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Norwegian Woman Videotaped Being Beheaded by Muslim Men had Shared Multicultural Video Online

~ Shows just how desperate you have to be to uphold your stupid narrative, while further embarrassing yourself in the process.

We'll be shamelessly told in another thread that Moroccans have to be muslims and apostasy isn't allowed.
 
Yes because only women were on those pictures, in fact if I believe you all those women were from the women's liberation movement in Morocco. Which is of course nonsense.

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Because this picture shows loads of MEN at the vigil for these girls outside the embassy. It is you who are projection your dislike of all people Islamic on this discussions, again.

As I've already explained, a few hundred Moroccans attended the vigil, out of a country whose population is roughly 35 million. I don't see a great significance in a few hundred, some of whom belong to a women's liberation movement, attending a vigil. Remember, the terrorist who killed 85 people in Nice, France was Moroccan, and had connections to ISIL in Morocco. The country has an issue with radicalism.
 
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Oh spare us.

You might as well say that a Nazi that isn't a Klan member is not a Nazi.

There are twice as many members of Lehava then there are KKK members. This in spite of the fact that the USA has 44x the population of Israel. As you can see, any ethnicity may embrace Nazi-like beliefs today.
 
Except it is not an unproven theory, it is a very proven theory. The province I live in and my mother was living in as a child (a mere 70 years ago) was a very catholic area of the Netherlands. It was an area that was socially regressed, academically challenged and oppressive. When family members of my grandmother were house swapping they had to be told to not allow their children to walk around in pants, they were warned to at all times have a skirt over the pants or they would be fined. It was an area where processions still were the norm. If the procession came through your street you'd better kneel for the statue of Christ, my mother was forcibly pushed to the ground if she did not kneel/bow down to the procession. As an atheist she could not get many jobs because being catholic was still a mandatory thing.

It only matured in Area's where Christianity ruled was when the genie was no longer possible to be put back into the bottle and even then churches made investigations difficult and many people did not believe them for one second because their priest/church leader told them it was heresy and lies. Only when actual schooling because the norm for children, at that moment did the academic knowledge come into the public domain and did academia start to advance faster and faster.

Inventions made that academic field advanced faster and faster because it was not only education but also the great inventions of radio and television bring science and knowledge into the houses of people, they no longer had to depend on their priest to inform them about society and academic advancements.

Hence in areas where Christianity is highly believed in as in the middle of the 19th/end of the 19th century and they live without education/television etc. etc. it is still the area where there are no great academic advances because no child goes to a higher education except maybe farming school, children still drop out when they are old enough to work the fields or go to work in general because they do not believe in education/academia/modern inventions. In those areas they will still refuse to even use medical advancements as vaccines because that is not in accordance with what their church tells them.

So even we have areas where all those things you accuse Muslims of when it comes to social and academic advances is falling far behind. And as stated before the enlightenment movement started here centuries ago, in Muslim countries it has not been 20 years since that started, the same goes for other societies removed from modern life in Africa, Asia and South America. We cannot just expect backward countries/societies to move to our level of advancement in social and other fields in the matter of a few years (for a process that took us centuries).



I do not apologize for anything, I just also do not have irrational hatred and do not blame all Muslims for the crimes of a minority.

The PEW study showed that there are only a few countries where this view is very prevalent with more than 10%. In most Muslim countries it is far below 10%. There are countries where it is seen as acceptable but those are not stable countries, countries like Palestinian authority, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Kosovo, Turkey, Kyrgyzstan, Tunisia, Jordan and those are countries in which the reasons for suicide bombings are also nationally based on top of religiously based. Some of those countries are unstable, countries that are in what they see as a struggle for survival or where it is internal Islamic groups that use those terrorist weapons against each other.

However if 90% of Muslims on average state it is never allowed to use immoral weapons to "defend" their religion you can hardly claim it is the norm for people to feel this way.

And there have been Muslims living in Europe for decades and only when terrorist organizations started sending people like that to Europe did this problem start. But those are mostly lone wolves or small groups.

Do you not think there are Westerners who have extreme views for the defense of their faith/culture/nationality/country/religious group? Maybe that number is much higher in Muslim countries but as stated before, these countries are living mostly in the dark ages compared to "us".

Word salad. And you declared that ardently Christian areas suffer today from a lack of television? :doh I don't know what to make of this Peter. Television has helped dumb down the masses here in the USA.
 
We'll be shamelessly told in another thread that Moroccans have to be muslims and apostasy isn't allowed.

A few hundred people out of a country of 35 million attended a vigil for the two butchered European girls, hence Moroccans overwhelmingly offered condolences and solidarity with the women. Right?
 
There are twice as many members of Lehava then there are KKK members. This in spite of the fact that the USA has 44x the population of Israel. As you can see, any ethnicity may embrace Nazi-like beliefs today.
Ah yes, the weekend.

Some it can cause to completely confuse threads.

:lol:
 
Ah yes, the weekend.

Some it can cause to completely confuse threads.

:lol:

It's Shabbat no less. You should be paying a shabbos goy to post for you. Maybe he'll be able to make better arguments! :mrgreen:
 
As I've already explained, a few hundred Moroccans attended the vigil, out of a country whose population is roughly 35 million. I don't see a great significance in a few hundred, some of whom belong to a women's liberation movement, attending a vigil. Remember, the terrorist who killed 85 people in Nice, France was Moroccan, and had connections to ISIL in Morocco. The country has an issue with radicalism.

And complain complain complain. When someone is killed and a vigil is had, usually only a few hundred people show up. It isn't a mass demonstration, it is a vigil.

And yes, of course it has an issue with extremism. It lies in a region where the respect for human rights thing is brand new. As said before, it will take time, we cannot expect things to change in a flash because that is not how the world works, change takes time.
 
Word salad. And you declared that ardently Christian areas suffer today from a lack of television? :doh I don't know what to make of this Peter. Television has helped dumb down the masses here in the USA.

Before reality TV (for which we as the Dutch apologize, we played a dark role in that) and mindless entertainment because the world is already very difficult. People actually watched informative stuff and actual news shows. Other views were being opinionated on Television other than that of the 2 main churches in the Netherlands. Whole TV networks with their own identity informed and delighted us. At least that is how it worked in my country.

But still, people get introduced to new ideas and new people through radio, television and now the internet.

And yes, without television, education, radio, internet, modern society civilizations and people lack the propensity to grow and evolve, heck in some parts they would actually devolve IMHO. There is no growth and discovery if you denounce modern day and progress so absolutely that you would refuse to take medications to save your life because your faith tells you medication is BAD for you.

Do you think there is a lot of growth and discovery in the Amish people? In some societies kids are actively taken out of school because they don't need an education or growth. Boys are expected to be laborers and girls are expected to pop out babies and keep the house clean. Working outside of the house is close to a disgrace for women. And yes I am talking about travelers. Now if they want to live like that then so be it. But education and growth is what makes inventions and great discoveries possible. Is a traveler ever going to find a cure for a serious disease? ?No, even if one is smart they are taken out of school before they had the ability to grow into someone that could make great changes to society as a whole.

The same goes for Muslims in the countries where education and growth is not only frowned upon it is actively (and sometimes violently) discouraged.
 
It's Shabbat no less. You should be paying a shabbos goy to post for you. Maybe he'll be able to make better arguments! :mrgreen:
Yup, weekend all right.

Definitely.

Affects a choice few more than most others.:lol:
 
And complain complain complain. When someone is killed and a vigil is had, usually only a few hundred people show up. It isn't a mass demonstration, it is a vigil.

And yes, of course it has an issue with extremism. It lies in a region where the respect for human rights thing is brand new. As said before, it will take time, we cannot expect things to change in a flash because that is not how the world works, change takes time.

So how many years will if take for Islamic countries like Morocco to catch up with the rest of the world in terms of modernity? 10 years? 100 years? 1,000 years?

Meanwhile, the UN has made it clear that they want more migration from Africa & the Mideast into Europe. I guess you expect Europeans to wait patiently for the barbarism mentality of many Muslims to evolve into modern European attitudes.
 
Before reality TV (for which we as the Dutch apologize, we played a dark role in that) and mindless entertainment because the world is already very difficult. People actually watched informative stuff and actual news shows. Other views were being opinionated on Television other than that of the 2 main churches in the Netherlands. Whole TV networks with their own identity informed and delighted us. At least that is how it worked in my country.

But still, people get introduced to new ideas and new people through radio, television and now the internet.

And yes, without television, education, radio, internet, modern society civilizations and people lack the propensity to grow and evolve, heck in some parts they would actually devolve IMHO. There is no growth and discovery if you denounce modern day and progress so absolutely that you would refuse to take medications to save your life because your faith tells you medication is BAD for you.

Do you think there is a lot of growth and discovery in the Amish people? In some societies kids are actively taken out of school because they don't need an education or growth. Boys are expected to be laborers and girls are expected to pop out babies and keep the house clean. Working outside of the house is close to a disgrace for women. And yes I am talking about travelers. Now if they want to live like that then so be it. But education and growth is what makes inventions and great discoveries possible. Is a traveler ever going to find a cure for a serious disease? ?No, even if one is smart they are taken out of school before they had the ability to grow into someone that could make great changes to society as a whole.

The same goes for Muslims in the countries where education and growth is not only frowned upon it is actively (and sometimes violently) discouraged.

The increased availability of information has its negatives too. Suicide is now one of the top ten causes of death in the USA, and I can't help but wonder what role technology has played in that. You mention the seemingly dull lifestyle of the Amish, but they aren't offing themselves, AFAIK. The whole of Western societies should be seriously addressing the path we are on, and who put us in this predicament. Such as why Americans are over medicated, dealing with obesity, and suicide? A useless glut of information isn't bettering the lives of those who fit into one or more of those categories.

But greed & materialism has supplanted Christianity as the unofficial/official religion in the USA and Europe. The process by which the USA has morphed into a consumer state owes much to the internet, and television. Average people do not realize that advertising companies spend millions of dollars per year studying how best to invade the psyche of consumers with their messaging.

The most important things in life, as far as I can gather, are contentment and happiness. Not knowledge. The happiest city/town on earth is in Finland, and it's inhabitants live fairly simple, yet connected lifes. If possessing knowledge was really the way to achieve wellbeing, you'd expect Silicon Valley to be the happiest place on earth. I live near Silicon Valley, and trust me, it is not.

I'm not making an argument here against education, far from it. The USA tested higher in STEM subjects, and IQ in general, 50-60 years ago, when suicide rates, obesity, etc were much lower. And the internet wasn't an option for educating people back then.
 
~...................The most important things in life, as far as I can gather, are contentment and happiness. Not knowledge.
Contrary to popular opinion, ignorance is NOT bliss. But the quality of knowledge depends very much on the nature it is made of.
The happiest city/town on earth is in Finland, and it's inhabitants live fairly simple, yet connected lifes.
The inhabitants of Finland have probably the most advanced (furthest spread) access to the internet, all the way up to the Arctic. It's by now pretty hard to go places that don't have cell coverage. In speed it ranks 6th place (before the US at 10th and far ahead of most other European countries, only bested by Norway and Sweden).
If possessing knowledge was really the way to achieve wellbeing, you'd expect Silicon Valley to be the happiest place on earth. I live near Silicon Valley, and trust me, it is not.
It's really a matter of what any knowledge is made of and that would depend on the capacity to disseminate what is useful and what is not, so as to possess a broad scope of the former.

Silicon Valley is specialised and that means the knowledge there is a mono-culture. That's perfectly apt if one pursues everything solely related to hi-tech questions but, seeing how that pursuit is of necessity a 24/7/365 venture, it leaves little to no room for anything else.

Beyond all of which knowing stuff does not equate to wisdom, using one's noggin to think on what one knows may however lead towards it. And that latter bit requires critical thinking, something the internet cannot teach anyone.

Education, if it's of good quality, can.

And Finland has one of the best education systems in the world.
 
So how many years will if take for Islamic countries like Morocco to catch up with the rest of the world in terms of modernity? 10 years? 100 years? 1,000 years?

Meanwhile, the UN has made it clear that they want more migration from Africa & the Mideast into Europe. I guess you expect Europeans to wait patiently for the barbarism mentality of many Muslims to evolve into modern European attitudes.

Well it will most likely go a hell of a lot faster than we took to become more agreeable and less barbaric.

The UN wants to solve the refugee crisis, it is not migration when you are a refugee IMHO. And many Muslim refugees are not barbaric, that is your twisted view on Muslim, will they need time to adept. Yup, but I do not want Europe to wait but to actively educate.
 
The increased availability of information has its negatives too. Suicide is now one of the top ten causes of death in the USA, and I can't help but wonder what role technology has played in that. You mention the seemingly dull lifestyle of the Amish, but they aren't offing themselves, AFAIK. The whole of Western societies should be seriously addressing the path we are on, and who put us in this predicament. Such as why Americans are over medicated, dealing with obesity, and suicide? A useless glut of information isn't bettering the lives of those who fit into one or more of those categories.

But greed & materialism has supplanted Christianity as the unofficial/official religion in the USA and Europe. The process by which the USA has morphed into a consumer state owes much to the internet, and television. Average people do not realize that advertising companies spend millions of dollars per year studying how best to invade the psyche of consumers with their messaging.

The most important things in life, as far as I can gather, are contentment and happiness. Not knowledge. The happiest city/town on earth is in Finland, and it's inhabitants live fairly simple, yet connected lifes. If possessing knowledge was really the way to achieve wellbeing, you'd expect Silicon Valley to be the happiest place on earth. I live near Silicon Valley, and trust me, it is not.

I'm not making an argument here against education, far from it. The USA tested higher in STEM subjects, and IQ in general, 50-60 years ago, when suicide rates, obesity, etc were much lower. And the internet wasn't an option for educating people back then.

Obesity is a modern day disease that started with unhealthy food options and people being asked to move/exercise a lot less on a daily basis due to more cars on the road, more seated jobs and more snack foods delivered to the comfort of your home without having to even walk to the store/restaurant.

I am unsure/doubtful that increased availability of information has much to do with suicide. It is the faster pace of life, combined with stupid things like online bullying, etc. etc. that may have had an impact on that but whether information had much to do with growing rates of suicide to me sound dubious.

And Amish might not be offing themselves but at what cost? If the entire planet went to live like that again our standard of living and our life expectancy would plummet.

And greed and materialism has not supplanted any religion. Religious people are greedy and materialistic. Officially they still proclaim that religion but as always greed is eternal.

Also, the reason why city/town on earth is in Finland is because of the nature and history of that country. Unlike the US they are not infested with eternal greed and greedy corporations. And there are many reasons for the happiness of Finnish people, good work life balance, universal health care, enough spending on social safety net, beautiful country, good education, not a lot of mega cities, etc. etc. etc.
 
Contrary to popular opinion, ignorance is NOT bliss. But the quality of knowledge depends very much on the nature it is made of. The inhabitants of Finland have probably the most advanced (furthest spread) access to the internet, all the way up to the Arctic. It's by now pretty hard to go places that don't have cell coverage. In speed it ranks 6th place (before the US at 10th and far ahead of most other European countries, only bested by Norway and Sweden).It's really a matter of what any knowledge is made of and that would depend on the capacity to disseminate what is useful and what is not, so as to possess a broad scope of the former.


Huh? https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2018/05/the-netherlands-leads-europe-in-internet-access

Finland might be good but to claim only Sweden and Norway are better in Europe sounds a bit strange.

But you are right, it is especially what is being put to the public of a country that will make or break them. And in Finland I am sure the country is not obsessed with Kim and Lame-ye or the rest of their Kardashian numskull lot.
 
A few hundred people out of a country of 35 million attended a vigil for the two butchered European girls, hence Moroccans overwhelmingly offered condolences and solidarity with the women. Right?

Next time you try to prove a point regarding muslims doing anything in any example - just be more specific. You could try "I want to see the whole country - every single muslim - wearing full islamic gear (a hijab or burka on every woman, men with full beard, kaftan and sandals) holding the koran and protesting against murderers in their midst" I promise not to ask for a similar example of protests in a christian country when a westerner murders another person.

Otherwise, you have had your question answered and all you are doing (yet again) is embarrassing yourself.
 
Obesity is a modern day disease that started with unhealthy food options and people being asked to move/exercise a lot less on a daily basis due to more cars on the road, more seated jobs and more snack foods delivered to the comfort of your home without having to even walk to the store/restaurant.

Major corporations are behind the push to replace natural, healthy foods with processed, nutrient-lacking junk food. The price of good meat and fresh produce have risen dramatically, while fast food burgers and soda drinks have haven't. I can recommend a documentary to watch on the subject if you like, although you probably already know the facts of what has occurred.

I am unsure/doubtful that increased availability of information has much to do with suicide. It is the faster pace of life, combined with stupid things like online bullying, etc. etc. that may have had an impact on that but whether information had much to do with growing rates of suicide to me sound dubious.

And Amish might not be offing themselves but at what cost? If the entire planet went to live like that again our standard of living and our life expectancy would plummet.

The Amish aren't offing themselves, yet women who work in the media are:

"For women, suicide rates were highest among those who work in arts, design, entertainment, sports and media."

The media are the ones hurling negative information at us constantly.

Don't worry Peter, the world is converting to Islam, not Amish lifestyles.

And greed and materialism has not supplanted any religion. Religious people are greedy and materialistic. Officially they still proclaim that religion but as always greed is eternal.

Also, the reason why city/town on earth is in Finland is because of the nature and history of that country. Unlike the US they are not infested with eternal greed and greedy corporations. And there are many reasons for the happiness of Finnish people, good work life balance, universal health care, enough spending on social safety net, beautiful country, good education, not a lot of mega cities, etc. etc. etc.

They haven't been mind ****ed yet by the tribalist purveyors of media, Hollywood, pornography, and the diversity gospel. They are some of the last Europeans to exist freely in a mostly homogeneous, productive and peaceful society.

The happiest countries are Finland, Iceland and Norway. It's not remotely difficult to focus out why.
 
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