• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ???

Roundhouse!

New member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
29
Reaction score
0
Location
Hong Kong
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

GarzaUK said:
NEWS FLASH TO AMERICANS!

Americans, thats right Americans funded Irish terrorism to kill and injure Protestant civilians. Americans actually funded terrorism, give yourselves a pat on the back! :rolleyes:

It is not the americans who are ignorant about this funding. I know some very wealthy people that spend a large percentage of their salaries to fund Sinn Fein and I'll be damned if they don't know exactly what they are funding. Just because they aren't there doesn't mean they are blinding throwing money into a shady cause.

You talk about descendants, but what you don't realize is that half the time only a part of the family relocated to America, so there are plenty of Irish in america who are as irish as fortune cookies but there are also an overwhelming amount with deep roots in Ireland, and these people are going to be pouring a lot of money into what they feel to be their responsibility.

Everybody assumes americans are so stupid. Please...anybody that would say something so brittle with such certainty can be nothing but ignorant. This is why Michael Moore is such a fool.
 

GarzaUK

British, Irish and everything in-between.
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 28, 2005
Messages
3,688
Reaction score
631
Location
Carrickfergus, Northern Ireland
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Roundhouse! said:
It is not the americans who are ignorant about this funding. I know some very wealthy people that spend a large percentage of their salaries to fund Sinn Fein and I'll be damned if they don't know exactly what they are funding. Just because they aren't there doesn't mean they are blinding throwing money into a shady cause.

You talk about descendants, but what you don't realize is that half the time only a part of the family relocated to America, so there are plenty of Irish in america who are as irish as fortune cookies but there are also an overwhelming amount with deep roots in Ireland, and these people are going to be pouring a lot of money into what they feel to be their responsibility.

Everybody assumes americans are so stupid. Please...anybody that would say something so brittle with such certainty can be nothing but ignorant. This is why Michael Moore is such a fool.

Michael Moore also funds Sinn Fein lol.

As long as they know they have blood on their hands. Just because they didn't pull the trigger doesn't mean they are not responsible.

In white America people are split into two groups, the Irish and the ones who want to be Irish. lol
 

Roundhouse!

New member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
29
Reaction score
0
Location
Hong Kong
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

GarzaUK said:
Michael Moore also funds Sinn Fein lol.

As long as they know they have blood on their hands. Just because they didn't pull the trigger doesn't mean they are not responsible.

In white America people are split into two groups, the Irish and the ones who want to be Irish. lol


I live in Boston...don't get me started. Like I said...as irish as fortune cookies.

Though be careful when you say whites, because I don't have a sliver of Irish in me and I'd vomit my anus before I'd call myself that.
 

GarzaUK

British, Irish and everything in-between.
DP Veteran
Joined
Jan 28, 2005
Messages
3,688
Reaction score
631
Location
Carrickfergus, Northern Ireland
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Roundhouse! said:
I live in Boston...don't get me started. Like I said...as irish as fortune cookies.

Though be careful when you say whites, because I don't have a sliver of Irish in me and I'd vomit my anus before I'd call myself that.

Sorry about that term "white". I just cant see and African Americans or Chinese Americans or Latino Americans calling themselves Irish - maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they do!

I heard in America that Italians and homosexuals can't march in the St. Patrick's day parade though.

I went to St. Patricks day parade in Belfast this year. I was walking through the crowd dead nervous, hoping I didn't look too "protestant" lol. I kinda wish Americans could see that the whole Northern Ireland thing is bull****, and pull the plug.
 

Roundhouse!

New member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
29
Reaction score
0
Location
Hong Kong
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

GarzaUK said:
I heard in America that Italians and homosexuals can't march in the St. Patrick's day parade though.

I went to St. Patricks day parade in Belfast this year. I was walking through the crowd dead nervous, hoping I didn't look too "protestant" lol. I kinda wish Americans could see that the whole Northern Ireland thing is bull****, and pull the plug.

I don't know about that specific discrimination but I wouldn't put it past them. There are definitely some assholes in this country. But what people don't realize is that there are just as many in every country. You can't tell me you've ever been to a pub in the UK if you think it doesn't have it's share of ignorant "rednecks" as it were.

I agree that everybody needs to cut this Northern Ireland garbage out.

I would like some enlightenment though.
Is there a reason England insists on owning it? Or is it just pride at this point?
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

slim said:
Those in places such as Iraq are fighting for their lives and their people.
:damn

I can never find the "BS" emoticon when I need it.

Those relatively few (estimates are less than 20,000 out of 25,000,000) still fighting in Iraq are remnants of the former regime who realize that there is no opportunity for them to have a place equal to their former status in the 'new' Iraq.

They seek simply to cause as much death and destruction as they can. You will note that their main efforts are directed against the popularly elected Iraqi government and Iraqi civilians. The intention is to do their best to cause the overthrow of the government.

The core constituency is supported, supplied, and reinforced by the neighboring Arab leaders who fear the consequences to themselves of democratically elected governments in the Middle East.

The terrorists fight, not for the people of Iraq, but solely to avenge the loss of the power and position they enjoyed under the dictatorial regime of Saddam Hussein. Their 'battle plan' is nothing more than the indiscriminate killing and maiming of as many of their Iraqi brothers as they can.

There is nothing noble about the terrorist cause.
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Originally Posted by GarzaUK

NEWS FLASH TO AMERICANS!

Americans, thats right Americans funded Irish terrorism to kill and injure Protestant civilians. Americans actually funded terrorism, give yourselves a pat on the back!
Pass the hat for the IRA in any "Irish" bar in the US on a Saturday night and you'll collect plenty from among the illegal Irish immigrants who feel guilt at having deserted the homeland for greener pastures.

But, not sufficient guilt to head home and join the fight that, over drinks, they moan about with each other.
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

slim said:
The media has indeed represented muslims as terrorists. That is where the capitalist profit is, near the oil and in Bush's favour.

The media fails to see paramilitary activity in Northern Ireland, many south american countries, many african states and some in eastern europe. Why? because it will either make the US look bad or it would not gain profit.
The media sees everything.

The various media outlets selectively print or broadcast whatever information is deemed helpful to propel the 'cause' being advanced.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, is an oath that never was and and never will be observed by the media.

The left or right leanings are about as subtle as a train wreck.
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

GarzaUK said:
In white America people are split into two groups, the Irish and the ones who want to be Irish. lol
Yes. Everyone yearns to be a member of the Kennedy clan. Or the Kerry clan. Or any other of the numerous socialist-lib-dem hypocritical clans. Everyone who is a hypocrite, that is. :rofl
 

26 X World Champs

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 6, 2005
Messages
7,536
Reaction score
429
Location
Upper West Side of Manhattan (10024)
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Fantasea said:
Yes. Everyone yearns to be a member of the Kennedy clan. Or the Kerry clan. Or any other of the numerous socialist-lib-dem hypocritical clans. Everyone who is a hypocrite, that is. :rofl
Dude, you are the biggest HYPOCRITE in this community by far. You've lied the most too. For you to call anyone a hypocrite again makes you a gigantic hypocrite.

You are so full of :bs
 

Rhadamanthus

Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2004
Messages
186
Reaction score
2
Location
Alaska
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Fantasea said:
The media sees everything.

The various media outlets selectively print or broadcast whatever information is deemed helpful to propel the 'cause' being advanced.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, is an oath that never was and and never will be observed by the media.

The left or right leanings are about as subtle as a train wreck.

That is quite untrue. The media is not a single enitity that works towords a single goal. 'The Media' is a very large and extensive group of people, many of whom have nothing in common with other members of 'The Media'. The media does not see everything. The media finds out information by building off of information that has already been in evidence. Most news is updates on things that have been going on for a very long amount of time. And the thought that all media outlets are trying to advance a cause is quite incorrect. More correct would be to say, most media outlets broadcast information to advance a cause, ect ect. But there are plenty of media outlets out there that do try to portray the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Of course the truth may differ in the eyes of certain people. Something goes on in certain outlets of 'the media' that I am not sure how many people know about. It's is not uncommon for the govornment to supply certain news organizations press releases that take the format of a story, then the news organization in question will air, print, broadcast, this press release as if it were a story. To the common person it will then apear as this were a fair and balanced piece that gives us a clear interpretation of all sides of whatever is going on when infact it is really something that is compiled of what the govornment wants to hear. And of course big brother only would want us to hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Certain media news organizations are indeed biased. But if a person gets more then one view of a certain subject from different news organizations their view will be much clearer then someone he only listens to a single media outlet.
 

Montalban

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2005
Messages
395
Reaction score
0
Location
Sydney
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Rhadamanthus said:
That is quite untrue. The media is not a single enitity that works towords a single goal. 'The Media' is a very large and extensive group of people, many of whom have nothing in common with other members of 'The Media'.

The media is heavily controlled by a very few.

Even the 'idependent' media outlets often still rely on sponsorship through advertisements.

The interdependence of captialism makes this so.
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Rhadamanthus said:
That is quite untrue. The media is not a single enitity that works towords a single goal. 'The Media' is a very large and extensive group of people, many of whom have nothing in common with other members of 'The Media'. The media does not see everything. The media finds out information by building off of information that has already been in evidence. Most news is updates on things that have been going on for a very long amount of time. And the thought that all media outlets are trying to advance a cause is quite incorrect. More correct would be to say, most media outlets broadcast information to advance a cause, ect ect. But there are plenty of media outlets out there that do try to portray the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Of course the truth may differ in the eyes of certain people. Something goes on in certain outlets of 'the media' that I am not sure how many people know about. It's is not uncommon for the govornment to supply certain news organizations press releases that take the format of a story, then the news organization in question will air, print, broadcast, this press release as if it were a story. To the common person it will then apear as this were a fair and balanced piece that gives us a clear interpretation of all sides of whatever is going on when infact it is really something that is compiled of what the govornment wants to hear. And of course big brother only would want us to hear the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Certain media news organizations are indeed biased. But if a person gets more then one view of a certain subject from different news organizations their view will be much clearer then someone he only listens to a single media outlet.
Forgive me, but I have difficulty deciphering your gibberish.
 

26 X World Champs

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Mar 6, 2005
Messages
7,536
Reaction score
429
Location
Upper West Side of Manhattan (10024)
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Liberal
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Fantasea said:
Forgive me, but I have difficulty deciphering your gibberish.
There's no forgiving all the lies you've posted on these boards....Tell us again about how all Iraqi men wear turbans? Remember when you posted that? Or that it's quite common for 12 ounce preemies to "thrive".

For you to write that you can't read someone's "gibberish" is like Bush claiming to be an Environmentalist. You have distinguished yourself here as the least likely person to tell the truth! You're #1
:surrender
 

Rhadamanthus

Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2004
Messages
186
Reaction score
2
Location
Alaska
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Montalban said:
The media is heavily controlled by a very few.

Even the 'idependent' media outlets often still rely on sponsorship through advertisements.

The interdependence of captialism makes this so.

That is true in many cases. Especialy large TV news corporations.

But do all the sponsors have a say in what will be aired by new organizations? Does the Katherin T. McArthur foundation tell NPR what they can and can't air? I don't believe so but if you know please tell me.
 

Montalban

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2005
Messages
395
Reaction score
0
Location
Sydney
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Rhadamanthus said:
That is true in many cases. Especialy large TV news corporations.

But do all the sponsors have a say in what will be aired by new organizations? Does the Katherin T. McArthur foundation tell NPR what they can and can't air? I don't believe so but if you know please tell me.
I've no idea who/what either of these 'examples' are.

However I know that Marxist theory would state that the inter-dependence of the control of these outlets is a persuasive force against change.
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Rhadamanthus said:
That is true in many cases. Especialy large TV news corporations.

But do all the sponsors have a say in what will be aired by new organizations? Does the Katherin T. McArthur foundation tell NPR what they can and can't air? I don't believe so but if you know please tell me.
Having been quite dead these many years, John D. and Katherine T. MacArthur have no control over what PBS chooses to air with the money it receives through the bequest from the foundation they established.

Who knows, perhaps overtly capitalist Jack and Kate were just a couple of closet liberals after all. Or, perhaps they are spinning in their graves.

;)
 

Montalban

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2005
Messages
395
Reaction score
0
Location
Sydney
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Fantasea said:
Having been quite dead these many years, John D. and Katherine T. MacArthur have no control over what PBS chooses to air with the money it receives through the bequest from the foundation they established.

Who knows, perhaps overtly capitalist Jack and Kate were just a couple of closet liberals after all. Or, perhaps they are spinning in their graves.

;)
What's PBS?

I know that from reading "No Logo" by Naomi Klein, and seeing documentaries such as "The Corporation" (in which she and Michael Moore appear), as well as studying the interdependence of the vested interests of the state, that there is only some little 'freedom' of the press to express views.
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Montalban[QUOTE said:
]Originally Posted by Fantasea
Having been quite dead these many years, John D. and Katherine T. MacArthur have no control over what PBS chooses to air with the money it receives through the bequest from the foundation they established.

Who knows, perhaps overtly capitalist Jack and Kate were just a couple of closet liberals after all. Or, perhaps they are spinning in their graves.
What's PBS?[/quote]PBS is the Public Broadcasting Service. It's the TV equivilent of NPR, National Public Radio.
I know that from reading "No Logo" by Naomi Klein, and seeing documentaries such as "The Corporation" (in which she and Michael Moore appear), as well as studying the interdependence of the vested interests of the state, that there is only some little 'freedom' of the press to express views.
You are mistaken. In the US, the freedom of the press to express views is unlimited.
 

Montalban

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2005
Messages
395
Reaction score
0
Location
Sydney
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Fantasea said:
PBS is the Public Broadcasting Service. It's the TV equivilent of NPR, National Public Radio.
Ta
Fantasea said:
You are mistaken. In the US, the freedom of the press to express views is unlimited.
As to a 'freedom of the press', you mean 'in theory', and even then it's limited by 'national security', slander etc.

It is more 'free' than say in North Korea, but vested interests are at work.
 

Fantasea

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 14, 2004
Messages
3,692
Reaction score
8
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Montalban said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
You are mistaken. In the US, the freedom of the press to express views is unlimited.
As to a 'freedom of the press', you mean 'in theory', and even then it's limited by 'national security', slander etc.

It is more 'free' than say in North Korea, but vested interests are at work.
If that were true, how could the stories of Abu Ghraib and the so-called desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay be so widely circulated by every US media outlet? How could the incessant criticism of the president and the administration be permited to continue?

There is no governmental restraint on the media.
 

Montalban

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2005
Messages
395
Reaction score
0
Location
Sydney
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

Fantasea said:
Montalban said:
Quote:
If that were true, how could the stories of Abu Ghraib and the so-called desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay be so widely circulated by every US media outlet? How could the incessant criticism of the president and the administration be permited to continue?

There is no governmental restraint on the media.

The fact that shards of light do occassionally get through does not mean we're able to bask in sunlight.

You propose the argument that allows the media controllers to get away with what they do... because they would argue that their influence is not all pervasive exactly because of the few exceptions you're likely to cite
 

jds right

New member
Joined
Jun 11, 2005
Messages
5
Reaction score
0
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

What bothers me most about Islamic Terrorists is the lack of widespread outrage among Muslims at the actions of these cowards. And that is exactly what terrorists are, cowards. They haven't the courage to put their beliefs forward in the free market of ideas, they resort to brutality against the defensless, and that is cowardice.

I constantly hear that Islam is a religon of peace, yet we see very little protest in the Muslim community to the actions of the terrorists.
 

slim

Member
Joined
May 30, 2005
Messages
65
Reaction score
0
Location
Rochester, Kent UK
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

One possible cause why there is no widespread outrage is because many muslims live in oppressive regimes where their actions and words are recorded by secret police and informers. In such an environment it would be dangerous to slander terrorists like Bin Laden who are friends with the Saudi Royal family.
 

Montalban

Active member
Joined
Apr 30, 2005
Messages
395
Reaction score
0
Location
Sydney
Re: Not all Musulims are TERRORIEST BUT ?

slim said:
One possible cause why there is no widespread outrage is because many muslims live in oppressive regimes where their actions and words are recorded by secret police and informers. In such an environment it would be dangerous to slander terrorists like Bin Laden who are friends with the Saudi Royal family.

Even from Muslims in western nations there's no wave of revulsion (there are some exceptions, granted).
 
Top Bottom