No we weren't, wrong thread. We were talking about the wisdom of Mexico openning the management of it oil fields to all comers. You tried to shoehorn the crystal ball expense of climate change, specifically AGW, into the equation. And that last is silly to the extreme, BOTH parties are funded by big oil and gas.
No the massive debt is the consequence of millions of idiots equating empty plattitudes to Presidential qualifications in 2008 and 2012.
A 5 year long " recovery as unemploymet benefits and disabillity benefits along with medicare cost have doubled.
Nwxt time don't re-elect a President who's obe jobs iniative was a green jobs venture that wasted BILLIONS and created no jobs.
Do you think so? I thought the plant zones have moved in the last 20 years.That's just silly, the Earth doesn't "adapt", it's geologically active and constantly changing. The adaption to the changing earth plants and animals experience takes many, many, many generations (naturally). Most likely the species involved will just go extinct or fall to a foote.
Mexico is just waiting for a US collapse so they can invade us...
They're not our friends and have never been- they're just bitter losers.
Instability at the border is good for America? Get serious and call me when you've been paying attention to the last 6 years.
Do you think so? I thought the plant zones have moved in the last 20 years.
Long Overdue Plant Hardiness Map is a Hothouse | Mother Jones
No, not in the way you are using the term. Biological adaptation has a meaning I don't think you get. Try this:
Adaptation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maybe because that IS a natural process. It happenned before man came along and once man got here. Again, nothing unnatural or purely manmade about those dead zones.
You responded to my response to Fenton
How is the expense of climate change silly as being part of the equation??? If not for that then we might as well use all the fossil fuels we can get ahold of. Vehicles burn cleaner than ever so pollution isn't as much of a problem. Coal is still horrible to try and make cleaner. None of this matters though compared to climate change...
Funny how I said adaptation and you said biological adaptation - which is speaking out both sides of ones face just using wacko PC language to do such - to separate the ideas.
Wicki can justify just about every argument.
Kudos to you tho for even going to a source instead of an op-ed piece in an attempt to justify your position.
Funny how I said adaptation and you said biological adaptation - which is speaking out both sides of ones face just using wacko PC language to do such - to separate the ideas.
Wicki can justify just about every argument.
Kudos to you tho for even going to a source instead of an op-ed piece in an attempt to justify your position.
Mexico's oil workers gather at the Plaza of Wailing to bemoan corruption and unpaid wages | World news | Guardian Weekly
You simply have no idea what it is you're talking about. Mexican oil workers are at the forefront of people worried by this new development. They are also some of the most abused in the country when it comes to wages and rights. They are not paid 500% more than the average worker in Mexico. That's an assinine comment to make in a country where no mimimum wage is established. Mexico is a country where someone can make from 3 dollars an hour to 70,000 a month by being a local politician. So how did you come up with the 500% figure? You made it up or got it from some oil company website.
I live near the border, this is bad news for many communities on both sides of that border.
Notice the link isn't to "biological adaption" but "adaption". I added the biological so you might understand you were misusing the word in the context of the discussion. Thus far you have demonstrated that you don't understand my position.
My apologies.
It's extremely silly because the baisc truth is climate is ALWAYS changing, the planet we live on is geologically active and ALWAYS changing. It was that way before man and will be that way after. Like arguing Mexico shouldn't open it's leases to the outside because there is air.
Climate change is a basic fact of life on this planet.
I'm not misusing adaptation - you are...
You're attempting to claim Geo is not living...
the problem is that the process of adaptation takes time on a scale of hundreds of thousands of years.
the nitroen cycle is natural, but what is not natural is the amount of nitrogen that is created by humans, mainly in the form of synthetic fertilizer. Farmers love the synthetic stuff, and use far more synthetic fertilizer than organic fertilizers such as manure and compost. all that ferilizer is chockfull of excess nitrogen, and some of this excess material eventually makes it to the ocean. that is where the trouble begins.
all that excess nitrogen causes water to become polluted and it starts a massive growth of algae and phytoplankton, which feed on the nitrogen. this growth creates a greater demand for biochemical oxygen, a demand so great that it consumes the supply of oxygen in that region of water, which is now a dead zone.
human activity, in this case farmers using vast amounts of artificial fertilizers on their farms, had a impact on causing a natural process, the nitrogen cycle, to go overboard and cause damage to the environment.
the biosphere is what lives.
you are thinking about the Lithosphere since you brought up plate tectonics.
I'm not misusing adaptation - you are...
You're attempting to claim Geo is not living...
Wait, I thought you said that this abuse already happens?
Besides, if US companies were getting busy in Mexico making investments, I'd imagine that they would want to be safe from said cartels. Like it or not, that may be an avenue for the US government to assist Mexico in its local cartel war.
Indeed, and I understand the the pros and cons of the Faber process. However, that is not the only cause of dead zones, nor where it is the cause, is it always manmade fertilizers at fault. My point is that dead zones are a natural phenomenon. Where they are strictly man caused, we should and do take efforts to lessen their impact.
Indeed, and I understand the the pros and cons of the Faber process. However, that is not the only cause of dead zones, nor where it is the cause, is it always manmade fertilizers at fault. My point is that dead zones are a natural phenomenon. Where they are strictly man caused, we should and do take efforts to lessen their impact.
If you believe that geology is the study of living things you need more than one refresher course to get back up to speed. :lamo
PEMEX employees are some of the highest paid blue collar workers in Mexico. If the wages are filtering down to the actual workers, blame the corrupt union down there.
I never said replace, I said transition. And what makes you so sure? Do you have scientific proof its impossible? What are we going to do when we run out of oil? Humanity will mostly be wiped out because its impossible to do anything else sustainably?
That is utterly ridiculous.
EDIT: An example since you said ethanol has not been proven to be sustainable. No its not perfect but it is one tool in the toolbox and can work for certain regions. Alternative energy success is an integrated solution that involves many different sources and technologies. They all add up to create a significant benefit in the long run.
Ethanol fuel in Brazil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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