Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their error?

[aps]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

That describes the Democrat position very well.

But that's what the Democrat leadership is all about! :mrgreen:

Ha ha ha--good one! I can't stand Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid is getting on my nerves. I do not like seeing them speak. I love Murtha, but he talks TOO damn much! He could make his words more effective if he took a breath or two when he is speaking.

I saw Fahrenheit 9-11. At the end, Moore is showing Bush having problems with the phrase "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." I hated watching that because I was embarrassed for him.

So my embarassment goes both ways.

 

[The Mark]

Has it been debunked?

And, from the other side.

Has it been proven?

I have heard arguements from both sides so far, and I am reserving judgment untill I get more information.

I personally think that there are many, many classified documents and such that, if declassified would reveal some extreemly interesting information. Said information may support one side or the other on this war, or it may support neither.

 

[DeeJayH]

Has it been debunked?

And, from the other side.

Has it been proven?

I have heard arguements from both sides so far, and I am reserving judgment untill I get more information.

I personally think that there are many, many classified documents and such that, if declassified would reveal some extreemly interesting information. Said information may support one side or the other on this war, or it may support neither.

though this find does not exonerate Saddam
it does not qualify as what Our Administration, and the majority of the worlds best intelligence agencies, thought we would find
at least that is what i gleamed from the reports
Bush is smarter than Santorum and is not going to wave this around as a triumph. He will wait till further, more substantial proof is found

however i do agree that there is probably much more classified information we are not privy to yet.
time will tell
unless the dems win with their 'cut and run and let the Iraqi's be damned' policy

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

I personally think that there are many, many classified documents and such that, if declassified would reveal some extreemly interesting information. Said information may support one side or the other on this war, or it may support neither.

I'm sure you're right that there is lots of classified information that may support one side or the other...I just don't see why THIS would. It's not like documentation of a ten-cent crime by Saddam Hussein is anything new.

Since it was declassified now, the powers that be have deemed it to no longer be a necessary national secret. But it probably could've just as easily been declassified last week or last month or two years ago (or next week or next month or two years from now). And it probably WOULD have been declassified earlier, if the Bush Administration concluded doing so wouldn't threaten any state secrets and they seriously believed it would help build their case.

It looks to me like a routine declassification of information that no one anticipated would become a big deal...and it really ISN'T a big deal except to a senator desparate to save his job. Even the White House is playing it down.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Hodkstra and Santorum used the benefit of ignorance and exagerated the issue. All the GOP is doing that right now because aside from Iraq they don't have any issues that would draw support for them.
Iraq was a compeltely artificial war created for this sole purpose, elections.

I would've hoped that those here intelligent enough would've realized that by now, regardless of political affiliation. But the war mongers will always want war. The apologetics will always apologize for thier parties incompetence.

 

[Captain America]

Since I have heard a Weapons Inspector say that this is a valid WMD find I could not vote in this poll.........I do think Liberals who voted for the war in Iraq and then said the president lied about them owe him a sincere apology but I won't hold my breath until that happens........

You were saying??? :rofl

 

[oldreliable67]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

It looks to me like a routine declassification of information that no one anticipated would become a big deal...and it really ISN'T a big deal except to a senator desparate to save his job.

It isn't a 'routine declassification' in that one, the entirety of the underlying document has not been declassified and released, two, the only part that was released was a summary of the conclusions relating to these particular CW munitions, and three, the summary was prepared and released at the request of the senators after they became aware of its existence.

This process is, IMO, hardly routine. It is, though, obviously highly politically-driven. One question is, how did the senators become aware of the existence of this classified doc and the information contained in it? A leak? Or was it knowledge they obtained thru one or the other's position on a committee having to do with intel (that would be Hoekstra)?

Just more partisn horse-poop. YMMV.

 

[DeeJayH]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

It isn't a 'routine declassification' in that one, the entirety of the underlying document has not been declassified and released, two, the only part that was released was a summary of the conclusions relating to these particular CW munitions, and three, the summary was prepared and released at the request of the senators after they became aware of its existence.

This process is, IMO, hardly routine. It is, though, obviously highly politically-driven. One question is, how did the senators become aware of the existence of this classified doc and the information contained in it? A leak? Or was it knowledge they obtained thru one or the other's position on a committee having to do with intel (that would be Hoekstra)?

Just more partisn horse-poop. YMMV.

Hoekstra just said it was like pulling teeth to get this released

 

[oldreliable67]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Hoekstra just said it was like pulling teeth to get this released

I'll bet it was.

 

[The Mark]

How WAS this info declassified?

Was it because of one of those requests that people can make for documents to be declassified?

Or was it something declassified by the government on it's own?

 

[oldreliable67]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

How WAS this info declassified?

Was it because of one of those requests that people can make for documents to be declassified?

Or was it something declassified by the government on it's own?

My impression is that the document itself is still not declassified. The information presented by the senators consists of conclusions from a classified document. Those conclusions, which were requested by the senators, would themselves remain classified like the doc from which they were extracted, unless or until they were declassified, which they were. Given the rather non-startling conclusions, one has to wonder why the underlying entire doc is not declassified - though it may be that it contains references to intel sources that would be compromised and/or possibly put in harms way if released, which is the most frequent reason.

I'm just guessing, but I'm betting that Santorum's request for declassification would never have been honored without the accompanying request by Hoekstra, due to Hoekstra's position on the intel committee.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Hannity didn't even have the guts to show up for work the next day to eat his crow.

Oh, and BTW - if a major announcement of WMD is to be had, why would the job fall to Rick Santorum (the "P" is silent)? And what was he doing holding a classified document in his hands?

I can't wait until he loses in Novemenber, what a moron.

 

[aps]

Hannity didn't even have the guts to show up for work the next day to eat his crow.

Oh, and BTW - if a major announcement of WMD is to be had, why would the job fall to Rick Santorum (the "P" is silent)? And what was he doing holding a classified document in his hands?

I can't wait until he loses in Novemenber, what a moron.

Me too, hipster! He can take his stupid book that he wrote and shove it up his ex-Senator butt.

 

[Navy Pride]

Me too, hipster! He can take his stupid book that he wrote and shove it up his ex-Senator butt.

You guys are counting your chickens before they hatch..........Your doing the same thing you did with that Congressman from California and we know what happened there don't we...............

If he does win it has to be a bitter pill from hips to swallow accepting a pro lifer in the fold............Talk about selling out for a senate seat........

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

You guys are counting your chickens before they hatch.

Wait a minute, wasn't tha the exact thing the OP did in this thread? Way to prove the point. :lol:

 

[Navy Pride]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Wait a minute, wasn't tha the exact thing the OP did in this thread? Way to prove the point. :lol:

I don't know who OP is............Was he Andy Greiffiths son on the Andy Griffiths show?

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

I don't know who OP is............Was he Andy Greiffiths son on the Andy Griffiths show?

Sorry didn't realize you were new to mesage boards. OP is original poster.

 

[Kandahar]

You guys are counting your chickens before they hatch..........Your doing the same thing you did with that Congressman from California and we know what happened there don't we...............

Except the congressional race was essentially tied in the polls, and no one was expecting a huge victory either way (except you apparently).

Senator Dogsex is losing by double digit margins. He's done.

If he does win it has to be a bitter pill from hips to swallow accepting a pro lifer in the fold............Talk about selling out for a senate seat........

Selling out? Yes, God forbid we elect politicians who don't tow the party lines on everything. :roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

Except the congressional race was essentially tied in the polls, and no one was expecting a huge victory either way (except you apparently).

Senator Dogsex is losing by double digit margins. He's done.



Selling out? Yes, God forbid we elect politicians who don't tow the party lines
on everything. :roll:

He got only 1 percent less then Bush got in that district and he was running against a 3rd candidate with the same political beliefs who got 4 percent so in November he will beat your girl by at leat 8 pts.........


You know what I am originally from Western Pa Santorums district> I like him and think he is a good man but to tell you the truth there is not a lot of difference between him and Casey.........You might call Casey a Zell Miller democrat in that he is pro life, pro teach penalty, pro second amendment......hardly left wing politicians beliefs.......

 

[Kandahar]

He got only 1 percent less then Bush got in that district and he was running against a 3rd candidate with the same political beliefs who got 4 percent so in November he will beat your girl by at leat 8 pts.........

In that California district? That peripheral district 3,000 miles away from me where neither candidate is of any national importance? You can't imagine how much I don't care who wins in November.

You know what I am originally from Western Pa Santorums district> I like him and think he is a good man but to tell you the truth there is not a lot of difference between him and Casey.........You might call Casey a Zell Miller democrat in that he is pro life, pro teach penalty, pro second amendment......hardly left wing politicians beliefs.......

Casey would make an excellent senator. He's a moderate, which is not a four-letter word. Yet you say this as though you expect me to have a problem with that...

Dogsex, on the other hand, is one of the biggest, most obnoxious douchebags in the US Senate (and that's really saying something, since 90+ of them are douchebags). He supports the Christian Right on almost everything. On the few issues where Bush and Dogsex disagree, Dogsex is even WORSE than Bush.

It'll give me great pleasure to see Dogsex voted out of office. It couldn't happen to a more deserving senator.





(Ahem. Sorry for the rant, everyone. I just felt like explaining the degree of Santorum's suckitude without elaboration. :lol

 

[Navy Pride]

In that California district? That peripheral district 3,000 miles away from me where neither candidate is of any national importance? You can't imagine how much I don't give a **** who wins in November.



Casey would make an excellent senator. He's a moderate, which is not a four-letter word. Yet you say this as though you expect me to have a problem with that...

Dogsex, on the other hand, is one of the biggest, most obnoxious douchebags in the US Senate (and that's really saying something, since 90+ of them are douchebags). He supports the Christian Right on almost everything. On the few issues where Bush and Dogsex disagree, Dogsex is even WORSE than Bush.

It'll give me great pleasure to see Dogsex voted out of office. It couldn't happen to a more deserving senator.

I have never heard a person who is pro life, anti death penalty, pro second amendment, anti gay marriage a moderate............Maybe you call that a moderate but I call it a conservative.....I am from Altoona in Western Pa and although I don't live there now I have relatives living there and they tell me the race is very close...........They tell me there is not a lot of differnece between the two so I would be careful what I wish for if I were you..........Your party already treated his father like **** in 1992 because he was pro life now your embracing him because you want that seat.........Can you say HYPOCRITE????......From what I have heard I don't think he has forgotten that...

I think I know a little more about politics in Western Pa then someone who lives in Md. does.........

As far as that race goes in California you libs were not talking that way prior to the primary

 

[Kandahar]

I have never heard a person who is pro life, anti death penalty, pro second amendment, anti gay marriage a moderate............Maybe you call that a moderate but I call it a conservative.....

Perhaps. Casey is an excellent leader and will probably be a very good senator no matter what label you choose to put on him.

I am from Altoona in Western Pa and although I don't live there now I have relatives living there and they tell me the race is very close...........

Your anecdotal evidence notwithstanding, all reliable polls indicate that Dogsex is going to be buried in a double-digit landslide.

They tell me there is not a lot of differnece between the two so I would be careful what I wish for if I were you..........Your party already treated his father like **** in 1992 because he was pro life now your embracing him because you want that seat.........Can you say HYPOCRITE????......From what I have heard I don't think he has forgotten that...

There's nothing hypocritical about electing politicians who don't tow the party line. Sometimes that's a GOOD thing, as it helps break gridlock and ease tensions between groups, and it helps diversify the political parties.

You bitch about Democrats being a home to political extremism, yet whenever they nominate someone who doesn't tow the party line on everything you call them hypocrites. A classic example of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." You can't have it both ways.

I think I know a little more about politics in Western Pa then someone who lives in Md. does.........

No, I really don't think you do.

As far as that race goes in California you libs were not talking that way prior to the primary

I'd like you to find me one quote where I even MENTIONED the California race before the election. I really don't think you'll find one, and if you do, it'll be something to the effect of "don't draw big conclusions from one congressional district."

 

[Navy Pride]

Perhaps. Casey is an excellent leader and will probably be a very good senator no matter what label you choose to put on him.



Your anecdotal evidence notwithstanding, all reliable polls indicate that Dogsex is going to be buried in a double-digit landslide.



There's nothing hypocritical about electing politicians who don't tow the party line. Sometimes that's a GOOD thing, as it helps break gridlock and ease tensions between groups, and it helps diversify the political parties.



No, I really don't think you do.



I'd like you to find me one quote where I even MENTIONED the California race before the election. I really don't think you'll find one, and if you do, it'll be something to the effect of "don't draw big conclusions from one congressional district."

1. Well the only conservative I know in the democratic party is Zell Miller......Can you enlighten me on another?

2. Yeah those same polls that predicted and upset in California

3. Ok you know what goes on in Pa and I know what goes on in Md....

4. When I say you I mean people that drink the same liberal kool aid you do........

 

[Kandahar]

1. Well the only conservative I know in the democratic party is Zell Miller......Can you enlighten me on another?

Well I'm not big on political labels, but I'll give it a shot: Evan Bayh is fairly conservative. Joe Lieberman is a conservative. Mark Pryor of Arkansas.

2. Yeah those same polls that predicted and upset in California

No they didn't. No one predicted that except you apparently.

3. Ok you know what goes on in Pa and I know what goes on in Md....

No. *I* know what goes on in PA and *I* know what goes on in MD. You may or may not know what goes on in PA...and in this case you clearly don't.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

I suggest that you read the Washington Post story cited in the first post of this thread? It will hopefully enlighten you as to the truth regarding Santorum's pathetic grasping at the boogieman.

After you read the Post piece I would be curious to read your spin on this since the Post clearly debunks the entire story and cites the White House, CIA and Dept. of Defense as their sources for the debunking.

Total lie your story is completely bogus just who did the Post cite from the CIA, the White House, and the DOD? Unofficial anonomous sources? Well good for them, according to my anonomous sources from the DOD, the CIA, and the White House, the Santorum account is completely accurate, prove me wrong.