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Obama’s Radical Past And his connection to socialism isn’t all ancient history

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On the afternoon of April 1, 1983, Barack Obama, then a senior at Columbia University, made his way into the Great Hall of Manhattan’s Cooper Union to attend a “Socialist Scholars Conference.” There Obama discovered his vocation as a community organizer, as well as a political program to guide him throughout his life.

A loose accusation of his being a socialist has trailed Obama for years, but without real evidence that he saw himself as part of this radical tradition. But the evidence exists, if not in plain sight then in the archives — for example, the archived files of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), which include Obama’s name on a conference registration list. That, along with some misleading admissions in the president’s memoir, Dreams from My Father, makes it clear that Obama attended the 1983 and 1984 Socialist Scholars conferences, and quite possibly the 1985 conclave as well. A detailed account of these conferences (along with many other events from Obama’s radical past) and the evidence for Obama’s attendance at them can be found in my new book, Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism.

The 1983 Cooper Union Conference, billed as a tribute to Marx, was precisely when Obama discovered his vocation for community organizing.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/249390/obama’s-radical-past-stanley-kurtz
Like we didn't know he was a socialist, but it's nice to dig up a little more of his background for there are still some "bitter clingers" who claim otherwise.

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Like we didn't know he was a socialist, but it's nice to dig up a little more of his background for there are still some "bitter clingers" who claim otherwise.

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who cares? i like his ideas, for the most part, and i don't care if he attended a conference in 1985.
 

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Like we didn't know he was a socialist, but it's nice to dig up a little more of his background for there are still some "bitter clingers" who claim otherwise.

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That is stretching someone stretching a mere few meetings. I went to a Bush rally and a McCain rally, yet I never voted for either. You going to dispute that because I must have agreed with them if I went to their rallies? Ron Paul went to the GOP conventions. Does that make him a closet Neoconservative?
 

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Obama's a Socialist! He's gonna kill your grandmother! He will install himself as a dictator as soon as he's elected! He's gonna take away our guns! Blah Blah Blah Blah.

Tired old arguments. How anyone can take the right seriously after their howling and screaming and shouting, after none of the above turned out to be true.
 

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Why do those who call Obama a radical have to be so radical about it, anyway?
 

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Personally to me it is a positive that Obama has an interest and understanding of socialism beyond the typical shallow McCarthyite understanding.
 

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Personally to me it is a positive that Obama has an interest and understanding of socialism beyond the typical shallow McCarthyite understanding.


Hey guys, He's Black - or close to it. He therefore must know more than you. This is Wine & Cheese Liberal 101 for Chrissake. Olberman hasn't given up on him.
 

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Hey guys, He's Black - or close to it. He therefore must know more than you. This is Wine & Cheese Liberal 101 for Chrissake. Olberman hasn't given up on him.

Uhmm okay....what in the world does that have to do with what I said though?
 

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That is stretching someone stretching a mere few meetings. I went to a Bush rally and a McCain rally, yet I never voted for either. You going to dispute that because I must have agreed with them if I went to their rallies? Ron Paul went to the GOP conventions. Does that make him a closet Neoconservative?
Given his virtually identical foreign policy to Bush I say he is.
 

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who cares? i like his ideas, for the most part, and i don't care if he attended a conference in 1985.
QFT. Its ultimately meaningless whether he is a socialist or not. What matters is what he is currently doing.

He is doing some things that I disagree with (mostly related to national security), but I agree with most of his actions.
 

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who cares? i like his ideas, for the most part, and i don't care if he attended a conference in 1985.
Some of his ideas are good. However you have to question how he has led the implementation of those ideas. An analogy in the corporate world. On paper acqusitions add value to the company doing the deal. Companies have their high powered execs and then call in expensive consultants review the deal to insure it will add value. After all of that 9 out of 10 deals prove to not add value.

So was insurance reform a good idea, most would say yes. Was the bill produced a good bill most would say no.

A good executive, which is Obama's job would only sign off if the end product was a good one. I think that is why there is a disconnect between the President's popularity and how people view the administration. Good ideas, lousy results.
 

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Like we didn't know he was a socialist, but it's nice to dig up a little more of his background for there are still some "bitter clingers" who claim otherwise.

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I say again, garbage in equals garbage out. I just wish there was some orginality to the silliness.
 

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I say again, garbage in equals garbage out. I just wish there was some orginality to the silliness.
Well for sure much of this criticism is not new the pertinent part in all of this is that now - FINALLY - after 4 years of adulation by some including most in the MSM this guy is FINALLY being seen with some objectivity.

Reality is that he was ill equipped to be POTUS to begin with . He was up against an old guy with questionable emotional stability who was saddled with an unpopular sitting President of his Party - an economy in a dangerous downward spiral - a rotten choice for VP and an alienated GOP base.

Obama also WON because the Nation HAD changed substantially in 30 years.

He won because both McCain & Romney focused very early on Hillary Clinton whom they both saw as the likely Democrat nominee. In short Obama because of a rejuvinated Left taking over and the base in Red states being heavily Black outpaced HRC. She could not fully attack him without blowing the General Election if she made it to the nomination, and HE knew it.

Obama was NEVER properly vetted by the MSM. A whole host of items were not looked into and the 3 older Networks were relegated to being Cheerleaders in his campaign , if not active participants. In short they dragged him across the line to allow him to be personable , and have the Key undecideds Break for him . To give him a Shot . To show the Nation had evolved from it's bigoted past.

It worked THEN - now the luster is off. BTW We still have not seen the REAL Obama. It's coming.
 
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Well for sure much of this criticism is not new the pertinent part in all of this is that now - FINALLY - after 4 years of adulation by some including most in the MSM this guy is FINALLY being seen with some objectivity.
Nonsense. This preversion is not what he REALLY is. Only the hyper partisan, the fanatic really buy this nonsense.
 

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It worked THEN - now the luster is off. BTW We still have not seen the REAL Obama. It's coming.
Can you please expand on this statement?
 

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Nonsense. This preversion is not what he REALLY is. Only the hyper partisan, the fanatic really buy this nonsense.
No - You are incorrect. In their Hearts the MSM still kind of buy it. Reality of course is coming thru and the see sort of how out of step he is in terms of any benefit to the Nation overall . They respect his Political instincts to the max. They just can't understand WHY the Nation is Moving away from him. I suspect it's more than the lousy economy.
 

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I am hoping it is something more substantial than something like that.
I just don't know what else they can say about it at this point. I mean we have heard the Marxism, socialism, communist, Kenyan, Muslim references. What more can people think he is hiding?
 

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Obviously it is his secret Muslim side.
No , He's about as much of a Muslim as YOU are an Independent .

Now IF and when Barry knows that a 2nd Term is out of the question , or if he loses in 2012 you just might see a not so personable 51 year old Street Guy resorting to a few things that might make some Beltway types choke on their Brie or Caviar
 

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No , He's about as much of a Muslim as YOU are an Independent .

Now IF and when Barry knows that a 2nd Term is out of the question , or if he loses in 2012 you just might see a not so personable 51 year old Street Guy resorting to a few things that might make some Beltway types choke on their Brie or Caviar
Such as...?
 

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No - You are incorrect. In their Hearts the MSM still kind of buy it. Reality of course is coming thru and the see sort of how out of step he is in terms of any benefit to the Nation overall . They respect his Political instincts to the max. They just can't understand WHY the Nation is Moving away from him. I suspect it's more than the lousy economy.
You can't call misrepresentations like yours reality. The bias is really on your part and not the MSM. NR has a POV, a bias, and their conclusions should be treated as such. Like them, who are playing to an audience who wants to believe, you take take msirepresentations and turn them into something they are nto to fir your bias. Sorry.
 

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Such as...?
I'm going to leave that to Your Imagination, and kindly Remember - he got like 98% of Whatever Black Vote there was in 2008. In2012 I doubt if it slip under 95% even if there is 20% Unemployment , Weimer type Inflation, Several Cabinet members indicted, and Jeremiah Wright appointed to the NSC.

Now , elaborate on that if you choose to.
 

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I'm going to leave that to Your Imagination, and kindly Remember - he got like 98% of Whatever Black Vote there was in 2008. In2012 I doubt if it slip under 95% even if there is 20% Unemployment , Weimer type Inflation, Several Cabinet members indicted, and Jeremiah Wright appointed to the NSC.

Now , elaborate on that if you choose to.
Well, since I don't really see a connection between those two things (black voting and lame duck status), I am going to rely on you to tell me what you are thinking. If I leave it up to my imagination, I got nuthin'
 
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