lied. Bush said Saddam wouldn't allow inspectors in, and Bush didn't say it one time, he said it over and over and over again. He lied. It's a fact. I have proven it.

And still you continue to divert.
 
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