I didn't mean LITERALLY preventing investigation... BUT when you're subtly saying "don't look at that, the investigation was good, sit down and shut up" You are enabling this atmosphere that prevents a new investigation from coming about... though, a proper investigation would require subpoena powers, something not given to any of the 'investigations', so it's not simply this...
B'man ... none of that matters, as said before NO-ONE is preventing truthers from doing anything ... and if you are so sure of your position then nothing we say can dissuade you from your stance.
You
should be strong enough within your belief, like religious faith, that despite all and any contrary arguments you keep to it ... but that is why
we get fed up with whiners like CD bleating about prevention.
We
know we are right, nothing you say will ever change that, so we don't end up whining about anything you write ... that belongs to the twoof side ... possibly because deep, deep down inside of themselves they "know" their position is weak !!!
That's why I am asking... WHY are the debunkers BENT on telling people that everything is fine, don't investigate, we got all the answers...
We are not "bent" on anything, there is no agenda here ... it is a simple right is right and wrong is wrong.
To use my favourite stupid person, Rainbow Lady ... it isn't about debate or politics or opinions B'man ... she is just WRONG !!!
We
do have all the scientific answers, they are unassailable ... it is only politically there should be contention, for the Bush Administration WERE remiss in not having a fuller inquiry into their own failures and ineptitude.
But I
understand that ... it is human nature to not want to admit fault.
No-one likes to be shown weak and inefficient ... and that simple human flaw of psychology is the reason
why they did not want further investigation of their own stupidity, arrogance and ineptitude ... NOT because they were covering up a grand conspiracy.
But because they were caught with their collective pants down !!!
9/11 was what it was ... an attack on the American people on American soil by OUTSIDE extremists ... for what possible reason could it not just be that ???
Truthers always say it was to give Bush power, and yet we are near 10 years later and Bush and Co, are no longer in power ... elections did NOT get suspended ... martial law was NOT declared.
And considering how much America has lost in expensive wars they cannot possibly win ... who gained anything really ???
when even BASICS like 'who got fired or demoted for their actions / inaction?', and other similar questions that, EVEN if we run with the fairy tale, SOMEONE probably along the lines screwed up enough to justify their losing their jobs...
But that
is the reality of life ... throught history there has always been those whom caused problems palming them off whilst protecting themselves.
Unfair ... yes, immoral ... yes, but it has always, unfortuantely, been so.
Another flaw and indication of the selfishness of human nature, part of the whole survival of the fittest thing we still retain from caveman days.
Whilst our intellect may have taken us to the stars our emotions still lie very much with our ape-like ancestry.
Not a security screener that let 19 boxcutters onto various flights,
Erm, pre 9/11 you still could take things like that on board ... why do truthers seem to forget that ???
not an intelligence agent that failed to bring up intelligence issues,
You act as if information about the hijackers was ALL the infomation intelligence agencies had to deal with ... you do realise that there are thousands upon thousands of pieces of hundreds of jigsaws to look at ... it is much
more difficult in the real world to look through than most people even realise.
"Spying Blind" goes into great detail of these bureaucratic shortcomings, but I doubt most twoofs would be interested, because it simply isn't
exciting enough !!!
Amazon.com: Spying Blind: The CIA, the FBI, and the Origins of 9/11 (9780691120218): Amy B. Zegart: Books
not a NORAD officer telling the FAA that the hijack codes they were getting were part of a drill...
Erm, slight wee problem there B'man ... there were NO hijack codes ever sent !!!
See this is where you go so wrong B'man ... you put down stuff that is patently not real ... it is more as if you are just running with a thought than finding out beforehand if it is articulate information.
There is ample information telling that NO hijack code was ever sent, you have been writing about this for years, so you SHOULD automatically
already know this !!!
When you write stuff like that it just shows us that you take your own thoughts as reality alone, without double-checking first ... and yet you accuse us of being opinion-based !!!
Do you not
see this ???
I mean, SOMEONE failed at their job that day... and in other comparable situations people have been fired or demoted.
Yes, B'man the unfairness of it all rankles ... but that is life I am afraid !!!
Just a bunch of wanna be stalinists like USDA_racine suggesting that people should be arrested for engaging in such discussions...
But can you not understand the anger your beliefs generate ???
For 9/11 to be a conspiracy would require the participation of thousands, including those whom lost so much, such as the FDNY and victims families.
Even here on this forum there has been a poster whom was physically present and witnessed firsthand, even losing known collegues ... and yet people like you ... whom were NOT there and whom NEVER lost anyone are questioning "their" understanding.
And when called out respond negatively ... ergo, you ARE presuming to speak
for them !!!
People like you
are taking the words of Fire Fighters and "interpreting" them as to "mean" explosives ... BUT you have NEVER had either the moral courage or intellectual honesty to FIRSTLY go see them to ASK whether they
actually meant bombs or was it just fear and confusion, and do they stand by that now.
BEFORE presuming to speak for others you should find out whether they even want you to FIRST.
Truthers always say they are showing respect for victims and families by trying to get justice for them in the form of another investigation, but has it
ever even crossed your mind to ASK them if they need or want you to ???
Have you ever even thought about contacting the various families and survivors groups and asking their opinion and understanding and whether or not they support your contention of conspiracy ???
I'll take that as a big NO !!!
B'man, if the families and survivors AREN'T supporting you, what does that say
about your contention and conspiracy claims ... because the real truth is the families, the survivors and the FDNY do NOT believe in conspiracy ... Fire Fightes get seriously angry at truthers ... does that not
tell you something ... that maybe it is, in fact, YOU who is wrong ???
Here, contact them ... ask them whether YOUR understanding and claims are more right than theirs ... tell them of your noble quest on their behalf ... I am sure they will welcome you with open arms !!!
9/11 Families - Contact Us
9/11 Families - Support Groups
9/11 Families - Support Groups
VOICES of September 11th
Contact Us - Families of September 11
Contact Us
Contact WTC United
World Trade Center Survivors' Network
FDNY Online Memorial - Calendar
B'man considering that 9/11 really HAPPENED to them, do you not think it prudent and sensible to seek THEIR understanding FIRST ... before going hell-bent with your own ???
but more importantly because you got 'debunkers' going around deciding on reality...
Reality is what it is B'man ... and facts are facts !!!
The truther side is more than somewhat lacking in facts ... oh! supposition, possibilities and JAQing off aplenty ... not much in the way of unassailable facts though !!!
and beyond that, you're seemingly suggesting that 9-11 seekers of truth should be engaging in some sort of vigilante investigation in pursuit of justice... this shouldn't be necessary.
Oh! for Gods sake B'man, HOW am I suggesting any sort of "vigilante" anything ... I clearly and distinctly said that you are free to pursue investigation yourself, going to another country to commission a scientific investigation is NOT vigilantism ... requesting interviews with Fire Fighters is NOT vigilantism ... emailing people is NOT vigilantism ...
That you may get ignored or ridiculed is expected, for I am sure most of these people will have had that before ... but there are certainly PLENTY of public access sources of information with these peoples FULL words available, that you should not need personally contact them.
There are memorial sites and museums with many soruces of information available ... you could travel to New York and visit Ground Zero, there are plenty of citizens and groups willing to engage ... it is patent nonsense to claim I was advocating vigilante behaviour !!!
Deep down you know WHY the truth movement will NEVER
even test its scientific claims out in the real world ... they would be destroyed, shown for the fakes and frauds they are !!!
Deep down you
know this yet still try to deflect defensively ... for it is much easier and more self-satisfying to try put people like me down, than hold your own precious movement up to scrutiny ... that they have FAILED utterly to be competent or able is YOUR problem ... not ours ... you and your delighfully irrelevent little movement have been a failure, but rather than address
that it is much more satisfying to argue against us.
No wonder Da Twoof has got precisely no-where ... too busy infighting and getting shirty and defensive on blogs and forums to actually DO anything !!!
As I pointed out in the earlier post, it's in the high 40% of people DO NOT KNOW about WTC7. They are STILL unaware...
So what ???
Why is it even important ???
It was an unoccupied building, cleared of people, which was severely damaged by a feckin' huge one falling on it, burned for hours and fell !!!
What is so important about
that ???
Oh, ya. I'll just walk up to the pentagon and start flipping stones hoping to find something... you're being rediculous and you know it.
Sorry but,
your the one being ridiculous here ... visiting the actual sites and finding people willing to talk is NOT akin to throwing stones.
That is childish and you know it ... no-one said anything like that B'man.
Your petualance is noted thought !!!