Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their error?

[aps]

Sorry, but it appears that the WMD claimed by them aren't what they hoped they would be.

Lawmakers Cite Weapons Found in Iraq
Thursday, June 22, 2006; Page A10

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), chairman of the House intelligence committee, and Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told reporters yesterday that weapons of mass destruction had in fact been found in Iraq, despite acknowledgments by the White House and the insistence of the intelligence community that no such weapons had been discovered. . . .

Last night, intelligence officials reaffirmed that the shells were old and were not the suspected weapons of mass destruction sought in Iraq after the 2003 invasion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Sorry, but it appears that the WMD claimed by them aren't what they hoped they would be.

You should have added an option that the forum members who so quickly condemned Democrats over this non-story should put their tails between their legs and apologize to our community for their rabble rousing thread!

The desperatism of Santorum and those here who followed his lead is a real hoot. They all bow down to a dysfunctional belief system that does not allow for admitting when they are wrong, hence the thread that was the genesis of this thread. They all bow down in prayer...problem is they're praying to a false idol...

 

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Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

You should have added an option that the forum members who so quickly condemned Democrats over this non-story should put their tails between their legs and apologize to our community for their rabble rousing thread!

The desperatism of Santorum and those here who followed his lead is a real hoot. They all bow down to a dysfunctional belief system that does not allow for admitting when they are wrong, hence the thread that was the genesis of this thread. They all bow down in prayer...problem is they're praying to a false idol...

World Champs, I cannot believe the response from this bogus news by the republicans/conservatives. It showed a desperation that has made me both incredulous and sad (because their desperation could not be hidden).

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

World Champs, I cannot believe the response from this bogus news by the republicans/conservatives. It showed a desperation that has made me both incredulous and sad (because their desperation could not be hidden).

I think a big part of their desperation is that pride is preventing them from accepting the truth. Pride, as you know, is one of the seven deadly sins for precisely this reason. In this case you can see how it can backfire and actually highlight how desperate some people (Santorum) are to justify the misstatements that they've made on this subject.

What's really amazing is that he would hold a press conference without doing even the most basic of due diligence that would have prevented them from looking like the incredible idiots that they apparently are.

It was also interesting how people in this forum cited a Fox News Channel story as their source yet didn't even read "below the fold" to see that even FNC debunked the story as meaningless. All they saw was the FNC headline (a ploy FNC uses to get attention for itself and to mislead).

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

It was also interesting how people in this forum cited a Fox News Channel story as their source yet didn't even read "below the fold" to see that even FNC debunked the story as meaningless. All they saw was the FNC headline (a ploy FNC uses to get attention for itself and to mislead).

Meaningless? How so?

And even then, right below the passage you refer to, the story says:
The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

We have found 500 or so WMDs that Iraq was not supposed to have, and that Saddam said he got rid of. 500 is not a miniscule number, far too many to be just a "mistake" or an example of "poor record keeping".

So, these may have been pre-1991 WMDs. So what?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Santorum is desparate because his latest poll numbers show him falling even further behind Casey. He's trailing by 18% I believe.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Meaningless? How so?

And even then, right below the passage you refer to, the story says:
The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

We have found 500 or so WMDs that Iraq was not supposed to have, and that Saddam said he got rid of. 500 is not a miniscule number, far too many to be just a "mistake" or an example of "poor record keeping".

So, these may have been pre-1991 WMDs. So what?

I suggest that you read the Washington Post story cited in the first post of this thread? It will hopefully enlighten you as to the truth regarding Santorum's pathetic grasping at the boogieman.

After you read the Post piece I would be curious to read your spin on this since the Post clearly debunks the entire story and cites the White House, CIA and Dept. of Defense as their sources for the debunking.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

I suggest that you read the Washington Post story cited in the first post of this thread? It will hopefully enlighten you as to the truth regarding Santorum's pathetic grasping at the boogieman.

After you read the Post piece I would be curious to read your spin on this since the Post clearly debunks the entire story and cites the White House, CIA and Dept. of Defense as their sources for the debunking.

After reading it again, allow me to repeat myself:

We have found 500 or so WMDs that Iraq was not supposed to have, and that Saddam said he got rid of. 500 is not a miniscule number, far too many to be just a "mistake" or an example of "poor record keeping".

So, these may have been pre-1991 WMDs. So what?

 

[aps]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

After reading it again, allow me to repeat myself:

We have found 500 or so WMDs that Iraq was not supposed to have, and that Saddam said he got rid of. 500 is not a miniscule number, far too many to be just a "mistake" or an example of "poor record keeping".

So, these may have been pre-1991 WMDs. So what?

World Champs, I hope you ignore this post. You are going nowhere with Goobieman.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

World Champs, I hope you ignore this post. You are going nowhere with Goobieman.

Ah. Legitimate questions bother you.
Oh well.
:roll:

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

After reading it again, allow me to repeat myself:

We have found 500 or so WMDs that Iraq was not supposed to have, and that Saddam said he got rid of. 500 is not a miniscule number, far too many to be just a "mistake" or an example of "poor record keeping".

So, these may have been pre-1991 WMDs. So what?

Despite APS' good advice I thought I would reprint the important portion of the Post story, the part that you, Goobie, are ignoring. Read it carefully, please?

500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.

The U.S. military announced in 2004 in Iraq that several crates of the old shells had been uncovered and that they contained a blister agent that was no longer active. Neither the military nor the White House nor the CIA considered the shells to be evidence of what was alleged by the Bush administration to be a current Iraqi program to make chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

Last night, intelligence officials reaffirmed that the shells were old and were not the suspected weapons of mass destruction sought in Iraq after the 2003 invasion.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html

Did you read the very last paragraph? NOT THE SUSPECTED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS SOUGHT IN IRAQ AFTER THE 2003 INVASION.

Is this unclear to you still?

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Despite APS' good advice I thought I would reprint the important portion of the Post story, the part that you, Goobie, are ignoring. Read it carefully, please?

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html

Did you read the very last paragraph? NOT THE SUSPECTED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS SOUGHT IN IRAQ AFTER THE 2003 INVASION.

Is this unclear to you still?

I see you didnt read (or understand) my post.
Just in case it wasnt fully clear, I'll put it another way:

Was Iraq supposed to have had these WMDs?
Wasn't Iraq supposed to have destroyed these WMDs?
Didn't Iraq claim they did destroy these WMDs?
There were from before the 1991 war. So?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

I see you didnt read (or understand) my post.
Just in case it wasnt fully clear, I'll put it another way:

Was Iraq supposed to have had these WMDs?
Wasn't Iraq supposed to have destroyed these WMDs?
Didn't Iraq claim they did destroy these WMDs?
There were from before the 1991 war. So?

First off read this, again:

had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.

Secondly Dirtbag Santorum's point was that these "weapons" were not as described here but were supposedly the WMDs that we were looking for to justify our invasion and that is cleatly untrue. The other thread started by a Santorum Groupie also played on the fact that these were the missing links that justifies the entire war.

Your point is only slightly above those two points in terms of relevance. Grasping at straws, hoping that this nothingness turns into somethingness. Problem is Goobie is that it is nothing and will always be nothing no matter how smug you appear to be or is it just stubborness?

Look if you want to hang with the likes of Santorum, Navy Pride and anyone else who thinks this absurdity means that Saddam had WMDs that justified our starting a war please go right ahead, it's still a relatively free country.

 

[aps]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Ah. Legitimate questions bother you.
Oh well.
:roll:

No, illegitimate questions make me feel a little sad, though.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

First off read this, again:

"Long forgotten?".
How does that change the fact that the Iraqis claimed they were destroyed?
How does that vhange the fact that the Iraqis claimed that they weren't there?

Secondly Dirtbag Santorum's point was that these "weapons" were not as described here but were supposedly the WMDs that we were looking for to justify our invasion and that is cleatly untrue.

Oh... I see...
You seem to think there was just one reason for the invasion.
THAT'S why you're havbing trouble seeing why this is important.
That and your partisanship...

The other thread started by a Santorum Groupie also played on the fact that these were the missing links that justifies the entire war.

These weapons clearly show that Iraq lied about their compliance, and therefored does indeed support one of the reasons we went to war.

Your point is only slightly above those two points in terms of relevance.

Given that you, apparently, think there was but ONE reason we went to war, the same can be said for you.

Grasping at straws, hoping that this nothingness turns into somethingness.
Problem is Goobie is that it is nothing and will always be nothing no matter how smug you appear to be or is it just stubborness?

Pot, meet kettle.
As I said, you apparently think there was only one reason we went to war, and you focus on that reason, alone, because its the only way you can conntinue to claim the war wasnt justified.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

No, illegitimate questions make me feel a little sad, though.

How are my questrions illegitimate?

 

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Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

How are my questrions illegitimate?

Let's not worry about it. I am moving on from this subject.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Let's not worry about it. I am moving on from this subject.

Ah. A drive-by criticism. :roll:

 

[Hoot]

I happened to be watching Faux news yesterday and saw Rick Santorum give his little speech. The thing is...the general on right before Rick, said the WMD were degraded and pre 1991...then here's John Gibson, who I used to have a bit of respect for, acting like it's a big deal?!

Then they mention Sarin?! Like it's a big deal?

Do a search on "shelf life of Sarin," and anyone can find info that states it's several weeks to a few months, after which the potency seriously degrades...and here's Faux acting like this find, dating back to pre 1991, vindicates Bush?

Santorum should apologize. Of course, I'm still waiting for Bush to apologize, so I don't plan on holding my breath while I wait.

 

[aps]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Ah. A drive-by criticism. :roll:

I just can't watch people make fools of themselves. It's that simple.

 

[Goobieman]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

I just can't watch people make fools of themselves. It's that simple.

Or... as is more likely the case... you cannot show how my questions are illegitimate, and so you're running from your statement.

But hey - do what you have to do.

 

[hipsterdufus]

I happened to be watching Faux news yesterday and saw Rick Santorum give his little speech. The thing is...the general on right before Rick, said the WMD were degraded and pre 1991...then here's John Gibson, who I used to have a bit of respect for, acting like it's a big deal?!

Then they mention Sarin?! Like it's a big deal?

Do a search on "shelf life of Sarin," and anyone can find info that states it's several weeks to a few months, after which the potency seriously degrades...and here's Faux acting like this find, dating back to pre 1991, vindicates Bush?

Santorum should apologize. Of course, I'm still waiting for Bush to apologize, so I don't plan on holding my breath while I wait.

Even Fox New's Jim Angle discredited Senator Man on Dog.

Defense Department Disavows Santorum’s WMD Claims »
Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.

Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

http://thinkprogress.org/?s=Santorum

 

[Navy Pride]

Since I have heard a Weapons Inspector say that this is a valid WMD find I could not vote in this poll.........I do think Liberals who voted for the war in Iraq and then said the president lied about them owe him a sincere apology but I won't hold my breath until that happens........

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

Since I have heard a Weapons Inspector say that this is a valid WMD find I could not vote in this poll.........I do think Liberals who voted for the war in Iraq and then said the president lied about them owe him a sincere apology but I won't hold my breath until that happens........

And I think you owe this forum a sincere apology for trumpeting this ridiculous story even after the White House said it wasn't a significant WMD find. But I won't hold my breath until that happens.

Are you saying that President Bush is a liar? Or are you saying that the honorable Senator Dog-****er from Pennsylvania knows more than the Bush Administration about national security?

 

[Diogenes]

Re: Now that WMD finding has been debunked, should Hoekstra/Santorum admit their erro

I think a big part of their desperation is that pride is preventing them from accepting the truth. Pride, as you know, is one of the seven deadly sins for precisely this reason.

That describes the Democrat position very well.

I just can't watch people make fools of themselves. It's that simple.

But that's what the Democrat leadership is all about! :mrgreen: