Now What !!

[Captain America]

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Blast-off!

:2wave:

 

[MSgt]

Western Civilization comes from Islamic civilization. Their wouldn't be a Western Civilization if their wasn't an Islamic civilization. Islamic civilization granted more rights to women than the West did about a thousand years beforehand. You look at the scientific discoveries or mathematical discoveries of Islamic civilization, we wouldn't have the space shuttle today. I don't appreciate some of the racist remarks made about Islam and I don't appreciate Tashah slandering Islam either. If she slander Islam, then slander Tashah. So far as I am concerned Kelzie, both you and Tashah can kiss my ***.

MOTT, you just screwed up. I can't stand ignorance and the simplicity used to employ it.

The above 3 emboldened sentences in your post are fact, but it is a very stupid thing to say. This would be the same thing as saying that we shouldn't discuss the barbarities of cavemen, because if it wasn't for their wheel invention, we wouldn't have cars. See what I mean? ....stupid. You completely dismiss the fact that there was a point in history where the Middle East stopped progressing and stagnated as the rest of the world continued on. In one of the many ironies of history, two great religions have swapped places over the last half millenium, with Christianity breaking free of medieval intellectual and social repression, while the once-effervescent world of Islam has embraced the comforts of shackles and ignorance. Today, at least, the Judeo-Christian world faces forward, while the Islamic world looks backward with longing and wallows in comforting myths. This would be the subject of discussion when typing about present day Islam. It is entirely useless to talk of the glory of Cyrus the Great (an individual you problaby know very little, if anything, about), talk about the world's first known real super power (The Muslim Persian empire that freed the Jews in Babylon and gave Israel back to them - I doubt you know anything about this as well), or the great mathematical skills of anchient Arabs when staring at the present day Muslim world. Like so many ignorant people out there who are restrained by the notion of ""PC" above all," have failed to recognize that women in the Islamic world are treated as property of men, not their equals. You may complain all day that Islam treats their women with equality, but you would be dead wrong. The teachings of true Islam holds women as equals, howevr, we are not discussing true Islam are we? We are discussing the real perversion of Islam in the Middle East and beyond. "PeacefulMuslim" is attempting to defend something that is not under attack. All people in every religion feel the need to defend their religion, whenever its share of threats to its philosophical and practical integrity is apparent. One of the many problems with Islam is that the Muslim world is in conflict with what true Islam is. This is their fight, and so far they haven't lifted a finger and the ignorant outsiders around the globe, who know no better, are stepping right in line with them.

Here is a reference of their stagnation and their inability to compete with the rest of the world on any front.......can any Arab or Persian country produce a a car? This question pretty much say's it all. How much weight does your trite statement about space shuttles and Islamic mathematics carry now?

Why don't you discover the violent world and recognize a very common thread amongst warring countries and local ethinic cleansings? The vast majority are Muslim or involve Muslims. Why don't you ask "PeacefulMuslim" why the "peaceful" Muslims are over eager to protest a non-consequential cartoon in "defense of their religion," but not lift a finger to protest the acts of their Radical element that is destroying their religion? Their Radical element even kills fellow Muslims - how many protests marches and riots have been focused against Bin Laden or Zarqawi? How many marches have their been to protest the Iranian government and their financing of Palestinian suicide bombers that continue the conflict? How many Muslims line the streets in protest whenever their terrorists, the true blaspemers of Islam, destroy the innocent in the name of their religion? Who's to say who hates who more - Israeli/Palestinian? However, we can easily see who has been in defense of their people since 1949 can't we? We can easily see who has had to retaliate after and before impending aggression can't we?

There is nothing racist about stating the facts of reality. Those of us who are unafraid to point out the religious conflict within Islam are more enlightened. Those of you who are clinging on to the "Clinton-esque" PC vomit of restraint, will remain ignorant. So far, when I respond to your rediculous attempts to be intelligent with a well thought out post of history and reality, you shy from replying back. If this is the case for me, I know you are completely useless against "Tashah." She knows a great deal about the Middle East and definately more about Islam than I. I know enough to paint the general picture. She is more specific.

 

[DivineComedy]

when i asked you how much do you know about Islam cuz your post:



shows that you don't know that Islam stated punishments for every crime against humanity.. didn't you read the versus in Quran stating such rules?Islam taught us everything Tashash and when i say everything it is literal we see it as a way of life.

but since you are asking this question, aren't there punishments in judaism too??

as for your question, I know what i need to know about both religions and we have been living with christians since forever but i don't believe there are jews around here ..

Tashah the conflict is not between Palestine and the Jews, it is actually between Israel and Palestine and there is a difference.

Three strikes and YOU are out, and those are the rules of the game.

“Peaceful” Muslim you claim that one of us does not know Islam because Islam has “stated punishments for every crime against humanity,” and you say “when i say everything it is literal we see it as a way of life,” and yet I see hypocrisy in your responses.

More than two decades ago after reading the Arabian Nights I read a book by a Muslim that was in our local library, and in that book the Muslim said that hypocrisy was the most hated of G-d, and I thought what he said made perfect sense.

The problem is that when I am seeking knowledge the Muslims that cannot explain a thing vaporize into the ether, like on August 31, 2001, at 11:22 PM, “i will write more tomorrow when i have a better chance to read your post in it's entirity. Muslim.” Or, they evade and lie.

We have some idea of what you are required to do even for someone that is not a believer:

“009.006
YUSUFALI: If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
PICKTHAL: And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
SHAKIR: And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.” http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html

You agreed with one in this topic that claimed Americans are brainwashed, and you claim the “the conflict is not between Palestine and the Jews, it is actually between Israel and Palestine and there is a difference,” and yet the so-called “Palestinians” elected Hamas:

“The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).” (The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas))
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

“Peaceful” Muslim why should I believe you?

My civilian clothes are my promise that I can be entrusted not to explode as a method of warfare. Nothing you have told me about Hamas gives me any confidence that you can be entrusted. Are you trying to prove to me that you are a hypocrite?

“The signs of a hypocrite are three: Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie; and whenever he promises, he breaks his promise; and whenever he is entrusted, he betrays (proves to be dishonest).”
http://www.islamonline.net/english/discover/discover3.shtml

I would expect a hypocrite to make me repeat for a fourth time, and ask for an answer for a fourth time:

Since “Muslims are against hurting civilians in any way,“ and since you “believe that 9/11 served the people who want Islam to look bad and justify the war against it,“ and since the 9/11 attackers wore civilian disguise, consequently, the use of civilian disguise in warfare serves the people who want civilians “to look bad and justify the war against it,” therefore, those people that use civilian disguise in warfare are the enemies of Islam.

“Peaceful” Muslim, in your opinion, is that a valid argument?

 

[ManOfTrueTruthII]

[Moderator Mode]

ManOfTrueTruth,

I have made it clear that this manner of debate will cease & desist or actions will be taken...You have chose to turn a blind eye...

Thus, you have been given a three day vacation...

If/When you choose to return, be advised that this style of personal abuse towards anyone, let alone Moderators, will not be tolerated.

If you have a problem, take it to personal messages or the Basement with this form of attack and keep it off of the public forums...

[/Moderator Mode]

I am back cnredd, Like I said you and your criminal bully moderators need to understand the language of decency but you do not understand that language at all.

 

[ManOfTrueTruthII]

Since your moderators do not understand how to follow the rules themselves then I will continue to be disruption and challenge you every step of the way at every opportunity. I will not follow the rules myself and I will break every rule until your moderators follow the rules and show respect for others.

 

[cnredd]

I am back cnredd, Like I said you and your criminal bully moderators need to understand the language of decency but you do not understand that language at all.

[Moderator Mode]

tsk,tsk,tsk...shame...If only you'd read the Forum Rules...

12. Multiple accounts - Multiple accounts of the same user will not be tolerated and you will be banned.**
**If you are having issues with your account, please contact us by using this form before creating another.

Could've waited three days and all would've been fine...Now you're just "gone" period...

[/Moderator Mode]

 

[MSgt]

Since your moderators do not understand how to follow the rules themselves then I will continue to be disruption and challenge you every step of the way at every opportunity. I will not follow the rules myself and I will break every rule until your moderators follow the rules and show respect for others.

Bwahahaha. What a tool. I wonder how embarrassed he feels right now? Is it against the rules to talk down to morons after they have been banned for good?

 

[teacher]

Bwahahaha. What a tool. I wonder how embarrassed he feels right now? Is it against the rules to talk down to morons after they have been banned for good?

Let's test that theory. MOTT, you suck you wanker. I bet the jerk tries to get back in again. How stupid do you have to be? I bet he thought he was feeling very clever when he reregistered. I almost died when I saw MOTT II. Oh mighty mods, please let him back in and given access to only one thread in the basement where we can abuse him, point, jeer, mock, laugh, throw rocks then run away while his wails and gnashes his teeth and pummels himself against the walls of his basement cell. I'm sorry, did I type that out loud? I missed the fun. I just got here. I'm so sad. I need to cheer myself up...

I get the feeling cnredd really, really enjoyed that.

 

[MSgt]

Let's test that theory. MOTT, you suck you wanker. I bet the jerk tries to get back in again. How stupid do you have to be? I bet he thought he was feeling very clever when he reregistered. I almost died when I saw MOTT II. Oh mighty mods, please let him back in and given access to only one thread in the basement where we can abuse him, point, jeer, mock, laugh, throw rocks then run away while his wails and gnashes his teeth and pummels himself against the walls of his basement cell. I'm sorry, did I type that out loud? I missed the fun. I just got here. I'm so sad. I need to cheer myself up...

I get the feeling cnredd really, really enjoyed that.

Get him...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?p=265327#post265327

 

[CnreddIsAJackAss]

Cnredd, teacher, gunny and Kelzie, **** YOU and blow me.

 

[DivineComedy]

[Moderator Mode]

tsk,tsk,tsk...shame...If only you'd read the Forum Rules...



Could've waited three days and all would've been fine...Now you're just "gone" period...

[/Moderator Mode]

Do you think we can get back to the first topic of “Now What…do we need to blow things up?”
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=228510&postcount=1

We need to figure out what uniforms “israilians” wear because they “wrote insulting comments about prophet muhammad on the walls of Mosque in Qalqilia..!!!” And if the criminals were not in uniform, we need to debate all of the things that have to do with the use of civilian disguise to blow things up and to write “insulting comments about prophet muhammad on the walls of Mosque in Qalqilia.” Before someone innocent gets blamed or blown up. OKAY?

*****

Some of you people go get a room and make babies. And although the reason why Cherokees are called “Indians” has something to do with Islam, it is just a little bit off topic even for a Marine that sings about Barbary Pirates.

 

[CnreddIsAJackAss]

Do you think we can get back to the first topic of “Now What…do we need to blow things up?”
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpost.php?p=228510&postcount=1

We need to figure you what uniforms “israilians” wear because they “wrote insulting comments about prophet muhammad on the walls of Mosque in Qalqilia..!!!” And if the criminals were not in uniform, we need to debate all of the things that have to do with the use of civilian disguise to blow things up and to write “insulting comments about prophet muhammad on the walls of Mosque in Qalqilia.” Before someone innocent gets blamed or blown up. OKAY?

*****

Some of you people go get a room and make babies. And although the reason why Cherokees are called “Indians” has something to do with Islam, it is just a little bit off topic even for a Marine that sings about Barbary Pirates.

Hey, this discussion isn't over with, this is the same guy that Cnredd tried to ban.

 

[MSgt]

Cnredd, teacher, gunny and Kelzie, **** YOU and blow me.

Poor fella. Got caught lying about being a soldier and then continued to get embarrassed by more enlightened posters. Now he spends his insignificant time acting as an Internet terrorist. ...some people's kids.

 

[Peaceful Muslim]

hi Kelzie

i am afraid i am gonna have to take ManOfTrueTruth side in this . many other members in this discussion have insulted and name called each other which is why i ignored answering them cuz we should all be civil we do have different beliefs but we are here to discuss & defend them not to enforce them on each other.

 

[Kelzie]

hi Kelzie

i am afraid i am gonna have to take ManOfTrueTruth side in this . many other members in this discussion have insulted and name called each other which is why i ignored answering them cuz we should all be civil we do have different beliefs but we are here to discuss & defend them not to enforce them on each other.

Side with him in what? Being rude, disruptive, and breaking forum rules? I'm sorry if you feel this way. I can promise you that Tashah has called nobody names and didn't deserve the attack. Which is why I defended her. If someone has been calling you names, please report the post.

 

[Peaceful Muslim]

Three strikes and YOU are out, and those are the rules of the game.

"Peaceful” Muslim you claim that one of us does not know Islam because Islam has “stated punishments for every crime against humanity,” and you say “when i say everything it is literal we see it as a way of life,” and yet I see hypocrisy in your responses.

Didn't i tell you you guys choose to read what you wanna read.. if you actually read Tashash's post you will get my point in that argument.Tashash said that she knows a lot about Islam and she read Quran and she communicated with a lot of Muslim here and there and yet she doesn't know that there are stated punishments for crimes against humanity.

More than two decades ago after reading the Arabian Nights I read a book by a Muslim that was in our local library, and in that book the Muslim said that hypocrisy was the most hated of G-d, and I thought what he said made perfect sense.

You agreed with one in this topic that claimed Americans are brainwashed, and you claim the “the conflict is not between Palestine and the Jews, it is actually between Israel and Palestine and there is a difference,” and yet the so-called “Palestinians” elected Hamas:

“The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).” (The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas))
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

“Peaceful” Muslim why should I believe you?

To us some jews were behind the idea of Israel so its not all jews because there are some jews who believe in that statement my friend. we don't know who is going to be who will free palestine Hamas, Fateh , or maybe even some new movement i honestly don't know .. but what i do know that palestinians are people who don't have the luxury of choice.
(this is all irrelevant to the original subject)

My civilian clothes are my promise that I can be entrusted not to explode as a method of warfare. Nothing you have told me about Hamas gives me any confidence that you can be entrusted. Are you trying to prove to me that you are a hypocrite?

“The signs of a hypocrite are three: Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie; and whenever he promises, he breaks his promise; and whenever he is entrusted, he betrays (proves to be dishonest).”
http://www.islamonline.net/english/discover/discover3.shtml

I would expect a hypocrite to make me repeat for a fourth time, and ask for an answer for a fourth time:

Since “Muslims are against hurting civilians in any way,“ and since you “believe that 9/11 served the people who want Islam to look bad and justify the war against it,“ and since the 9/11 attackers wore civilian disguise, consequently, the use of civilian disguise in warfare serves the people who want civilians “to look bad and justify the war against it,” therefore, those people that use civilian disguise in warfare are the enemies of Islam.

“Peaceful” Muslim, in your opinion, is that a valid argument?

You tell me first if you were standing between a fire that will burn you alive and another one that will just burn your hand or leg only, which one will you choose?
When Islam leaders used to send the armies for a battle the first thing they used to tell their soldiers: don't kill a woman, a child, an old man , a civilian not even cut a tree. what do you think that was ??and what was it for? This only means that Islam concepts in war prevents such behaviors.
but let me ask you: isn't there a difference between stealing because i am hungry and poor and stealing because i wanna take the easy way ? that doesn't justify stealing but the intentions are different.

 

[MSgt]

When Islam leaders used to send the armies for a battle the first thing they used to tell their soldiers: don't kill a woman, a child, an old man , a civilian not even cut a tree. what do you think that was ??and what was it for? This only means that Islam concepts in war prevents such behaviors.

And this is where Muslims keep making mistakes. They are defending what isn't under attack. It no longer matters what Islamic leaders "used" to do so long ago. What are Islamic leaders doing today and what religion are they hiding behind to justify it?

It doesn't matter that most Muslims are peaceful and moderate. When they come out in droves to protest and riot over a cartoon to "defend Islam," why don't they also come out in droves to protest and riot against Bin Laden, all those Mullahs, and all those Arab and Persian elite who use Islam to slaughter and destroy, to "defend Islam?"

Like it or not, the civilization in the Middle East is in trouble and they are failing. Islam, as a mundane organizational tool in much of the Muslim world no longer works. As Islam begins to take on a more liberal form as all religions have had to do to suit the needs of progression, people will withdraw deeper into said religion and the violence of Radicals will get worse. The Palestinian people are a creation of every oppressive Radical Persian and Saud that needs the Israeli/Palestinian conflict more than they care for peace between the two.

 

[Peaceful Muslim]

Side with him in what? Being rude, disruptive, and breaking forum rules? I'm sorry if you feel this way. I can promise you that Tashah has called nobody names and didn't deserve the attack. Which is why I defended her. If someone has been calling you names, please report the post.

i didn't mean Tashash specifically but there were a couple of members who did use unsluts and bad words with everyone. anyways if anything happens later on i will report it

 

[Captain America]

i didn't mean Tashash specifically but there were a couple of members who did use unsluts and bad words with everyone. anyways if anything happens later on i will report it

I'm surprised "unsluts" got passed the curse filter. :rofl What is that? A hooker who found Jesus?

 

[Peaceful Muslim]

And this is where Muslims keep making mistakes. They are defending what isn't under attack. It no longer matters what Islamic leaders "used" to do so long ago. What are Islamic leaders doing today and what religion are they hiding behind to justify it?

It doesn't matter that most Muslims are peaceful and moderate. When they come out in droves to protest and riot over a cartoon to "defend Islam," why don't they also come out in droves to protest and riot against Bin Laden, all those Mullahs, and all those Arab and Persian elite who use Islam to slaughter and destroy, to "defend Islam?"

The cartoons were about prophet Muhammad (PBUH) weren't they ? I am not here to talk about what is happening here today under the name of Islam. I am here to defend Islam and our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

 

[Peaceful Muslim]

I'm surprised "unsluts" got passed the curse filter. :rofl What is that? A hooker who found Jesus?

ooops sorry :roll:

 

[Captain America]

The cartoons were about prophet Muhammad (PBUH) weren't they ? I am not here to talk about what is happening here today under the name of Islam. I am here to defend Islam and our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

Defend away!!! :shock:

Just to show I'm not biased, here's one for you Jesus lovers too.

Praise be unto me!! Bwahahahaha

 

[MSgt]

The cartoons were about prophet Muhammad (PBUH) weren't they ? I am not here to talk about what is happening here today under the name of Islam. I am here to defend Islam and our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

Well, this would be the problem, right? Defending Islam is defending Islam. To stand by as the true blasphemers of Islam distort the teachings of Muhammed, Jesus, and Moses to destroy and murder is just as bad as cheering for it (many do).

It makes absolutely no sense to "defend" Islam and Muhammed to people who are not destroying that religion. Muslims are doing this. It is obvious from the ethnic slaughterings in Sudan, to the sectorial slaughterings in Iraq, and in the face of every terrorist who praises Allah with a Qu'ran in his hand and a bomb in the other. The true blasphemers of Islam are Muslims. The fight for Islam is within Islam.


PS. Slurred pictures of Jesus offends Christians. The difference in the civilizations is the manner in which they react. The true blasphemers of Islam are doing everything possible to force their belief that God doesn't smile and that it is not possible to change without challenging heaven. I don't see a whole hell of a lot of Muslims in the Middle East defending their religion.

 

[Peaceful Muslim]

Well, this would be the problem, right? Defending Islam is defending Islam. To stand by as the true blasphemers of Islam distort the teachings of Muhammed, Jesus, and Moses to destroy and murder is just as bad as cheering for it (many do).

It makes absolutely no sense to "defend" Islam and Muhammed to people who are not destroying that religion. Muslims are doing this. It is obvious from the ethnic slaughterings in Sudan, to the sectorial slaughterings in Iraq, and in the face of every terrorist who praises Allah with a Qu'ran in his hand and a bomb in the other. The true blasphemers of Islam are Muslims. The fight for Islam is within Islam.


PS. Slurred pictures of Jesus offends Christians. The difference in the civilizations is the manner in which they react.

And again judging 1,300,000,000 people against those..There are great examples of Islam on the other hand my friend

 

[Captain America]

Muslim Girls Gone Wild!

http://drphattonys.blogspot.com/2005/09/muslims-gone-wild.html