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Beware, all patriotic Americans who hold the Constitution sacred. Obama’s Department of Defense has labeled you an extremist and a hater; and with the help of the Southern Poverty Law Center they’re teaching military personnel how to identify you. The DOD warns that sheet-wearing KKK behavior has been replaced with “talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place”. The document, also, equates today’s Conservatives with Colonists fighting British oppression. No surprise, they categorize the 9/11 attack as a “historical event”.

Judicial Watch reports,


Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained educational materials from the Department of Defense (DOD) depicting conservative organizations as “hate groups” and advising students to be aware that “many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.” The documents repeatedly cite the leftwing Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a resource for identifying “hate groups.”

Judicial Watch obtained the documents in a response to a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) filed on April 8, 2013. The FOIA requested “Any and all records concerning, regarding, or related to the preparation and presentation of training materials on hate groups or hate crimes distributed or used by the Air Force.” Included in the 133 pages of lesson plans and PowerPoint slides provided by the Air Force is a January 2013 Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute “student guide” entitled “Extremism.” The document says that it is “for training purposes only” and “do not use on the job.”​

Highlights include:
•The document defines extremists as “a person who advocates the use of force or violence; advocates supremacist causes based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, or national origin; or otherwise engages to illegally deprive individuals or groups of their civil rights.”
• A statement that “Nowadays, instead of dressing in sheets or publically espousing hate messages, many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.”
• “[W]hile not all extremist groups are hate groups, all hate groups are extremist groups.”
• Under a section labeled “Extremist Ideologies” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”
• In this same section, the document lists the 9/11 attack under a category of “Historical events.”
• “[A]ctive participation…with regard to extremist organizations is incompatible with military service and, is therefore prohibited.” [Emphasis in original]
• The document details the “seven stages of hate” and sixteen “extremists’ traits.”
• The SPLC is listed as a resource for information on hate groups and referenced several times throughout the guide.
• Of the five organizations besides the SPLC listed as resources, one is an SPLC project (Teaching Tolerance) and one considers any politically or socially conservative movement to be a potential hate group (Political Research Associates).
• Other than a mention of 9/11 and the Sudan, there is no discussion of Islamic extremism.​

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Of course the Muslim Brotherhood is in good stead, but those Tea Party Terrorists OMG.
 

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by Andrea Ryan
August 23, 2013



Beware, all patriotic Americans who hold the Constitution sacred. Obama’s Department of Defense has labeled you an extremist and a hater; and with the help of the Southern Poverty Law Center they’re teaching military personnel how to identify you. The DOD warns that sheet-wearing KKK behavior has been replaced with “talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place”. The document, also, equates today’s Conservatives with Colonists fighting British oppression. No surprise, they categorize the 9/11 attack as a “historical event”.

Judicial Watch reports,


Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained educational materials from the Department of Defense (DOD) depicting conservative organizations as “hate groups” and advising students to be aware that “many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.” The documents repeatedly cite the leftwing Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a resource for identifying “hate groups.”

Judicial Watch obtained the documents in a response to a Freedom of Information Act request (FOIA) filed on April 8, 2013. The FOIA requested “Any and all records concerning, regarding, or related to the preparation and presentation of training materials on hate groups or hate crimes distributed or used by the Air Force.” Included in the 133 pages of lesson plans and PowerPoint slides provided by the Air Force is a January 2013 Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute “student guide” entitled “Extremism.” The document says that it is “for training purposes only” and “do not use on the job.”​

Highlights include:
•The document defines extremists as “a person who advocates the use of force or violence; advocates supremacist causes based on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, or national origin; or otherwise engages to illegally deprive individuals or groups of their civil rights.”
• A statement that “Nowadays, instead of dressing in sheets or publically espousing hate messages, many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.”
• “[W]hile not all extremist groups are hate groups, all hate groups are extremist groups.”
• Under a section labeled “Extremist Ideologies” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”
• In this same section, the document lists the 9/11 attack under a category of “Historical events.”
• “[A]ctive participation…with regard to extremist organizations is incompatible with military service and, is therefore prohibited.” [Emphasis in original]
• The document details the “seven stages of hate” and sixteen “extremists’ traits.”
• The SPLC is listed as a resource for information on hate groups and referenced several times throughout the guide.
• Of the five organizations besides the SPLC listed as resources, one is an SPLC project (Teaching Tolerance) and one considers any politically or socially conservative movement to be a potential hate group (Political Research Associates).
• Other than a mention of 9/11 and the Sudan, there is no discussion of Islamic extremism.​

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Of course the Muslim Brotherhood is in good stead, but those Tea Party Terrorists OMG.
And why would any American soldier, sailor, Marine or airman need to be indoctrinated in this socialist propaganda ?

It's no secret that the DoD has been politicized over the past four years during the Obama administration. But now they are politicizing the uniform branches of the military services.

What was Obama's directive ? To redefine the purpose and character of the U.S. military.
 

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There seems to be scuttlebutt going around that Obama is asking high ranking officers in our military that if ordered to, will they shoot Americans on U.S. soil? Those that answer in the negative are quickly retired. Looks like Gen. Dempsey is Obama's 'Yes Man'.
 

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There seems to be scuttlebutt going around that Obama is asking high ranking officers in our military that if ordered to, will they shoot Americans on U.S. soil? Those that answer in the negative are quickly retired. Looks like Gen. Dempsey is Obama's 'Yes Man'.



The best thing to do with scuttlebutt is to ignore it and discard it through the scuttle and that's what I'm going to do with this far right attempt to make our president look bad.
 

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There seems to be scuttlebutt going around that Obama is asking high ranking officers in our military that if ordered to, will they shoot Americans on U.S. soil? Those that answer in the negative are quickly retired. Looks like Gen. Dempsey is Obama's 'Yes Man'.
I've also heard that scuttlebutt more than a few times.

Gen. Dempsey and all of the other members of the Joint Chief of Staffs are typical yes men who are just punching the card so they can retire with full bennies at the highest rank possible.

I thought Gen. Amos (Commandant of the Marine Corps) had a pair but I noticed he also no longer has any cajones and has become a yes man.

During the past 4 1/2 years Obama has been removing from command, firing or forcing many Generals, field commanders, flag officers and naval ship, squadrons and base commanders from their commands if they weren't politically correct enough for Obama's liking and replacing them with yes men, not warriors.

He pretty much has the brass in place who he needs to continue his redefining the purpose of our military services and changing it's character. No time in America's military history has it seen so many changes made in our military in the past four years. Just not thnesocial engineering taking place that makes our military weaker but planes that don't fly, ships that can't put to sea and fight and where attending diversity training is more important than training for war. Just a few weeks ago in the name of political correctness Sec. of Def. Hagel said the most important job of the U.S. military is fighting sexual assaults, not our enemies.I suppose that's part of Obama's redefining the purpose of our military services.

I suppose after Obama's fired Gen. McCrystal, Obama realized how easy it was to fire warriors and replace them with those who just want to punch their time clock card and are nothing more than yes men.

If there's any time more in America's history where we need a Billy Mitchell, MacArthur, Patton, or a Merritt Edson, it's today.


Back to the scuttlebutt:

>" “I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”. Those who will not are being removed,” Garrow wrote on his Facebook page, later following up the post by adding the man who told him is, “one of America’s foremost military heroes,” whose goal in divulging the information was to “sound the alarm.”..."<
» Nobel Peace Prize Nominee: Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens” Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
 

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Seems like an unnecessary action considering that the police are already sufficiently militarized to quell any disturbance anybody might come up with. I'd say that one SWAT team could take out a few hundred rowdy citizens, no matter how well armed, you guys don't have APCs. Remember, these guys are in it to shoot Americans already.

So, I wonder if this is really true considering the lack of rationale for telling hundreds of high ranking officers that you want them to get into the mood of shooting Americans.

Source seems weak for “I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”.

Just wondering. What do you think?
 

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by Andrea Ryan August 23, 2013

Beware, all patriotic Americans who hold the Constitution sacred. Obama’s Department of Defense has labeled you an extremist and a hater; and with the help of the Southern Poverty Law Center they’re teaching military personnel how to identify you. The DOD warns that sheet-wearing KKK behavior has been replaced with “talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place”. The document, also, equates today’s Conservatives with Colonists fighting British oppression. No surprise, they categorize the 9/11 attack as a “historical event”......
Looks like the OP is the one equating the tea party with KKK.

Okay, so aside from white nation supramacy, what is the KKK espousing that might separate them from the tea party? I thought I'd take a look and see....

The Knight Party Platform....

: The Knights Party Platform

The Tea Party platform....

About Us - Tea Party

Official Tea Party USA web site - About Us


The KKK platform page talks about "state rights" and "individual freedom" whereas I didn't see any mention of that on the Tea Party mission page. I found that rather surprising, actually. From the op...

...A statement that “Nowadays, instead of dressing in sheets or publically espousing hate messages, many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.”
So, the statement from the DoD was correct in identifying the extremists, no?

Of course the Muslim Brotherhood is in good stead, but those Tea Party Terrorists OMG.
No, extremists are are not in good stead, no matter who they are or what they call themselves....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/sip-final.pdf
 
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There seems to be scuttlebutt going around that Obama is asking high ranking officers in our military that if ordered to, will they shoot Americans on U.S. soil? Those that answer in the negative are quickly retired. Looks like Gen. Dempsey is Obama's 'Yes Man'.
You didn't bother to read the links to the DoD educational material did you? The educational materials were an outline on how to identify and deal with extremists on base...ON BASE....whether they be white supramists, religious extremists...or masogynists. Hate is hate and bad for morale on a military base. I'm glad the DoD is trying to do something about it.
 
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Nothing new.

When Obomba was in office, there was a web site created to report people who said bad things about Obomba.

This administration has not regard for personal freedoms.

Thought police anyone?
 

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You didn't bother to read the links to the DoD educational material did you? The educational materials were an outline on how to identify and deal with extremists on base...ON BASE....whether they be white supramists, religious extremists...or masogynists. Hate is hate and bad for morale on a military base. I'm glad the DoD is trying to do something about it.
Like violance in the work place at Fort Hood or drag queens go wild on a military instalation ?
 

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Seems like an unnecessary action considering that the police are already sufficiently militarized to quell any disturbance anybody might come up with.
But most law enforcement are on Sheriff Arpaio's side who is on the side of the Constitution and upholding the oath of office he took. Obama has a problem with that.
 

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But most law enforcement are on Sheriff Arpaio's side who is on the side of the Constitution and upholding the oath of office he took. Obama has a problem with that.
So, the police will be shooting it out with the Military?

You really should take up writing Sci-Fi. I've read thousands and this is a novel concept.
 

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Like violance in the work place at Fort Hood or drag queens go wild on a military instalation ?
Hold on, you're comparing a drag show with the Fort Hood shooter? Really? :roll:
 

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Nothing new.

When Obomba was in office, there was a web site created to report people who said bad things about Obomba.

This administration has not regard for personal freedoms.

Thought police anyone?
Do you have a link to that website?


Btw, it's Obama...not Obomba and he's still in office.
 

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It can't happen here
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Everybody's clean and it can't happen here
No, no, it won't happen here
(No, no, it won't happen here)
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I'm telling you it can't happen here

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So, the police will be shooting it out with the Military?

You really should take up writing Sci-Fi. I've read thousands and this is a novel concept.
Obama has a serious problem with the U.S. military and Obama knows it.

The only President in history in modern times to order U.S. Marines to remove the bolts from their rifles while marching in a parade. Ordering U.S. Marines to violate Marine Corps regulation and carry umbrellas.

Removing warriors from their commands and replacing them with PC yes men.

Obama has the lowest approval rating as Cn'C by those serving in the military than any other President in history.

marine-corps-times-anti-obama-marines.jpg
 

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Do you have a link to that website?


Btw, it's Obama...not Obomba and he's still in office.
It was the White House website Moot, where were you ?
 

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hah the Generals took over in Egypt that definitely can't happen here but I can see Marines might mutiny before mowing down American civilians?
 

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Hold on, you're comparing a drag show with the Fort Hood shooter? Really? :roll:
Obama still stands by his words that the Islamist terrorist attack at Fort Hood wasn't a terrorist attack but just violence in the workplace.
 

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It was the White House website Moot, where were you ?
I looked on the WH website and didn't see anything like Lord of Planar claimed. So where is it?
 

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Obama still stands by his words that the Islamist terrorist attack at Fort Hood wasn't a terrorist attack but just violence in the workplace.
Well, it was the shooters workplace, wasn't it?
 

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I looked on the WH website and didn't see anything like Lord of Planar claimed. So where is it?
The Obama administration took it down when they were informed they broke the law.

Then the Obama administration said they destroyed all of the e-mails the libs sent snitching off their neighbors which was another federal violation of the law. The White House isn't allowed to destroy any e-mails. But Eric Holder gave Obama a complete pass on breaking the law.

This was back in 2009 when they used the White House website to ask Americans to snitch off any American who opposed Obama Care.

But the next time Obama came up with another snitch off an American, they didn't use their White House website.

Obama launches another snitch police squad
Michelle Malkin | Obama launches another snitch police squad «
They’re baaaaack. It’s another legion of Obama snitch police.

The Obama 2012 campaign has rolled out “Attack Watch”.

“Get the facts. Fight the smears.” And report all dissidents and enemies here.

The announcement was made earlier today on the official BarackObama Twitter account.



Twitter’s already having a ball with it: Just check out the #attackwatch hashtag.

If this all sounds familiar, it should.

Recall that during the Obamacare campaign in August 2009, the White House summoned Obama-bots to monitor blog postings and “casual conversations” of health care takeover opponents — and then report them to the president. The effort was led by health czar Nancy deParle and former ABC News correspondent Linda Douglass.


Who was behind the Obamacare Internet Snitch Brigade? Obama campaign operatives and former Soros-tied Center for American Progress progs then on the federal payroll. Reminder: "<
 

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Well, it was the shooters workplace, wasn't it?
Actually in todays PC Army, most of Fort Hood is a "GUN FREE ZONE." I #### you not.
 

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Do you have a link to that website?


Btw, it's Obama...not Obomba and he's still in office.
I meant to say when he first took office.

The link doesn't exists any more. It only lasted a few months starting January 2009. It was a whitehouse dot gov link.
 

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The Obama administration took it down when they were informed they broke the law.

Then the Obama administration said they destroyed all of the e-mails the libs sent snitching off their neighbors which was another federal violation of the law. The White House isn't allowed to destroy any e-mails. But Eric Holder gave Obama a complete pass on breaking the law.

This was back in 2009 when they used the White House website to ask Americans to snitch off any American who opposed Obama Care.

But the next time Obama came up with another snitch off an American, they didn't use their White House website.

Obama launches another snitch police squad
Michelle Malkin | Obama launches another snitch police squad «
They’re baaaaack. It’s another legion of Obama snitch police.

The Obama 2012 campaign has rolled out “Attack Watch”.

“Get the facts. Fight the smears.” And report all dissidents and enemies here.

The announcement was made earlier today on the official BarackObama Twitter account.



Twitter’s already having a ball with it: Just check out the #attackwatch hashtag.

If this all sounds familiar, it should.

Recall that during the Obamacare campaign in August 2009, the White House summoned Obama-bots to monitor blog postings and “casual conversations” of health care takeover opponents — and then report them to the president. The effort was led by health czar Nancy deParle and former ABC News correspondent Linda Douglass.


Who was behind the Obamacare Internet Snitch Brigade? Obama campaign operatives and former Soros-tied Center for American Progress progs then on the federal payroll. Reminder: "<
wowwww. I had no idea and if I did I guess I forgot. Hmmm.....vewy, vewy, interwestink.
 
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