NPR forced to issue apology to Trump Jr.

[NeverTrump]

So now you insinuate another falsehood... No surprise at all coming from you.

I read, I don't search for my own name because frankly the opinion about me from people like yourself are of no importance... Unless of course they are supported with falsehoods by obsessed, weak-minder people who are consumed by hatred... Then I feel pointing them out becomes more of a public service.

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The funny thing is. You haven't even pointed out the lie.

 

[foolardi]

Here was the original NPR report:

https://web.archive.org/web/2018113...nflicts-with-cohen-s-account-of-russian-talks

Here is what they did after it was found incorrect:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38923/npr-tries-fails-prove-donald-trump-jr-lied-senate-ashe-schow

So, there was no retraction, the story was simply modified. They changed the title from "“Trump Jr.'s 2017 Testimony Conflicts With Cohen's Account Of Russian Talks” to the new title; “Cohen's Account Of Russia Talks Raises Questions About Trump Jr. 2017 Testimony."

This is a problem with much of the news. They post something, make a mistake, and instead of honestly apologizing and retracting what do they do? They make a statement "correcting it" leaving a story in place acting like there still was a "breaking story" in the first place. Meanwhile people have already gone on a Twitter/Facebook/etc. (even in this Forum) storm of "GOTCHA!" and will continue to roll with it until someone bothers to point the correction out.

The fact that this IS a "trusted source" is what makes it worse that they don't broadcast a correction as loudly as they originally reported the wrong story AND retract the story where there was no story.

The damage was done, and no real effort to undo it.

The MSM in league with the AP have been Beta Testing all the time.One especially
bellwether used was the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident.
Right off the bat the lying and faked accounts added up quick.Like how Zimmerman
was determined to be a White Hispanic.And that ALL "Little Trayvon " who stood 6'2"
had tattoos and gold teeth was doing was going home with his Skittles and Iced Tea.
WRONG.Trayvon and also his Father didn't live in that Gated Community.His Father { former
member of a Gang } was shacking up with his Girlfriend who lived at the Gated Community.
That Fact was never reported.It was totally suppressed.Plus the fact that " Little Trayvon "
was 200 miles away in Sanford,Fla. when his school was in Miami.This shooting happened on
a Sunday night.Trayvon was In Sanford,visiting his Father because he did not have school.
the following Monday.He has Been suspended from School.
It wasn't learned until weeks later that in point of fact," Little Trayvon " has been suspended
before.This was his 3rd suspension.He was also being Investigated for a school robbery.He was
caught with numerous girls rings in his Backpack.Along with some weed apparatus.
This guy was definatlely No Saint.Or model student.Much was made out of his interests
in becoming some kind of Engineer.
I read his Tweets which were up for about 24 hrs.They got Taken done and were deemed
unlawful to post.By Eric Holder's Justice Dept.Which also had No problem with The New
Black Panthers publically offering a Bounty { $ 10,000 } for the whereabouts of George
Zimmerman,who was left with no option but to go into hiding.
Then Spike Lee to the rescue.Outting where Zimmerman probably was.At his Parents address.
The entire MSM and AP were On the Side { ridiculously of Trayvon Martin } Probably because
Obama sent out his coded bat signals.To make sure and support ALL things Trayvon Martin.
Definitely a Beta test.With obvious Obama's tactics like " Critical Race Theory " which he
learned form his Harvard mentor { Derrick Bell }.Who also ended up dead.Like Both Obama's
parents.

 

[Waddy]

What do you consider 'fake news'? An immediately-corrected mistake? You guys don't even know what that term means.
'Fake news'. Thats what your serial liar calls any source that's critical of his lies. There isn't a 'fake news' source anywhere that's less reliable than the President of the United States.

The story was fake. When they vetted the story they knew that but published anyway. When they got called on it they issue a retraction. Ethical journalists would have refused to run a fake story.

 

[Chomsky]

Isn't that the thing Fox News and the Captain was originally complaining about NPR doing???

Actually, yes.

Thread status: 'FAIL'

 

[Chomsky]

The story was fake. When they vetted the story they knew that but published anyway. When they got called on it they issue a retraction. Ethical journalists would have refused to run a fake story.

You have evidence of the bolded?

 

[JoanDavis]

Has trump tweeted what a great victory this was for his son and himself yet? And I am sure he will rant on about 'fake news' and a trumpster will send a pipe bomb to NPR.

 

[marke]

NPR made the correction that same day as a proper and respected news outlet is supposed to do.

Remember that this is a big deal because it happens so rarely and we all know NPR is a credible news source. Nobody is surprised when Fox News doesn't retract its stories because everybody knows it's fake news and a propaganda mouthpiece for the White House.

Here was NPR's editor's note:

Editor's note: An earlier version of this report mischaracterized an answer Donald Trump Jr. gave to Senate investigators in 2017 about the prospective projects his family was negotiating with people in Moscow.

The story reported that Trump Jr.'s response — that negotiations on one project concluded by the end of 2014 — contrasted with the version of events as laid out in the guilty plea by Michael Cohen on Thursday. In fact, Trump Jr. and investigators were alluding to a different set of negotiations — not to a deal that Cohen was reportedly pursuing. Trump Jr. did acknowledge in his testimony that Cohen and another man were exploring a possible deal in Moscow in 2015 or 2016.

Trump Jr. did not address what Cohen has now admitted — that talks about such a deal continued at least into June 2016, longer than previously known and well into the presidential campaign.

MSM makes more mistakes than you seem to be aware of. That may be because of the low level of intelligence being graduated from secular universities in modern times, dumbing down the pools of prospective reporters.

 

[Grand Mal]

The story was fake. When they vetted the story they knew that but published anyway. When they got called on it they issue a retraction. Ethical journalists would have refused to run a fake story.

That's not at all what the Fox report says. From the Fox story...
"But critics claimed that NPR rushed the story,"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/np...f-being-in-legal-jeopardy-for-lying-to-senate

Seems you might be guilty of 'fake news'. Unless you have another source, one more reliable than Fox.

 

[Grand Mal]

MSM makes more mistakes than you seem to be aware of. That may be because of the low level of intelligence being graduated from secular universities in modern times, dumbing down the pools of prospective reporters.

Are there more intelligent people graduating from parochial schools?

 

[JoanDavis]

The story was fake. When they vetted the story they knew that but published anyway. When they got called on it they issue a retraction. Ethical journalists would have refused to run a fake story.

Unethical journalists like the ones at Fox News are always running fake news stories. Remind me again how they pushed that birther nonsense for over 8 years? And I don't think they ever apologised for this FAKE NEWS.

 

[marke]

Are there more intelligent people graduating from parochial schools?

Actually, intelligence and understanding are not the same. What I should say is that kids brainwashed by secular propaganda in US schools are turning out ignorant, not wise.

 

[Grand Mal]

Actually, intelligence and understanding are not the same. What I should say is that kids brainwashed by secular propaganda in US schools are turning out ignorant, not wise.

Uh, are you saying that parochial schools are an alternative to brainwashing?

 

[Phys251]

NPR forced to issue apology to Trump Jr. Fox News Published on Dec 1, 2018

Turns out Trump Jr. did not lie during testimony alleged to contradict Cohen's testimony about the Trump building project.

NPR rushed a story without verification of the facts, and the MSM ran with it.

Trump Jr. was talking about a different issue in his testimony, and said nothing to contradict (or support) the issue raised by Cohen's testimony.

Bravo, you found the speck in NPR's eye.

:bravo:

Now when will you acknowledge the plank in Fox "News"'s eyes?

 

[Barnacle]

The OP. Are you saying Fox is lying?

Of course they were lying - they're part of the MSM ... and you run with their lie. (grin)

 

[MTAtech]

Good, reliable, reputable news outlets verify facts before they rush to publish.

The next thing that you'd tell us is that a good, reliable, reputable spouse never rushes to judgment or misinterprets what you say, but lots of good, reliable, reputable spouses will do that OCCASIONALLY -- just like good, reliable, reputable news outlets OCCASIONALLY make mistakes.

The right-wing is hungry to condemn reputable media as fake news and use occasional mistakes as "evidence" to confirm their pre-decided belief.

 

[NeverTrump]

The next thing that you'd tell us is that a good, reliable, reputable spouse never rushes to judgment or misinterprets what you say, but lots of good, reliable, reputable spouses will do that OCCASIONALLY -- just like good, reliable, reputable news outlets OCCASIONALLY make mistakes.

The right-wing is hungry to condemn reputable media as fake news and use occasional mistakes as "evidence" to confirm their pre-decided belief.

Yep, this will be added to the list of so-called list of liberal media bias that lives rent free in their heads. But don't ask them to produce said list. It's secret...

 

[eohrnberger]

Here was the original NPR report:

https://web.archive.org/web/2018113...nflicts-with-cohen-s-account-of-russian-talks

Here is what they did after it was found incorrect:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38923/npr-tries-fails-prove-donald-trump-jr-lied-senate-ashe-schow

So, there was no retraction, the story was simply modified. They changed the title from "“Trump Jr.'s 2017 Testimony Conflicts With Cohen's Account Of Russian Talks” to the new title; “Cohen's Account Of Russia Talks Raises Questions About Trump Jr. 2017 Testimony."

This is a problem with much of the news. They post something, make a mistake, and instead of honestly apologizing and retracting what do they do? They make a statement "correcting it" leaving a story in place acting like there still was a "breaking story" in the first place. Meanwhile people have already gone on a Twitter/Facebook/etc. (even in this Forum) storm of "GOTCHA!" and will continue to roll with it until someone bothers to point the correction out.

The fact that this IS a "trusted source" is what makes it worse that they don't broadcast a correction as loudly as they originally reported the wrong story AND retract the story where there was no story.

The damage was done, and no real effort to undo it.

Publishing an inaccurate, accusatory story always generates the desired page hits and ratings, and is also, unfortunately, taken for truth.
The later retraction / correction never does gain the same level of penetration of the electorate's consciousness nor re-broadcasting / Tweeting / posting,etc.
It almost seems as if this is being done in some purposeful manner.

This silent revisionism, that you ar drawing light to, has also been becoming ever more prevalent in the 'news' media.

 

[Taylor]

The next thing that you'd tell us is that a good, reliable, reputable spouse never rushes to judgment or misinterprets what you say, but lots of good, reliable, reputable spouses will do that OCCASIONALLY

So what you're saying is the news outlets you deem to be "good, reliable and reputable" are really not that reliable.

 

[Taylor]

The best news outlets make mistakes and they makes corrections as soon as possible.

The best news outlets "make corrections" to the staff responsible for any bad, unreliable, irreputable news stories that get printed.

Ask Brian Ross about this.

 

[Kobie]

The more of this thread I read, the more I realize that virtually nobody here understands how news organizations actually operate.

 

[Kobie]

Publishing an inaccurate, accusatory story always generates the desired page hits and ratings, and is also, unfortunately, taken for truth.
The later retraction / correction never does gain the same level of penetration of the electorate's consciousness nor re-broadcasting / Tweeting / posting,etc.
It almost seems as if this is being done in some purposeful manner.

This silent revisionism, that you ar drawing light to, has also been becoming ever more prevalent in the 'news' media.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Saladin4]

I hate don jr's guts.....Who cares about any apology?...I keep hoping donnie little man gets stomped by a rhino on his next shooting safari

 

[MTAtech]

The next thing that you'd tell us is that a good, reliable, reputable spouse never rushes to judgment or misinterprets what you say, but lots of good, reliable, reputable spouses will do that OCCASIONALLY

So what you're saying is the news outlets you deem to be "good, reliable and reputable" are really not that reliable.

If that's your response to my post you are either a shill being dishonest or have no idea what I wrote.

In the event you are the last one, humans are not flawless and therefore make mistakes. That goes for doctors, lawyers, juries and yes, journalists. What to look for is frequency and if when a mistake is made, do they correct it. There is no question that NPR did everything possible.

 

[marke]

Uh, are you saying that parochial schools are an alternative to brainwashing?

It depends on the philosophy. If the school teaches humanism instead of godly truth then it is teaching lying propaganda no matter what kind of school it is.

 

[Captain Adverse]

What do you consider 'fake news'? An immediately-corrected mistake? You guys don't even know what that term means.

...when a reputable outlet corrects a story a day or two later that's somehow 'proof' they're peddling fake news. No they are maintaining journalistic standards.

This was almost immediately corrected, why are you still posting about this? Let me guess.

Good that they corrected themselves like real journalists do.

False. They did not correct themselves, they simply changed the article pointing out an "error" but sticking with a story that no longer had any reasonable basis tying Trump Jr.'s testimony to Cohen's, just editted with a slightly different slant.

The more of this thread I read, the more I realize that virtually nobody here understands how news organizations actually operate.

Yes, that is pretty standard journalism. Blare out something false on page one, then hide a correction on page fifty three. (Or as in this case simply modify the title, and re-write some text still giving the impression Trump Jr. did something wrong.) :roll:

...In the event you are the last one, humans are not flawless and therefore make mistakes. That goes for doctors, lawyers, juries and yes, journalists. What to look for is frequency and if when a mistake is made, do they correct it. There is no question that NPR did everything possible.

WRONG!

"Everything possible" would have been a banner headline declaring that the Media Organization (in this case NPR) made a mistake. The article would then describe in accurate detail what was wrong, how it occurred, what steps they took to discipline the reporter, and profusely apologize to the victim of the inaccurate report. Finally, they would PULL THE INACCURRATE ARTICLE replacing it with this retraction article.

THAT would be "everything possible" to correct. :coffeepap: