Oath Keeper pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy as pressure intensifies against right-wing extremist group

[Plasmaball]

Oath Keeper pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy as pressure intensifies against right-wing extremist group

"We must win. We must defeat these radicals" Ulrich wrote in one text, "there's treason at work here. When someone committed treason it used to mean something. you used to pay with your life!"

www.cnn.com

I remember a time where the right wingers where asking why nobody was charged with this as evidence nothing bad happened.

We've now had two plead guilty and I know I know you are gonna claim lone wolf where you try to argue its only two people out of 700 people.

But then I was also told there was no planning involved and we all know that is a lie.

 

[Napoleon]

Oath Keeper pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy as pressure intensifies against right-wing extremist group

"We must win. We must defeat these radicals" Ulrich wrote in one text, "there's treason at work here. When someone committed treason it used to mean something. you used to pay with your life!"

www.cnn.com

I remember a time where the right wingers where asking why nobody was charged with this as evidence nothing bad happened.

We've now had two plead guilty and I know I know you are gonna claim lone wolf where you try to argue its only two people out of 700 people.

But then I was also told there was no planning involved and we all know that is a lie.

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

 

[Indlib]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

You poor thing.

 

[RAMOSS]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

WHich , then makes it a totally nonsense question, since seditious conspiracy is to all intents and purposes insurrection,

This is the legal definition of sedgatious conspiracy

Under 18 U.S.C. § 2384, “seditious conspiracy” occurs when two or more persons:

conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

 

[Napoleon]

WHich , then makes it a totally nonsense question, since seditious conspiracy is to all intents and purposes insurrection,

This is the legal definition of sedgatious conspiracy

Under 18 U.S.C. § 2384, “seditious conspiracy” occurs when two or more persons:

conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

Not at all. Insurrection has its own statute.

 

[RAMOSS]

Not at all. Insurrection has its own statute.

Yes, it's it's own statue, but the only difference is one actually got weapons out , and the other didn't quite get to that point. In the case of the two oath keepers, they had weapons available they brought , but didn't have them during the riot. They didn't seem to have gotten the opportunity to go back and raid the cache of weapons.

 

[Phys251]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

Three minutes in and we get a Black Lives Matter whataboutism.

Bet you think the insurrection was just a kegger.

 

[lurchadams]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

Oh, my gosh.

 

[Credence]

Oath Keeper pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy as pressure intensifies against right-wing extremist group

"We must win. We must defeat these radicals" Ulrich wrote in one text, "there's treason at work here. When someone committed treason it used to mean something. you used to pay with your life!"

www.cnn.com

I remember a time where the right wingers where asking why nobody was charged with this as evidence nothing bad happened.

We've now had two plead guilty and I know I know you are gonna claim lone wolf where you try to argue its only two people out of 700 people.

But then I was also told there was no planning involved and we all know that is a lie.

I have been keeping a running list here:

Criminal Charges / Prosecutions January 6 and Investigations

debatepolitics.com

 

[Napoleon]

Yes, it's it's own statue, but the only difference is one actually got weapons out , and the other didn't quite get to that point. In the case of the two oath keepers, they had weapons available they brought , but didn't have them during the riot. They didn't seem to have gotten the opportunity to go back and raid the cache of weapons.

Has nothing to do with weapons. The difference between the two statutes is conspiring to do something and actually doing it. Here are the statutes in question:

§2383. Rebellion or insurrection​

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

§2384. Seditious conspiracy​

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

The DOJ charged 11 people under 2384 and 0 people under 2383. What are your thoughts on why that is? Why hasn’t the DOJ taken the legal position that what happened on January 6th, 2021 was an insurrection?

 

[Lutherf]

WHich , then makes it a totally nonsense question, since seditious conspiracy is to all intents and purposes insurrection,

This is the legal definition of sedgatious conspiracy

Under 18 U.S.C. § 2384, “seditious conspiracy” occurs when two or more persons:

conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

Right. You do understand that under that statute a couple that conspired to steal a roll of toilet paper from a national park outhouse could be prosecuted for seditious conspiracy, right?

 

[Phys251]

Right. You do understand that under that statute a couple that conspired to steal a roll of toilet paper from a national park outhouse could be prosecuted for seditious conspiracy, right?

Wouldn't they be prosecuted instead for having a kegger?

 

[RAMOSS]

Right. You do understand that under that statute a couple that conspired to steal a roll of toilet paper from a national park outhouse could be prosecuted for seditious conspiracy, right?

I am sure that the lawyers disagree.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

Your brainwashing is showing.

 

[Plasmaball]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

It's like you guys try your hardest to bore me.

 

[ecofarm]

Antifa/BLM

lol

So racist.

 

[Plasmaball]

Right. You do understand that under that statute a couple that conspired to steal a roll of toilet paper from a national park outhouse could be prosecuted for seditious conspiracy, right?

Lol no..stop wasting our time with this stupidity..

 

[Lutherf]

Lol no..stop wasting our time with this stupidity..

In what way does conspiring to steal a roll of toilet paper from a national park outhouse NOT meet the statutory definition of seditious conspiracy?

 

[Plasmaball]

In what way does conspiring to steal a roll of toilet paper from a national park outhouse NOT meet the statutory definition of seditious conspiracy?

It's ****ing stupid. I'm not engaging this as a legit question. Instead I'm gonna laugh at you because you are trying to be serious

 

[RAMOSS]

In what way does conspiring to steal a roll of toilet paper from a national park outhouse NOT meet the statutory definition of seditious conspiracy?

for one, it's not trying to over throw the government.

 

[Credence]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

Simple​

Q1: What is “sedition” and “insurrection”?

A1: Generally, sedition is conduct or speech that incites individuals to violently rebel against the authority of the government. Insurrection includes the actual acts of violence and rebellion.

Understanding Insurrection and Sedition

CSIS security experts define acts of sedition and insurrection and evaluate the seriousness of both charges.

www.csis.org

 

[iguanaman]

They asked why no one has been charged with insurrection and no one has been. Do you think the fact that a couple of Antifa/BLM people were snatched as part of this translates to what the entire event was?

You are wrong there were no Antifa/BLM people "snatched". That was always a lie. Why are right wingers so gullible?

Fact check: Men who stormed Capitol identified by Reuters are not undercover Antifa as posts claim​

Social media users have been sharing content online that suggests those who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 were Antifa, not Trump supporters. Many have been using compilations of pictures as purported evidence, but examination of these images shows they do not support this claim. Meanwhile, the FBI has said there is “no indication at this time” that Antifa had played a role in the mob that stormed the Capitol.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ndercover-antifa-as-posts-claim-idUSKBN29E0QO

 

[Lutherf]

for one, it's not trying to over throw the government.

Does the statute require that for the charge to apply?

 

[Lutherf]

It's ****ing stupid. I'm not engaging this as a legit question. Instead I'm gonna laugh at you because you are trying to be serious

The statute CLEARLY allows for charges in the scenario I posed.

 

[ecofarm]

Does the statute require that for the charge to apply?

It's always claims of ignorance from the "kegger" crowd. Then dumbass what-ifs.